Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania

Okay i am new to this forum but i notice that there is a lot of misconception around the kenyan sgr. First in terms of cost we might say kenya got a very good deal. The kenyan sgr is class 1 chinese standard capable of a minimum axle load of 25 tonnes and able to handle double stack trains. None of our neighbours have this the TZ sgr is arema standard which can't handle double stack wagons but you can go at higher speed. A typical cargo train on the kenyan sgr will measure 880 metres long, with 54 double stack wagons this means while our neighbours can go faster by like 40 km/hr, ours will transport more cargo per trip albeit some few minutes late. Combined with the economic boost this rail has had on tourism, manufacturing, easing movement of people and goods, it caused a jump in economic output by 1.5% i.e out of the 6.1% growth in 2018 1.5% can directly be attributed to the sgr even if it is yet to make a profit.
 
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Okay i am new to this forum but i notice that there is a lot of misconception around the kenyan sgr. First in terms of cost we might say kenya got a very good deal. The kenyan sgr is class 1 chinese standard capable of a minimum axle load of 25 tonnes and able to handle double stack trains. None of our neighbours have this the TZ sgr is arema standard which can't handle double stack wagons but you can go at higher speed. A typical cargo train on the kenyan sgr will measure 880 metres long, with 54 double stack wagons this means while our neighbours can go faster by like 40 km/hr, ours will transport more cargo per trip albeit some few minutes late. Combined with the economic boost this rail has had on tourism, manufacturing, easing movement of people and goods, it caused a jump in economic output by 1.5% i.e out of the 6.1% growth in 2018 1.5% can directly be attributed to the sgr even if it is yet to make a profit.
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People here are more interested in superficial arguments.... Its not just about axle load or speed or HP or trains capacity..... There is a formula that combines all those factors to find the right combination for the right business model...
Anyway....people can argue from morning to evening but the true arguments will come once every country has completed its rail.... Then we all see the true results ....
We all remember how many ppl compared our SGR with Ethiopia's (Tz had no started construction yet) ...... Ppl used to write articles about how Ethiopia got s better deal ..... Where are those people now? Despite Ethiopia finishing it's construction almost 1 year earlier they just added their 2nd pair of train last month! And their ICD is so small it's already full and they have been force to stack containers on dirt ground next to their ICD yet they only had 2 trains before last month... They have done 1 million tonnes so far ..... While on the other hand Kenya is 12 pairs of train so far and 5 million tonnes on the first year of operation...
 
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Okay i am new to this forum but i notice that there is a lot of misconception around the kenyan sgr. First in terms of cost we might say kenya got a very good deal. The kenyan sgr is class 1 chinese standard capable of a minimum axle load of 25 tonnes and able to handle double stack trains. None of our neighbours have this the TZ sgr is arema standard which can't handle double stack wagons but you can go at higher speed. A typical cargo train on the kenyan sgr will measure 880 metres long, with 54 double stack wagons this means while our neighbours can go faster by like 40 km/hr, ours will transport more cargo per trip albeit some few minutes late. Combined with the economic boost this rail has had on tourism, manufacturing, easing movement of people and goods, it caused a jump in economic output by 1.5% i.e out of the 6.1% growth in 2018 1.5% can directly be attributed to the sgr even if it is yet to make a profit.
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KENYA'S STANDARD GAUGE RAILWAY is the cheapest in East Africa, we can report. It cost US$4.43 million per kilometer while Ethiopia spent $5 million, Eritrea $ 5.05 and Tanzania's central Corridor will cost $4.05 million for the same length.

This is despite the fact they are upgrades on existing lines and are of inferior quality to Northern Corridor SGR.

The Central Corridor line is AREMA standard while the Ethiopian Djibouti line is Class two Chinese standard. The Northern Corridor, on the other hand, is Class one Chinese standard designed for double stack wagons while the other two are single stack lines. The Maximum load capacity of both the Central Corridor and the Ethiopian line is 20 tones while the Northern Corridor's capacity is 35 tonnes.

