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    Media reveal damning truth about identity of polemic filmmaker amid growing protest against the controversial movie in Muslim world



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    Nakoula Basseley Nakoula claims role in 'Innocence of Muslims'


    Angry demonstrations against an anti-Islam film spread to their widest extent yet around the Middle East and other Muslim countries in Africa Friday, Associated Press—the global renown news agency reported.
    But as the demonstrations grow, major US media including the Newsweek Magazine yesterday revealed the background of the man behind the controversial film, Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, calling him a petty criminal, meth cooker, drug-addict and a man who likes easy money to bankroll his lavish lifestyle.
    According to Associated Press(AP), protesters smashed into the German Embassy in the Sudanese capital and set part of it on fire and climbed the walls of the U.S. Embassy in Tunis, waving an Islamist banner.
    However a quick survey conducted by the Guardian established that as the Middle East and North Africa continued to record more demonstrations, East African region remained calm even after the Friday prayers.
    From Nairobi, Kenyan Muslim leaders yesterday demanded an apology from the US President Barack Obama over a video they say insulted Islam.
    The leaders said the video, posted on Youtube by an individual in the US but yet to be clearly identified, that portrayed Prophet Mohammed as immoral was offensive and unacceptable.
    The leaders said the video was provocative and “a pure recipe for religious disharmony”.
    The joint-statement by the Jamia Mosque Community, the Supreme Council of Kenya Muslims, the National Muslim Leaders Forum and the National Council of Muslim Scholars condemned the “blasphemous” film adding that it depicted Muslims as immoral.
    “It is shocking that a film could be acted, edited, promoted and funded in the USA, a country that claims to be the champion of respect for fundamental rights,” said the leaders in a statement read by Sheikh Ibrahim Lethome.
    One protester was killed in the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli in clashes with security forces, after a crowd of protesters set fire to a KFC and an Arby's restaurant. Protesters hurled stones and glass at police in a furious melee that left 25 people wounded, 18 of them police.
    Protests were held in cities from Tunisia to Pakistan after weekly Friday Muslim prayers, where many clerics in their mosque sermons called on congregations to defend their faith, denouncing obscure movie produced in the United States that denigrated the Prophet Muhammad.
    The numbers were not huge — in most places, only a few hundred took to the streets, mostly ultraconservative Islamists — but the mood was often furious. The spread of protests comes after attacks earlier this week on the U.S. Embassies in Cairo and the Yemeni capital Sanaa and on a U.S. consulate in Libya, where the ambassador and three other Americans were killed.
    After standing aside earlier this week in the face of protesters, security forces in Yemen and Egypt fired tear gas and clashed with protesters Friday to keep them away from U.S. embassies.
    Egypt's Islamist president, Mohammed Morsi, went on state TV and urged Muslims to protect foreign diplomatic missions — his first direct public move to contain protests.
    "It is required by our religion to protect our guests and their homes and places of work," he said. He also condemned the killing of the American ambassador in Libya, saying it was unacceptable in Islam. "To God, attacking a person is bigger than an attack on the Kaaba," he said, referring to Islam's holiest site in Mecca.
    Ahead of the expected wave of protests on Friday — a tradition day for rallies in the Islamic world — U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton delivered an explicit denunciation of the anti-Muhammad video, aiming to pre-empt further turmoil at its embassies and consulates.
    "To us, to me personally, this video is disgusting and reprehensible," Clinton said. "It appears to have a deeply cynical purpose: to denigrate a great religion and to provoke rage."
    Nonetheless, protests in several places attempted to move on American diplomatic missions — and other Western countries were pulled into the dispute.
    Several thousand demonstrators protested outside the US embassy in Tunis and battled with security forces, throwing stones as police fired volleys of tear gas and shot in the air. Some protesters scaled the embassy wall and stood on top of it, planting a black flag with the Islamic profession of faith, "There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet."
    Police chased them off the wall and took the flag down.
