Cardinal Pengo; Before you jump into politics, Safisha kanisa lako!

[WomanOfSubstance]

CCM 2011 NA MAKAMBI YAKE MBALI MBALI NCHINI

Hivi kati ya hizi CCM mbali mbali hivi sasa nchini, wewe ni wa kundi gani hasa hapa chini???

1. CCM- Uadilifu (Wazee wenzake na Mwalimu Nyerere ambao ni watulivu, wakomavu na masikini wa kutupwa kwa kuipenda sana nchi na wenye moyo kuitetea Tanzania).

2. CCM- Ufisadi ( Ni kundi dogo linalojiita Wanamtandao au kumbakumba wa kila dili / mchecheto wa kila senti irukayo hewani wenye utayari wa kuuza hata mtoto wake alimradi fedha ipatikane zaidi kufanyia kila aina ya uchafu unaoweza kufikiria; ni wale ambao mpaka hivi sasa wamepepetwana pembeni wasio na kitu na kubakia RA + EL).

3. CCM-Unguja (Chama cha Wazanzibara kama Vuai wa Kondoa na Hussein Mwinyi wa Kisarawe Umatumbini).

4. CCM-Yatima (Ni wale akina Sumaye, Kigoda, Mungai, banduka, Komanya, Ngulume, na wengine waliokua chini ya BWM).

5. CCM-Bongo Flava (Rizi1, Februari Ma-Ropes, Ndungai, Malisa, Nchimbi, ... hawa hawana hela ila kamsimamo wa uongo na kweli)

6. CCM-Mwandosya / Mangula (Kanda ya Juu Kusini)

7. CCM- Six/John Liquor Ma-Padlocks (Kanda ya Ziwa)

8. CCM- Two Coins Mramba / Mrema / Mbatia (moshi Vijijini)

9. CCM-Uislamu (Pwani/ Tanga / Mashariki na Pemba)

Sasa hapa mtu unapoongelea CCM ni sharti uwe makini sana sana na ijulikane kwamba unazungumzia CCM ipi hasa.

Huu mchanganuo au sijui ndio upembuzi umeniacha hoi!

 

[Janjaweed]

kila nikisoma hii thread sielewi kama ni sele kweli au kuna mtu kaiba passwork yake

 

[WomanOfSubstance]

@Selemani

Hivi Pengo ni kadinali wa US au TAnzania??

Ukianza kuhukumu wakatoliki wote, tutafika? Maana mie ntwahukumu marai wote wa africa walio madarakani kwa kutoa mifano ya Mugabe na kumhukumu JK

Fikiria...

Tatizo lililopo kuna kutokujua kwingi kuhusu hii establishement.Watu badala ya kujipiga tuisheni kwanza waelewe wajua watashambulia wapi na vipi, wanakurupuka kama headless chickens na kuanza kuonyeshe ujinga ( ignorance)wao kwenye kadamnasi.


Ushauri wa bure - jielimisheni kwanza ndio muanze kushambulia.

Nina uhakika Pengo hatasumbuliwa na malumbano mepesi ( cheap) kama haya yanayotoka kwa watu wasiojua aa wala bee ....

 

[Uwezo Tunao]

Jamani mbona kautafiti kadogo tu kangeweza kuonesha kuwa siyo kila Kardinali ni raia wa Vatican?

Kwa taarifa yako hata kama Kadinali Pengo angekua raia wa Vatican (1) haki zote za uraia wake kwa kuzaliwa kamwe hazihami na bado anabakia Mtanzania safi mzaliwa wa mikoa ya kusini.

Pili, kwa kuwa umeonyesha kwamba hauko current sana nikufahamishe tu kwamba hata tungechukulia madai yenu hayo kuwa ndio ukweli wa mambo juu ya Kadinali, mpaka hivi sasa kuna Sheria ya Uraia wa Nchi Mbili ambazo kote kote unazo haki ya kukosoa serikali FISADI kama hii ya Alhaj Kikwete.

Hebu kalete hoja nyingine tujadili basi maana naona koo inajaa upepo bure hapa.

 

[Janjaweed]

Tatizo lililopo kuna kutokujua kwingi kuhusu hii establishement.Watu badala ya kujipiga tuisheni kwanza waelewe wajua watashambulia wapi na vipi, wanakurupuka kama headless chickens na kuanza kuonyeshe ujinga ( ignorance)wao kwenye kadamnasi.


Ushauri wa bure - jielimisheni kwanza ndio muanze kushambulia.