In addition, the Central Corridor and the Ethiopian lines have level Crossings with no bridges, The Kenyan line on the other hand boast of 29.5 Km of bridges and no level crossings. Experts say that bridges take 30 percent of rail or road construction cost because of embankments.

We will ignore the nagging question whether Tanzania can generate enough power to run a train.

Already, the 300 Km Dar- Morogoro section, whose construction the President launched last week, will cost a whopping $1.215 billion according to Tanzania’s Daily News. That works out to $4.05 million per Kilometer and that excludes land compensation and electrification.
 
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These new figures put paid to the allegation the Kenyan, SGR, though a green field project, is the most expensive in East Africa. The numbers also answer the critical” question: Just what is the difference between the Northern Corridor Standard Gauge Railway and the other two in East Africa? If the numbers here are anything to go by, the myth that the Northern Corridor SGR is expensive is debunked. Kenya’s greenfield SGR is the cheapest in the region at $4.43 million per Kilometer.
The debate about the three SGR lines centers on cost leaving out other factors at play in the costing of any SGR line. The Northern Corridor SGR say, critics, is the most expensive in East Africa and therefore some fellows in power must have pocketed a large chunk of the money through rent-seeking, they conclude.
The second difference, the Northern Corridor is built on rugged terrain with peaks and dips while the other two are on a relatively flat terrain. Therefore the Northern Corridor Railway line, which is the busiest Corridor in the region, must have embankments, tunnels, and viaducts to keep the line as flat as possible
The third and critical difference is: The northern Corridor SGR is green field while the other two are upgrades of old railway lines. The 752.7km Ethiopia-Djibouti railway is an upgrade of the meter-gauge line to a 1,435mm gauge line, and electrification at 25kV.

It seems that the cost of upgrading a kilometer including installing electric lines is a standard US$ 5 million. Here, the contractor has to ensure that a lot of engineering facets such Viaducts, tunnels and embankments are minimized or eliminated. Where they cannot be avoided, they should be as short as possible. Cutting costs is the leading determinant.
A Tunnel
The Cost per Kilometre for a greenfield project does not appear standardized given the peculiar circumstances of each region and country. Further such engineering instruments as viaducts, Embankments, and tunnels are not avoided or minimized. Here the smooth run of the train is a major determinant.
These findings debunk the myth by some analysts of questionable integrity that the “Lunatic Express” which runs from Mombasa to Kampala, could be upgraded at US$200 million.

The known expenditure on these three lines thus explodes the myth that Northern Corridor is expensive. In fact, the northern corridor, even as a greenfield project is more than $50,000 cheaper per Kilometre than the upgraded ones.
According to an investor Brief prepared for the Rwanda Government, the scope of works of the $7.6 billion Tanzanian line will include upgrading the 960 Km Dar-Es-salaam- Isaka section to standard gauge-“keeping to the existing alignment as much as possible.”

This, analysts say, is likely to be extended to Mwanza which will mean that the upgrade will involve 1,219 KM. Tanzania will build just about 320 kilometres of greenfield Standard Gauge Railway between Isaka and Keza on the border with Rwanda.

Kenya’s SGR between Nairobi and Mombasa cost $2.66 billion or $4.43 million a kilometre. If the cost of the $1.44 billion contract for the supply of Locomotives and rolling stock namely; 56 Locomotives, 40 passenger coaches, 1620 wagons, the Mombasa –Nairobi section, which is 600 kilometres of railway plus the locomotives and rolling stock cost $4.1 billion.
On the second score that of carrying capacity, the class two Chinese standard line is beaten hands down. The wagons axle load capacity is 25 tons maximum while the Northern Corridor SGR has 25 tons as the minimum axle load capacity.
Therefore the Northern Corridor line can carry more freight than the upgrade one-meter gauge lines. Consequently, wagons are double stack wagons that can carry two containers stacked one on top of the other. The wagons on the northern corridor will carry more freight per trip than the other two. In fact, 56 double stack wagons will haul 4,000 tons, what 130 trucks carry.