    In Sudan, a prominent sheik on state radio urged protesters to march on the German Embassy to protest alleged anti-Muslim graffiti on mosques in Berlin and then to the U.S. Embassy to protest the film.
    "America has long been an enemy to Islam and to Sudan," Sheik Mohammed Jizouly said.
    Soon after, several hundred Sudanese stormed into the German Embassy, burning a car parked behind its gates and setting fire to trash cans. Protesters danced and celebrated around the burning barrels as palls of black smoke billowed into the sky.
    Part of the embassy building was also in flames, German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle told reporters in Berlin. "Fortunately... the employees are safe," he said.
    Police firing tear gas drove the protesters out of the compound. Some then began to demonstrate outside the neighboring British Embassy, shouting slogans, while others left, apparently heading to the American Embassy, which is outside of the capital.
    In east Jerusalem, Israeli police stopped a crowd of around 400 Palestinians from marching on the U.S. consulate to protest the film. Demonstrators threw bottles and stones at police, who responded by firing stun grenades. Four protesters were arrested.
    Security forces in Yemen shot live rounds in the air and fired tear gas at a crowd of around 2,000 protesters trying to march to the U.S. Embassy in the capital, Sanaa.
    Though outnumbered by protesters, security forces were able to keep the crowd about a block away from the mission.
    A day earlier, hundreds of protesters chanting "death to America" stormed the embassy compound in Sanaa and burned the American flag. The embassy said nobody was harmed.
    Yemen's president, Abed Rabbo Mansour Hadi, quickly apologized to the United States and vowed to track down the culprits.
    In Egypt, several hundred people, mainly ultraconversatives, protested in Cairo's Tahrir Square after weekly Muslim Friday prayers and tore up an American flag, waving a black, Islamist flag.
    A firebrand ultraconservative Salafi cleric blasted the film and in his sermon in Cairo's Tahrir Square said it was upon Muslims to defend Islam and its prophet.
    Many in the crowd then moved to join protesters who have been clashing for several days with police between Tahrir and the U.S. Embassy. "With our soul, our blood, we will avenge you, our Prophet," they chanted as police fired volleys of tear gas.
    Ahead of the clashes, the president spoke for more than seven minutes on state TV, saying, "It is required by our religion to protect our guests and their homes and places of work."
    "So I call on all to consider this, consider the law, and not attack embassies, consulates, diplomatic missions or Egyptian property that is private or public, " he said.
    He denounced the killing of the American ambassador in Libya. "This is something we reject and Islam rejects.
    His own Muslim Brotherhood group called for peaceful protests in Tahrir to denounce the film.
    A small, peaceful demonstration was held Friday outside the U.S. Embassy in the Malaysian capital, Kuala Lumpur.
    Hundreds of hardline Muslims held peaceful protests against the film throughout Pakistan, shouting slogans and carrying banners criticizing the U.S. and those involved in the film.
    Police in Islamabad set up barricades and razor wire to prevent protesters from getting to the diplomatic enclave, where the U.S. Embassy and many other foreign missions are located. Protests were also held in Karachi, Peshawar and Lahore, where protesters shouted "Down with America" and some burned the U.S. flag. About 200 policemen and barbed wire ringed the U.S. Consulate in Lahore.
    About 1,500 protest in the eastern city of Jalalabad, shouting "Death to America" and urge President Hamid Karzai to cut relations with the U.S.
    A prominent cleric in Indonesia urged Muslims there to remain calm despite their anger about the film. But Hizbut Tahrir Indonesia, a branch of the international network that advocates a worldwide Islamic state, on its website blamed the U.S. government for allowing the film to be produced and released, calling it "an act of barbarism that cannot go unpunished."
    Meanwhile, the airport in Benghazi, the city where Tuesday's attack on the consulate took place, was closed for several hours on Friday. An airport official said the closure was due to security concerns, and the airport re-opened in the afternoon.
    True identity of controversial man who angered Muslim world
    He’s set the Mideast ablaze with his anti-Muslim film trailer, but Nikoula Basseley Nakoula’s murky background shows that he was methamphetamine maker, a once drug-addict, a petty criminal, and above all an informant according to a detailed report published by the Newsweek Magazine yesterday.

