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Destroy ivory to curb poaching, PM urges Tanzania

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  1. Geza Ulole

    Geza Ulole JF-Expert Member

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    Destroy ivory to curb poaching, PM urges Tanzania

    [​IMG] Kenya Prime Minister Raila Odinga addresses the World Economic Forum for Africa in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania May 6, 2010. He urged Tanzania to burn its ivory stockpile to curb poaching. Photo/CORRESPONDENT.
    By LUCAS LIGANGA in Tanzania
    Posted Friday, May 7 2010 at 14:11

    In Summary
    • Tanzania rejects proposal to burn its ivory.
    • Kenya burned tens of hundreds of tonnes of ivory tusks recovered from poachers in the 1980s.
    Kenya Prime Minister Raila Odinga has urged neighbouring Tanzania to destroy its stockpiled ivory amounting to 90 tonnes to curb poaching.
    "I don't want to dictate to Tanzania to burn its ivory stockpiles but Kenya had burned its ivory stockpiles na huo ni mfano mzuri wa kuigwa (and that is a good example to follow)," Mr Odinga said during the World Economic Forum on Africa in Dar es Salaam Thursday.
    He said the Kenyan Elephant population had been dwindling as a result of poaching but this was reversed after a ban was slapped on ivory trade.
    "When trade in ivory was banned the elephant population started rising. We should not mess up with the rare privilege entrusted to us of hosting rare wildlife."
    But in a swift rejoinder, the Minister for Natural Resources and Tourism, Ms Shamsa Mwangunga, said there was no way Tanzania could burn its ivory.
    "It doesn't bring sense to burn 90 tonnes of ivory stockpiles," she told The Citizen when contacted on phone.
    "We are making new proposals to CITES (Convention of International Trade in Endangered Species) requesting the convention to allow us to sell the ivory.
    Ms Mwangunga said the proposals will be submitted before the next CITES meeting to be held after three years from now.
    Addressing a press conference, Mr Odinga denied reports that Kenya had sabotaged Tanzania in its bid to sell its stockpiled ivory.
    Recent accusations
    The Kenyan Prime Minister was replying to a question by The Citizen asking him to comment on recent accusations by some Tanzania MPs that Kenya had betrayed Tanzania and it was not committed to the spirit of the East African Community (EAC) following its recent action to block its neighbour from selling its ivory.
    "Kenya is committed to the spirit of the East African co-operation," he said.
    In the late 1980s Kenya, under the administration of former president Daniel arap Moi, burned tens of hundreds of tonnes of ivory tusks recovered from poachers in its attempts to stop poaching of the African Elephant.
    Tanzania had lobbied to the Convention of International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES) to allow the country to sell off its ivory stockpiles saying the money could have been used to boost wildlife conservation.
    However, CITES turned down Tanzania's request at its 15th meeting in Doha, an action that led Tanzania to blame Kenya for spearheading negative propaganda.
    African Elephants are classified in CITES Appendix I, in which ivory trade is prohibited.
    Tanzania and Zambia have been lobbying for the Elephant to be down-listed from Appendix I to Appendix II, which covers endangered species but in which limited international trade is allowed.
    Mr Odinga called for the need among EAC member states to have similar conservation policies, something he said had not taken place ahead of the CITES meeting in Doha, Qatar, in March, this year.
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    Wildlife stakeholders across the world argued that lifting the ban on ivory trade would have sent a message to the syndicates involved in elephant poaching to intensify their activities.
    They further argued that the proposal by Tanzania did not meet the criteria for amending relevant parts of the convention to allow the ban on ivory trade to be lifted.
    The CITES regulations require that effective enforcement controls be in place before such a proposal is made, which is not the case in Tanzania.
    Tanzania submitted its request to the CITES to lift its ban against the backdrop of massive poaching in the Selous Game Reserve, one of the largest fauna reserves of the world, located in the south of Tanzania.
    In March, the Government of Tanzania expressed its disappointment over the decision by the CITES to reject its plea to sale 90 tonnes of stockpiled ivory.
    The Permanent Secretary in the Ministry of Natural Resources and Tourism, Dr Ladislous Komba, was quoted as saying the government was planning to renew the request, saying that misinformation had failed the proposal.