On the other hand, the Ethiopian line’s only publicly recorded haulage is nearly 1, 200 tons of relief food in 2015. That is nearly a quarter of what will be hauled on the northern corridor in a single run.
Yet, on this simplistic analysis that the Tanzanian President, John Magufuli, according to Uganda’s Daily Monitor Newspaper, attempted to woe Uganda’s Yoweri Museveni, to discard the Northern Corridor in favour of the Central Corridor. This sounds like a pipe dream.
Here’s why; Tanzania is inviting Uganda to abandon its SGR ambitions and all its potential benefits to rely on Tanzania instead! That is like transferring one’s inheritance to a neighbour’s children. Uganda is being asked to retain its archaic 19th century railway line so that Tanzania’s SGR can remain profitable! According to the Investor Briefing referred to earlier, Tanzania can only generate 3.1 million tons of freight for a line designed to carry 1aA7 million tons a year.
If Uganda falls for the trick, it will have to abandon its 1617 Km network which is projected to save the country US$2 billion a year in freight costs and also abandon the Uganda- South Sudan Line thus hurting its business interests in South Sudan. The entire 1617Km of the Uganda section of the SGR will cost an estimated $12.8 billion, says Uganda’s Daily Monitor while the Kenyan side will cost an estimated $11.4 billion, it says.
A Railway line opens up opportunities in a country; creating new business opportunities for people neighbouring the line, easing the cost of transport and improving on the transit time. In effect, a railway line has direct links with the local economy.
Consequently, Uganda will be transferring her potential benefits to Tanzania if she abandons her SGR as she will have to ship her imports and exports through Tanzanian Ports. A large Ferry can carry only 45 containers, meaning to off-load a 218 container train will require Five ferries.
Marine transport across Lake Victoria collapsed more than a decade ago, says the Monitor in another report. It will thus need massive investment in infrastructure, Marine Vessels and other equipment to meet demands of a modern high-speed railway. Short of this, Marine transport across Lake Victoria will become a bottleneck to Uganda’s international trade.
The journey across the Lake could take more than 8 hours of travel assuming the seamless transfer of the freight.
This compares negatively to the two hours by high-speed train from Malaba to Kampala. This section is 273 Kilometres long and, according to reports, will cost $2.3 billion. This works out to an average cost of US$8.5 billion which includes the cost of locomotives and rolling stock at US$180 million. One wonders how many locos, freight wagons and passenger coaches this money can buy.
The East African report quotes Uganda Officials as saying that the Malaba- Kampala section will be 339KM of rail and that its costs include the cost of building a polytechnic in Tororo, eastern Uganda for $30 million, staff facilities for $25 million and spend $20 million to improve the Kampala railway station.
 
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Rather than relying on ad hominem why don't you bring out what you have and we can see if it holds water. Unless of course you do not have facts to disprove the article, in which case silence would be the best option. There is a saying i love "A fool in silence seems wise, yet he will open his mouth and remove all doubt of his foolishness". I am not saying you are a fool, be it far from me to ever think that of you. I am saying your reliance on insults as arguments makes me wonder if indeed you are one.
 
Kevin85ify said:
KENYA'S STANDARD GAUGE RAILWAY is the cheapest in East Africa, we can report. It cost US$4.43 million per kilometer while Ethiopia spent $5 million, Eritrea $ 5.05 and Tanzania's central Corridor will cost $4.05 million for the same length.

This is despite the fact they are upgrades on existing lines and are of inferior quality to Northern Corridor SGR.