Nina uhakika Pengo hatasumbuliwa na malumbano mepesi ( cheap) kama haya yanayotoka kwa watu wasiojua aa wala bee ....

Loud and clear... i hope selemani ana uwezo wa kuelewa japo kidogo, to he has degraded himself to a "humus"

 

[Mkeshaji]

March 15, 2011
Avenging Altar Boy
By MAUREEN DOWD Off Todays NYTimes.
PHILADELPHIA

The district attorney is burning a eucalyptus-spearmint candle on his desk.

“I think the press looks down upon the D.A. drinking Jack Daniels during the day,” R. Seth Williams says with a broad smile, “so I light my little stress-relief candle.”

It’s understandable if the former altar boy at St. Carthage in West Philly needs to light a votive. The 44-year-old Catholic, who still attends Mass with his family at the same church, now called St. Cyprian, is the first U.S. prosecutor to charge a church official for a sickeningly commonplace sin: Endangering children whom the Roman Catholic Church was supposed to protect by shuffling pedophile priests to different parishes where they could find fresh prey.

Williams, the first African-American elected district attorney in Pennsylvania, was an orphan given up by his unwed mother. He was put into two foster homes before he was adopted at 20 months old by a Catholic family.

“I grew up treating the hierarchy of the church kind of like rock stars,” he said in his 18th floor aerie, where he keeps a small iron crucifix and a cross fashioned from Palm Sunday fronds. “If you’re going to meet the cardinal, you’re supposed to kiss the guy’s ring, all this stuff. But it is what it is. I wish I knew the Latin translation for that.

“There’s no get-out-of-jail-free card for raping, sodomizing, groping, doing anything wrong to kids.”

Msgr. William J. Lynn, who served from 1992 to 2004 as the secretary of clergy reviewing sexual abuse cases for then-Cardinal Anthony Bevilacqua, appeared in court Monday. He is charged with felonies for allegedly helping the cardinal cover up molesters and transferring them to other parishes.

“It was a conspiracy of silence to ensure the church’s reputation and to avoid scandal,” said Assistant District Attorney Evangelia Manos.

Monsignor Lynn, a round, ruddy man in black priest’s garb, sat silently in court behind his two lawyers — paid by the archdiocese — as a cheering squad of priests and parishioners watched.

Lynn’s co-defendants sat beside him: a rabbity-looking Rev. James Brennan, 47, charged with raping a 14-year-old boy named Mark in 1996 in his apartment; and the unholy alliance of a priest, the sepulchral Charles Engelhardt, 64, a defrocked priest, Edward Avery, 68, and a former Catholic schoolteacher, Bernard Shero, 48 — all charged with raping or sodomizing the same 10-year-old altar boy 12 years ago.

Lynn’s lawyer, Thomas Bergstrom, told reporters that the charges against his client were “a stretch” and that he was pleading not guilty.

And Richard DeSipio, one of Brennan’s lawyers, went on the attack against his client’s accuser, now 29. “Their witness is in prison in Bucks County for stealing his sister’s credit card and using it,” DeSipio told Mensah Dean of The Philadelphia Daily News. “He’s a convicted liar.”

On a local radio show on Tuesday, Brennan — a priest suspended by the church in 2006 — said he was uninterested in a plea deal, and his lawyer continued to paint the accuser as troubled.

Even with a global scandal that never seems to stop disgorging disgusting stories, the Philadelphia grand jury report is especially sordid.

It tells the story of a fifth-grade altar boy at St. Jerome School given the pseudonym Billy. Father Engelhardt plied him with sacramental wine and pulled pornographic magazines out of a bag in the sacristy and told the child it was time “to become a man,” the report says.

A week later, after Billy served an early Mass, the report states that Engelhardt instructed him to take off his clothes and perform oral sex on him. Then the priest told the boy he was “dismissed.”

“After that, Billy was in effect passed around to Engelhardt’s colleagues,” the report says. “Father Edward Avery undressed with the boy, told him that God loved him,” and then had him perform sex. “Next was the turn of Bernard Shero, a teacher in the school. Shero offered Billy a ride home but instead stopped at a park, told Billy they were ‘going to have some fun,’ took off the boy’s clothes, orally and anally raped him and then made him walk the rest of the way home.”

Billy fell apart and turned to heroin.

The report says Brennan knew Mark from the time he was 9. When he was 14, the priest arranged with Mark’s mother for a sleepover. “Brennan showed him pornographic pictures on his computer, bragged about his penis size and insisted that Mark sleep together with him in his bed.” Then the priest raped him as he cried, according to the report.