    • When the police pulled Nikoula Basseley Nakoula over outside Los Angeles on March 27, 1997, he had $45,000 in hundreds and twenties in a paper lunch bag on the seat beside him.
    “Fifteen years would pass before Nakoula would become known as the man who helped set the Mideast afire with an anti-Muslim film trailer. On this night, though, he was the subject of a drug investigation, and the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department had been watching him as he drove a U-Haul rental truck from a storage facility in Downey to a Super 7 liquor store.” Newsweek Magazine wrote yesterday
    There, he picked up a liquor store employee named Khaled Abraham. They proceeded to Abraham’s house in Lake Elsinore.
    At the house, Nakoula and the others unloaded 30 boxes of pseudoephedrine, a prime ingredient of methamphetamine. Another 99 cases were found at the storage facility.
    After his arrest, Nakoula insisted he had only been doing the bidding of his employer, Mansour Barsoum, whom he described as the owner of a firm called ABC Trading. The police determined that the storage unit had indeed been rented under the name Barsoum, but the manager identified Nakoula as the person who actually had rented it.
    According to Newsweek’s report, the police were unable to find any trace of Mansour or ABC Trading, though Nakoula was discovered to have receipts from a Santa Monica firm called M&A for the purchase of some $150,000 of pseudoephedrine pills. The authorities also could not find a business license for M&A Trading, but a federal DEA agent were able to trace a lot number on a March 3, 1997 receipt to pills recovered at an illegal meth lab.
    Nakoula sought to explain his boss’s absence by saying, “Mansour had left for Egypt.” Nakoula’s lawyer subsequently produced a copy of an Egyptian passport for a man of that name, but the police do not seem to have been convinced.
    Nakoula nonetheless only spent just two days in jail, getting off with three years’ probation when he could have gotten hard time.
    “Sounds like he’s an informant,” observes a law enforcement official familiar such matters, though not with the particulars of this case.
    The bust came around the time the feds were launching Operation Mountain Express, which would become a huge investigation into pseudoephedrine-dealing involving numerous people of a Middle Eastern background. The authorities initially insisted there were no links to terrorism, but suddenly switched and decided that a chunk of the money was going to Hizbullah.
    “I’m satisfied that portions of the drug sales have moved back to the Middle East and portions of that are going to support terrorist organizations,” said then DEA Administrator Asa Hutchinson.
    According to the Newsweek Magazine, Nakoula’s lawyer is not returning phone calls or responding to emails, but it seems reasonable to wonder if Nakoula’s case was not part of this investigation. One question that bears asking is whether Nakoula helped persuade the feds that the drug money was going to Muslim extremists. He is a Coptic Christian.
    Meanwhile, the supposed employer, Mansour Barsoum, remained as much a mystery as the supposed movie producer Sam Bacile, whom Nakoula now insists was the man who actually made the incendiary anti-Muslim movie that aroused such fury in the Mideast. The authorities say they can find no trace of this man who purportedly triggered the murders of Americans in the U.S. consulate in Libya on the 11th anniversary of 9/11.
    Just as he said back in 1997 that he was only moving money and drugs for his boss, the now 54-year-old Nakoula is insisting he was just a functionary in the production of a film that seems intended to incite Muslim extremists to violence.
    As if to ensure continued fury, Nakoula has said the mysterious Sam Bacile is an Israeli Jew and that the film was financed by $5 million from Jewish backers. There are no laws against this, even when it results in the deaths of people who represent America’s very best, among them former SEAL Glen Doherty and U.S. Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens, whose mother flew from California to Washington yesterday to bring his body home. She is a retired symphony cellists and her son had always seemed to hear the music of the human heart even amidst gunfire.
    It may be possible for authorities to least arrest Nakoula for violating the terms of his probation following a subsequent, 2009 criminal case where he pleaded guilty to federal charges of identity theft and bank fraud so extensive as to require $794,700.57 in restitution. He was sentenced to a relatively lenient 21 months in prison, followed by five years’ probation, which among other things prohibits him from using computers or in any other way accessing the Internet without explicit permission.
    The YouTube movie trailer that set the Mideast ablaze was posted by someone identifying himself as Sam Bacile. The feds need only prove that the mysterious producer is in fact Nakoula, and they can toss him back in jail for four years.
    In the court file for the second case, Indictment CR09-00617, the records regarding the plea deal are sealed. That can be construed as another indication that Nakoula had previously been an informant. His lawyer is not responding to calls or emails regarding this, either.
    The actual charges remain public.
    According to Newsweek’s report, Nakoula engaged in what is known as “synthetic identify theft,” meaning he used real Social Security numbers but fake names to open a dizzying number of accounts at numerous banks. He had 14 accounts at Wells Fargo alone, shifting money from one to another to build up credit lines and then maxing them out. His many aliases ranged from Ahmad Hamdy to PJ Tobacco to Robert Bacily, which is not so very different from Sam Bacile. The one common denominator with the names was Nakoula’s face in the ATM’s camera when there was a withdrawal from the corresponding account.
    In searching his household garbage, postal inspectors found a WAMU gold credit card in the name of Nicola Bacily and a Bank of America platinum check card in the name of Kritbag Difrat. WAMU happened to have been his biggest creditor when he filed for bankruptcy in 2000, stating in papers at the time that he was a $2,800-a-month service employee with Mobil. The vehicles he now owned included a silver 4-door Mercedes that was actually registered in his name.
    A silver Mercedes was parked in the driveway of his suburban Cerritos home yesterday. He seems to be as fond of easy money as he is of lies and fake names. He does not immediately strike an observer as somebody who acts of out of principle more knowing than maybe hate.
    One fact established by Nakoula’s own admission is that a convicted drug dealing con man helped set in motion events that resulted in the death of people who were champions against religious intolerance and worked to make their names the realest of synonyms for goodness and truth.