    Simply get ur life u f**l if u destroyed ur ivory it doesnt mean we should! Our policies are different we allow hunting n it makes a sense to sell the ivory to support those who are protecting the elephants through sustainable infrastructure and good numerations! can you prove to us that there is no poarching at all in Kenya? how comes you have fewer elephants than us if at all u have no hunting and no black market for underground poarching currently underway! why the hell should we emulate Moi's stupidity on burning those trophies?
  2. Ben Saanane

    Ben Saanane Verified User

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    Look at this incompetent interloper,anafikiria Sisi ni wakalenjini?

    Raila Odinga,just keep your stereotyping advise for yourself and Kenyans. Huna kitu cha kutushauri wewe
  3. Jammu Africa

    Jammu Africa JF-Expert Member

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    Ha ha, what a funny thing to hear.

    Tanzania wants to sell ivory recovered from poachers so that it can be able to
    'boost it's wildlife conservation'.


    Is it not like selling heroine and cocaine which was in the hands of traffickers so
    that to be able to 'boost the fight against these illegals'.

    If Tanzania is allowed to do so, how sure are we that the government won't be
    collaborating with poachers, to bring them the ivories, then claim later that they have a
    large stockpile of ivory to sell.

    Don't the government of Tanzania and its people carry the responsibility of taking care
    of these poor animals?

    Kenyans are always blamed of being selfish but i wonder who is selfish now?

    Tanzania, as the largest country in the eastern Africa, with so much natural resources
    has not giving the right examples to others.

    It has has been having a tendency of being very selfish and only thinking about itself and
    others do not matter.

    Even their animals never matters any more.

    If Tanzanians are not responsible and do not care about these animals, others in the world
    will oppose this cruel actions of selling these animals parts and later look for a scapegoat
    'ati Kenya inazuia msiuze pembe ya ndovu'.

    If Tanzanians are so desperate that much for money, they can ship the ivories to Hong
    and those Asians countries, ki siri siri, and i assure you that the money will not 'boost
    wildlife conservation, but will end up in some foreign banks in Europe, to accounts of some
    people in the high places in the government.

    Wake up and think big.

    Try to be creative and leave alone these poor creatures for heaven sake.

    Tanzania is blessed with so much natural resources and only a little thinking is what is needed
    to make this country even greater than those Asians countries where it wants to sell those ivories.
  4. Geza Ulole

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    stop distorting facts the trophies from poarching account less than 10% of the total stockpile! MOST üf the trophies come from controlled HUNTING (throiugh culling)! can you tell me how did burning of your trophies (after secretly being paid by the WeSt) helped you if today over 20 yrs after, you still have lower elephant population than ours, can you prove to me that there is no poarching at all in that country of yours? FYI Tanzania leads in Africa with the highest number of elephants over 110,000 currently and they gonna be disastrous if we stop hunting THE TRUTH is Kenya is jealous periodly of what Tanzania is getting from HUNTING knowing that they cant do the same having first lower elephant population and second having laws that barn hunting they use overblown poarching fighting ideas to frustrate and undermine our initiative as an independent country! Leave us ALONE you greedy nation!
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    Percival JF-Expert Member

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    Things go by concensus guys - no need to cry about Kenya. It was not only Kenya decision it was decions of many countries represented at the conference that ivory should not be sold. If Tanzania presented a lost case then tuff luck. The best ways is to move on and stop whinging and complaining. Our politicians and especially our MPs need to undestand a thing or two about the way international politics are conducted as one cannot always have things go the way they want.
  6. Dark City