The Central Corridor line is AREMA standard while the Ethiopian Djibouti line is Class two Chinese standard. The Northern Corridor, on the other hand, is Class one Chinese standard designed for double stack wagons while the other two are single stack lines. The Maximum load capacity of both the Central Corridor and the Ethiopian line is 20 tones while the Northern Corridor's capacity is 35 tonnes.

In addition, the Central Corridor and the Ethiopian lines have level Crossings with no bridges, The Kenyan line on the other hand boast of 29.5 Km of bridges and no level crossings. Experts say that bridges take 30 percent of rail or road construction cost because of embankments.

We will ignore the nagging question whether Tanzania can generate enough power to run a train.

Already, the 300 Km Dar- Morogoro section, whose construction the President launched last week, will cost a whopping $1.215 billion according to Tanzania’s Daily News. That works out to $4.05 million per Kilometer and that excludes land compensation and electrification.
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Source??? Weka link.....
 
Kevin85ify said:
These new figures put paid to the allegation the Kenyan, SGR, though a green field project, is the most expensive in East Africa. The numbers also answer the critical” question: Just what is the difference between the Northern Corridor Standard Gauge Railway and the other two in East Africa? If the numbers here are anything to go by, the myth that the Northern Corridor SGR is expensive is debunked. Kenya’s greenfield SGR is the cheapest in the region at $4.43 million per Kilometer.
The debate about the three SGR lines centers on cost leaving out other factors at play in the costing of any SGR line. The Northern Corridor SGR say, critics, is the most expensive in East Africa and therefore some fellows in power must have pocketed a large chunk of the money through rent-seeking, they conclude.
The second difference, the Northern Corridor is built on rugged terrain with peaks and dips while the other two are on a relatively flat terrain. Therefore the Northern Corridor Railway line, which is the busiest Corridor in the region, must have embankments, tunnels, and viaducts to keep the line as flat as possible
The third and critical difference is: The northern Corridor SGR is green field while the other two are upgrades of old railway lines. The 752.7km Ethiopia-Djibouti railway is an upgrade of the meter-gauge line to a 1,435mm gauge line, and electrification at 25kV.

It seems that the cost of upgrading a kilometer including installing electric lines is a standard US$ 5 million. Here, the contractor has to ensure that a lot of engineering facets such Viaducts, tunnels and embankments are minimized or eliminated. Where they cannot be avoided, they should be as short as possible. Cutting costs is the leading determinant.
A Tunnel
The Cost per Kilometre for a greenfield project does not appear standardized given the peculiar circumstances of each region and country. Further such engineering instruments as viaducts, Embankments, and tunnels are not avoided or minimized. Here the smooth run of the train is a major determinant.
These findings debunk the myth by some analysts of questionable integrity that the “Lunatic Express” which runs from Mombasa to Kampala, could be upgraded at US$200 million.

The known expenditure on these three lines thus explodes the myth that Northern Corridor is expensive. In fact, the northern corridor, even as a greenfield project is more than $50,000 cheaper per Kilometre than the upgraded ones.
According to an investor Brief prepared for the Rwanda Government, the scope of works of the $7.6 billion Tanzanian line will include upgrading the 960 Km Dar-Es-salaam- Isaka section to standard gauge-“keeping to the existing alignment as much as possible.”

This, analysts say, is likely to be extended to Mwanza which will mean that the upgrade will involve 1,219 KM. Tanzania will build just about 320 kilometres of greenfield Standard Gauge Railway between Isaka and Keza on the border with Rwanda.

Kenya’s SGR between Nairobi and Mombasa cost $2.66 billion or $4.43 million a kilometre. If the cost of the $1.44 billion contract for the supply of Locomotives and rolling stock namely; 56 Locomotives, 40 passenger coaches, 1620 wagons, the Mombasa –Nairobi section, which is 600 kilometres of railway plus the locomotives and rolling stock cost $4.1 billion.
On the second score that of carrying capacity, the class two Chinese standard line is beaten hands down. The wagons axle load capacity is 25 tons maximum while the Northern Corridor SGR has 25 tons as the minimum axle load capacity.
Therefore the Northern Corridor line can carry more freight than the upgrade one-meter gauge lines. Consequently, wagons are double stack wagons that can carry two containers stacked one on top of the other. The wagons on the northern corridor will carry more freight per trip than the other two. In fact, 56 double stack wagons will haul 4,000 tons, what 130 trucks carry.