    SOURCE: THE GUARDIAN

     
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    The real problem is a guy called Phophet Muhammad Ibn Abd'Allah (SAW), he invented a cult called Islam alias (It's Satan Living Among Men) which distort the mind of innocent Muslims. He must stand before court of justice to answer for the mischief he has brought to mankind for over 1400 years.
     
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    Mkuu, Run they are coming for you.
     
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    The Quran mentions the names of 25 Prophets and indicates that there were others. The majority of the Prophets mentioned in the Quran and the traditions of Prophet Muhammad are recognisable, and considered Prophets in both the Jewish and Christian faiths. For instance, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus, amongst many others, all figure prominently in the pages of Quran. Believing in all of God's Prophets and revealed Books are two of the pillars of faith in Islam. In fact of the three great monotheistic religions (Islam, Christianity and Judaism), Islam is the only one that gives the Prophets and Messengers a place of special significance. Disbelieving in one of the prophets is like disbelieving in all.
    Muslims accept the Torah and the (Injeel) Gospel of Jesus. However they also believe that these books were altered, or lost over the course of time. Consequently, from the texts of the previous scriptures, Muslims believe only what has been confirmed by the Quran or the authentic traditions of Prophet Muhammad. This is particular importance when applied to the Prophets of God.
    The Prophets and Messengers of God that we know about are all male. They are considered to be the best in their respective communities both morally and intellectually. However this is not always accepted by the community for some Prophets were rejected, oppressed and ridiculed. A Prophet's life however serves as a role model for his followers and potential followers and his personality attracts people to the message. They are infallible in conveying the commands and message of God, however since they are humans they may make minor mistakes or forget things.
     