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    Mimi ni mtanzania na nimepata bahati ya kufanya kazi na uhifadhi wa wanyama pori huko nyuma. Tuache siasa. Hii kitu inayopigiwa upatu na serikali haifai kabisa. Biashara ya pembe za ndovu ni hatari sana na serikali iachane na siasa za kuchocheana na kulalamika. Ujangili na uwindaji haramu bado unaendelea na tena unashika kasi. Pia serikali inafumbia macho vitendo vya kuvamia sehemu za hifadhi au njia za wanyama (migration corridors). Kwa hiyo, proposal ya serikali ni ya hatari sana na itachochoea ujangili. Kama hizo pembe zimekuwa nyingi sana wazichome tu. Hadi sasa Tz ni chanzo kikubwa cha pembe za ndovu zinazopelekwa mashariki ya mbali. Kujaribu kuunza hizo za serikali itakuwa ni kuwapa upenyo mafisadi wamwage pembe zao wanazo kwa njia za haramu kwenye soko. Tuache ushabiki, Kenya wametusaidia sana kwenye hii issue.
  7. Mzee Mwanakijiji

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    Walikataa kuzichoma moto kwa sababu walikuwa na sababu !!!
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    Hapo ni kweli kabisa. Wenye akili zetu tunaweza kuunganisha dots.
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    Majuzi (11 Septemba 2010) tumesoma taarifa kwamba kontena mbili zenye takriban meno ya tembo 365 zilikamatwa bandarini Hong Kong na maelezo yanaonyesha kuwa shehena hiyo inatoka nchini mwetu Tanzania! Sina hakika kama mzigo huo unatokana na uvujaji/wizi kutoka ghala ya serikali 'ivory room' ambayo ina ulinzi wa kiserikali - au labda ni makusanyo ya wawindaji haramu! Lakini najiuliza kwa nini ujio wa makampuni mengi ya nchi za ki-China kuja Afrika kibiashara/kuwekeza; na ongezeko la uwindaji haramu katika nchi mbalimbali za Afrika unashahibiana!!???

    Hata mipango ya serikali yetu kuhusu maendeleo na uwekezaji mara nyingi unaruhusu vimelea vya uvunjaji sheria za wanyamapori na hifadhi zake. Kwa mfano, kujenga mahoteli/kambi za utalii ni jambo lenye tija kwa upande mmoja, lakini halimwongezei Mtanzania kipato cha moja kwa moja (vijiji vya jirani havina uhakika wa soko la bidhaa zao), ajira za nafasi za juu (sanasana tunaambulia zile za ulinzi, usafi, udereva nk), huku athari ni kubwa (uharibifu na upotevu wa 'ecosystem' kwa kipeo cha 'milele', fedha za kigeni kubaki huko huko kwenye booking office zao, uhamishaji wa raia wenyeji kwa mabavu kuruhusu ardhi itwaliwe na wageni kwa kinga ya 'uwekezaji' nk, nk).

    Na sasa tunataka kujenga barabara kuu (highway) kuunganisha mikoa ya Mara na Arusha kupitia mbuga ya wanyama ya Serengeti (ambayo UNESCO wameitaja kama 'Urithi wa Dunia' - UNESCO designated World Heritage Site). Tunaambiwa ni moja ya ahadi katika kuboresha miundombinu ya Taifa. Sawa, lakini anayenufaika ni nani? Hivi kila anayekaa mikoa hiyo ana sababu kubwa ya kufika upande wa pili kwa idadi ya safari zitakazoidhinisha mahitaji ya kuwepo barabara kuu? Na kuna wakazi wangapi humo 'njiani' watakaonufaika nayo? Wataalamu wa kimataifa, baadhi yao Frankfurt Zoological Society ambao wapo katika mbuga ya Serengeti kwa takriban miaka 50, na wa Africa Wildlife na wengineo wameshauri kwamba barabara ijengwe kuzunguka mbuga hiyo na hifadhi za jirani (National Park and its surrounding Game Reserves), lakini Serikali imeziba masikio kuhusu hili! Tusishangae miaka mitano au 10 ijayo ikiwa hatutakuwa na wanyama pori wa kuvutia watalii Serengeti, na pato la Taifa kutokana na utalii likapungua kwa kiasi kikubwa! Kwa nini Watanzania HATUAMBILIKI, na hasa tukiwa madarakani??
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    Hana ushauri? lakini ameweza kuendesha serikali ambayo inakuza uchumi wake japo hawana ardhi yenye dhahabu hata kilo mbili.