On the other hand, the Ethiopian line’s only publicly recorded haulage is nearly 1, 200 tons of relief food in 2015. That is nearly a quarter of what will be hauled on the northern corridor in a single run.
Yet, on this simplistic analysis that the Tanzanian President, John Magufuli, according to Uganda’s Daily Monitor Newspaper, attempted to woe Uganda’s Yoweri Museveni, to discard the Northern Corridor in favour of the Central Corridor. This sounds like a pipe dream.
Here’s why; Tanzania is inviting Uganda to abandon its SGR ambitions and all its potential benefits to rely on Tanzania instead! That is like transferring one’s inheritance to a neighbour’s children. Uganda is being asked to retain its archaic 19th century railway line so that Tanzania’s SGR can remain profitable! According to the Investor Briefing referred to earlier, Tanzania can only generate 3.1 million tons of freight for a line designed to carry 1aA7 million tons a year.
If Uganda falls for the trick, it will have to abandon its 1617 Km network which is projected to save the country US$2 billion a year in freight costs and also abandon the Uganda- South Sudan Line thus hurting its business interests in South Sudan. The entire 1617Km of the Uganda section of the SGR will cost an estimated $12.8 billion, says Uganda’s Daily Monitor while the Kenyan side will cost an estimated $11.4 billion, it says.
A Railway line opens up opportunities in a country; creating new business opportunities for people neighbouring the line, easing the cost of transport and improving on the transit time. In effect, a railway line has direct links with the local economy.
Consequently, Uganda will be transferring her potential benefits to Tanzania if she abandons her SGR as she will have to ship her imports and exports through Tanzanian Ports. A large Ferry can carry only 45 containers, meaning to off-load a 218 container train will require Five ferries.
Marine transport across Lake Victoria collapsed more than a decade ago, says the Monitor in another report. It will thus need massive investment in infrastructure, Marine Vessels and other equipment to meet demands of a modern high-speed railway. Short of this, Marine transport across Lake Victoria will become a bottleneck to Uganda’s international trade.
The journey across the Lake could take more than 8 hours of travel assuming the seamless transfer of the freight.
This compares negatively to the two hours by high-speed train from Malaba to Kampala. This section is 273 Kilometres long and, according to reports, will cost $2.3 billion. This works out to an average cost of US$8.5 billion which includes the cost of locomotives and rolling stock at US$180 million. One wonders how many locos, freight wagons and passenger coaches this money can buy.
The East African report quotes Uganda Officials as saying that the Malaba- Kampala section will be 339KM of rail and that its costs include the cost of building a polytechnic in Tororo, eastern Uganda for $30 million, staff facilities for $25 million and spend $20 million to improve the Kampala railway station.
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Kevin85ify said:
Rather than relying on ad hominem why don't you bring out what you have and we can see if it holds water. Unless of course you do not have facts to disprove the article, in which case silence would be the best option. There is a saying i love "A fool in silence seems wise, yet he will open his mouth and remove all doubt of his foolishness". I am not saying you are a fool, be it far from me to ever think that of you. I am saying your reliance on insults as arguments makes me wonder if indeed you are one.
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I dont have time for this! Stop being lazy and do a little research, for starters go through this thread and be informed, this is not K talk where you will find busybodies who have ample time to gossip.

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sasa katika hyo list...za kwao zote ni hewa...yani mpka nashangaa na hawa wasee...

ngoja kidogo kidogo utaskia ndugu yake dongo kundu...
 
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