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    Islam teaches us not to deify the Prophets and Messengers, for they are human. They are to be loved and respected, but no form of worship is to be directed towards them nor are they to be treated as demi-gods or intermediaries between humankind and God. Jesus, son of Mary can be used as an example of how prophethood can be taken to two extremes. The Jews rejected Jesus and refused to consider him to be the Messenger they had been waiting for. On the other hand the Christians raised him to divine heights that he was not entitled to.
    "And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: 'worship me and my mother as two gods besides God?' "He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden (and unseen)." (Quran 5:116)
    God supports His Prophets with miracles that are observable and cannot be performed by ordinarly people. These miracles are granted by the power and permission of God and serve as a sign for the people to recognize that these people have been chosen by God. For instance, at the time of Jesus, the Israelites were very knowledgeable in the field of medicine. Consequently, the miracles Jesus performed were of this nature and included returning sight to the blind, healing lepers and raising the dead.
    And you heal those born blind and the lepers by My[2] leave. And behold! You bring forth the dead by My leave." (Quran 5:10)
     
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    Islam teaches us not to deify the Prophets and Messengers, for they are human. They are to be loved and respected, but no form of worship is to be directed towards them nor are they to be treated as demi-gods or intermediaries between humankind and God. Jesus, son of Mary can be used as an example of how prophethood can be taken to two extremes. The Jews rejected Jesus and refused to consider him to be the Messenger they had been waiting for. On the other hand the Christians raised him to divine heights that he was not entitled to.
    "And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: 'worship me and my mother as two gods besides God?' "He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden (and unseen)." (Quran 5:116)
    God supports His Prophets with miracles that are observable and cannot be performed by ordinarly people. These miracles are granted by the power and permission of God and serve as a sign for the people to recognize that these people have been chosen by God. For instance, at the time of Jesus, the Israelites were very knowledgeable in the field of medicine. Consequently, the miracles Jesus performed were of this nature and included returning sight to the blind, healing lepers and raising the dead.
    And you heal those born blind and the lepers by My[2] leave. And behold! You bring forth the dead by My leave." (Quran 5:10)
     
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    The Prophets and Messengers are in a sense God's ambassadors on earth. Their mission is to convey the message clearly. This includes, calling the people to God, explaining the message, bringing glad tidings or warnings and directing the affairs of the nation. Prophet Muhammad is the final, or seal of the Prophets. There is no Prophet after him. His message is not for a particular group, tribe or nation; it is a message for all of humankind - it is for all people, in all places, at all times. Thus it is imperative to believe in Prophet Muhammad as the last of God's Prophets. This distinguishes Prophet Muhammad from the other Prophets and Messengers and puts him in a unique position; however Prophet Muhammad was just as anxious as all the Prophets to know that he had delivered the message clearly. During his final sermon Prophet Muhammad asked the congregation three times whether he had delivered the message, and called on God to witness their answer, which was a resounding "yes!"
    God sent the Prophets and Messengers primarily to guide humankind. They were humans, of outstanding character, pious and trustworthy, that the people could emulate and look to for direction. They were not gods, demi-gods or saints with divine qualities, rather they were mere mortals charged with a difficult task. God supported them as they carried out their mission and their mission was to guide the people to the worship of the One God.
     
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    utalipuliwa kijana
     
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    Your problem is that you think the same God who sent Jesus is the same one who sent Mohamed. I do not believe so. First the God who sent Jesus had 'an only begotten son' the one who sent Mohamed 'does not have a son' secondly the God who sent Jesus promised Abraham a son 'Isaac' the one who sent Mohamed promised Abraham a son 'Ishmael'. The Abraham of Jesus went and offered his son 'Isaac' to God and the Abraham of Mohamed went and offered his son 'Ishmael' to God. The God who sent Jesus would not tell the Muslims to kill in retaliation to what this movie maker has done, He would say 'forgive him for he knows not what he is doing and that whoever has no sin let him be the first to cast a stone. The God who sent Mohamed, we have seen the outcome of what he commands. So my conclusion based only on these few points and without going into more details concludes that we are talking of two different Gods, who have different characteristics and abilities and who teach their people very differently the ways of life on earth. That's why these are two different religions with different teachings. So decide this day which God you are going to serve and worship. My conclusion is based on two facts. That both the Bible and Qu'ran are infallible - have no error and the two Gods cannot lie.
     
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    ...........kwa hiyo Mungu ana mtoto wa kiume na wewe pia una mtoto wa kiume !?
    " Haiwi kwa Mwenyezi Mungu kufanya mtoto; Ametakasika. Anapolitaka jambo basi huliambia tu, kuwa; nalo likawa. Q:19:35.
    " Hakika amri yake anapotaka chochote ni kukiambia: Kuwa, basi mara Huwa !
    Ametukuka yule ambaye mkononi mwake umo ufalme wa kila kitu na kwake mtarejeshwa nyote T Q: 36: 82-83.
     
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    " God is the Creator of everything. He is the guardian over everything. Unto Him belong the keys of the heavens and the earth" (39:62-63).

    " No creature is there crawling on the earth, but its provision rests on God. He knows its lodging place and its repository" (11:16).
    If the Creator is Eternal and Everlasting, then His attributes must also be eternal and everlasting. He should not lose any of His attributes nor acquire new ones. If this is so, then his attributes are absolute. Can there be more than one Creator with such absolute attributes? Can there be, for example, two absolutely powerful Creators? A moment's thought shows that this is not feasible.

    The Qur'an summarizes this argument in the following verses:" God has not taken to Himself any son, nor is there any god with Him: for then each god would have taken of that which he created and some of them would have risen up over others" (23:91).

    " And why, were there gods in earth and heaven other than God, they (heaven and earth) would surely go to ruin" (21:22).



    The Qur'an reminds us of the falsity of all alleged gods. To the worshippers of man-made objects it asks:" Do you worship what you have carved yourself" (37:95). " Or have you taken unto yourself others beside Him to be your protectors, even such as have no power either for good or for harm to themselves" (13:16).

    To the worshippers of heavenly bodies it cites the story of Abraham:" When night outspread over him, he saw a star and said: This is my Lord. But when it set, he said: I love not the setters. When he saw the moon rising, he said: This is my Lord. But when it set, he said: If my Lord does not guide me, I shall surely be of the people gone astray. When he saw the sun rising, he said: This is my Lord; this is greater. But when it set, he said: O my people, surely I quit that which you associate, I have turned my face to Him who originated the heavens and the earth; a man of pure faith, I am not one of the idolators" (6:76-79).
    The Qur'an tries to promote this feeling of gratitude by repeating the attributes of God very frequently. We find most of these attributes mentioned together in the following verses of the Qur'an:" He is God; there is no god but He. He is the Knower of the unseen and the visible; He is the All-Merciful, the All-Compassionate. He is God; there is no god but He. He is the King, the All-Holy, the All-Peace, the Guardian of the Faith, the All-Preserver, the All-Mighty, the All-Compeller, the All-Sublime. Glory be to God, above that they associate! He is God, the Creator, the Maker, the Shaper. To Him belong the Names Most Beautiful. All that is in the heavens and the earth magnifies Him; He is the Almighty, the All-Wise" (59:22-24).

    " There is no god but He, the Living, the Everlasting. Slumber seizes Him not, nor sleep. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and the earth. Who is there that shall intercede with Him save by His leave? He knows what lies before them, and what is after them, and they comprehend not anything of His knowledge save such as He wills. His throne comprises the heavens and earth. The preserving of them oppresses Him not; He is the All-High, the All-Glorious" (2:255).


    " The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a Spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers, and say not "Three". Refrain; better it is for you. God is only one God. Glory be to Him -- (He is) above having a son" (4:171).
     
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    From the point of view of the Qu'ran you are absolutely right, however judging by the Bible you are way out of line. With all due respect you and Muslims believe that the Qu'ran is the only way to God and I and Christians believe that the Bible is the only way to God. The Muslims try to win as many people as possible into Islam to the Glory and Honor of their God 'Allah' and the Christians try to win as many people as possible for the Glory and Honor of their God 'Jehovah'.

    Unfortunately the two God's have refused to step down from their thrones in their respective heavens to help mankind agree on who is the true God. (The one who created the heavens and the earth and everything in it and who is worthy of worship by all mankind) and to clarify to mortal men that yes! the Qu'ran is right or yes! the Bible is right. So assuming that other most respected Gods of the Hindu, Buddhists and the rest of believers will have no say for now because they have taught their believers to be kind, loving and respectful of other people's beliefs and because of it they are assumed not to matter.

    How are we 'mankind' going to resolve the division between Christians and Muslims? Toss a coin that all follow one God or agree to disagree but still live in harmony? What about the non believers who accept neither Islam nor Christianity what will be done to them? since they are the ones who will ridicule the religions, and rightly so as both religions have not established beyond any reasonable doubt of the existence of their Gods.
     
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    Upo sahihi kulingana na Qu'ran ambayo unatakiwa uni-convince kwamba ndio Kitabu cha kweli cha Mungu na sio Biblia. Pia uni-convince kwamba Waislamu ndio wataenda mbiguni kwa Mungu na Wakristo wataenda motoni. sasa uwezi kunishawishi kwa kutumia Qu'rani kwa kuwa siiamini nawewe siwezi ku-convince kwa kutumia Biblia kwa kuwa huamini ninavyo itafsiri. Kwa hiyo inabidi tuweke vitabu hivi pembeni tueleweshane ni kwanini tutumie hiki na sio hiki kingine.
     
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    asubiri ijumaa baada ya swala ya ijumaa, atakiona cha mtemakuni. But, nimecheka sana.
     
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    Gama JF-Expert Member

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    Kwamba the whole ISLAM WORLD imechanganywa akili na TEJA na kuamua kutekeleza mauaji na vurugu dunia nzima!, inachekesha.
     
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    zomba JF-Expert Member

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    Aje mnazi mmoja atangaze hayo, kichwa chake halali yangu. Kama mwanamme kweli asingejificha nyuma ya pazia na kutuoa hizo kejeli.
     
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    chash JF-Expert Member

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    Duh! hii sasa kali. itabidi sheria ibadilishwe ili kuruhusu waislamu kumuua mtu yeyote anaye tania dini yao. Kwa sasa hivi nadhani sio ruksa. Inabidi pia muangalie na mtu anaye tamka kwakua vichaa wamekuwa wengi zaidi na wanatoa matamshi ovyo ovyo, kwa hiyo mjifunze kuwa watulivu na kusamehe bure.
     
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    zomba JF-Expert Member

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    Hukumbuki walimfanya nini diamond?
     
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    altaaf Senior Member

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    Mkuu haina haja kuatafuta umaarufu kwa kukashifu dini za watu ueleweke vipi ? heshima kitu cha bure yule wa marekani angeweza kutambulika ni teja ama ni idiot fulani je wewe tukutambuwe vipi ? heshimu imani yako na ya wenzako pia. wewe unajua court of justice umeiona wapi ?
     
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    chash JF-Expert Member

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    Oh Muslims I challenge you kindly to bring forth the original Bible which was not altered or lost in the course of time together with proof of originality and we shall believe. Also in that Bible (since you believe in injeel and Jesus) show where it says that believers of injeel and the Gospel of Jesus must abandon their faith and now become Muslims.
     
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