Mark also fell apart and attempted suicide.

Out of the church’s many unpleasant confrontations with modernity, this is the starkest. It’s tragically past time to send the message that priests can’t do anything they want and hide their sins behind special privilege.

In Seth Williams’s city, the law sees no collars, except the ones put on criminals. 


You talk of morality na utawala bora kwa wanasiasa wakati kanisa lako limegubikwa na kashfa kila kona. Kemea ouvu wa kanisa lako kwanza kabla hujaanza kuingilia mamlaka ya Kaisari.

Na ninyi kemeeni maovu ya wajahidina wenzenu ikiwemo ubakaji na uendaji kinyume na maumbile kabla ya kupayuka humu jamvini.

 

[Nyamizi]

Kwa taarifa yako hata kama Kadinali Pengo angekua raia wa Vatican (1) haki zote za uraia wake kwa kuzaliwa kamwe hazihami na bado anabakia Mtanzania safi mzaliwa wa mikoa ya kusini.

Pili, kwa kuwa umeonyesha kwamba hauko current sana nikufahamishe tu kwamba hata tungechukulia madai yenu hayo kuwa ndio ukweli wa mambo juu ya Kadinali, mpaka hivi sasa kuna Sheria ya Uraia wa Nchi Mbili ambazo kote kote unazo haki ya kukosoa serikali FISADI kama hii ya Alhaj Kikwete.

Hebu kalete hoja nyingine tujadili basi maana naona koo inajaa upepo bure hapa.

Nadhani hujamuelewa MM,hebu rudi umsome tena.

 

[mgen]

March 15, 2011
Avenging Altar Boy
By MAUREEN DOWD Off Todays NYTimes.
PHILADELPHIA

The district attorney is burning a eucalyptus-spearmint candle on his desk.

 I think the press looks down upon the D.A. drinking Jack Daniels during the day, R. Seth Williams says with a broad smile,  so I light my little stress-relief candle.

It s understandable if the former altar boy at St. Carthage in West Philly needs to light a votive. The 44-year-old Catholic, who still attends Mass with his family at the same church, now called St. Cyprian, is the first U.S. prosecutor to charge a church official for a sickeningly commonplace sin: Endangering children whom the Roman Catholic Church was supposed to protect by shuffling pedophile priests to different parishes where they could find fresh prey.

Williams, the first African-American elected district attorney in Pennsylvania, was an orphan given up by his unwed mother. He was put into two foster homes before he was adopted at 20 months old by a Catholic family.

 I grew up treating the hierarchy of the church kind of like rock stars, he said in his 18th floor aerie, where he keeps a small iron crucifix and a cross fashioned from Palm Sunday fronds.  If you re going to meet the cardinal, you re supposed to kiss the guy s ring, all this stuff. But it is what it is. I wish I knew the Latin translation for that.

 There s no get-out-of-jail-free card for raping, sodomizing, groping, doing anything wrong to kids.

Msgr. William J. Lynn, who served from 1992 to 2004 as the secretary of clergy reviewing sexual abuse cases for then-Cardinal Anthony Bevilacqua, appeared in court Monday. He is charged with felonies for allegedly helping the cardinal cover up molesters and transferring them to other parishes.

 It was a conspiracy of silence to ensure the church s reputation and to avoid scandal, said Assistant District Attorney Evangelia Manos.

Monsignor Lynn, a round, ruddy man in black priest s garb, sat silently in court behind his two lawyers  paid by the archdiocese  as a cheering squad of priests and parishioners watched.

Lynn s co-defendants sat beside him: a rabbity-looking Rev. James Brennan, 47, charged with raping a 14-year-old boy named Mark in 1996 in his apartment; and the unholy alliance of a priest, the sepulchral Charles Engelhardt, 64, a defrocked priest, Edward Avery, 68, and a former Catholic schoolteacher, Bernard Shero, 48  all charged with raping or sodomizing the same 10-year-old altar boy 12 years ago.

Lynn s lawyer, Thomas Bergstrom, told reporters that the charges against his client were  a stretch and that he was pleading not guilty.

And Richard DeSipio, one of Brennan s lawyers, went on the attack against his client s accuser, now 29.  Their witness is in prison in Bucks County for stealing his sister s credit card and using it, DeSipio told Mensah Dean of The Philadelphia Daily News.  He s a convicted liar.

On a local radio show on Tuesday, Brennan  a priest suspended by the church in 2006  said he was uninterested in a plea deal, and his lawyer continued to paint the accuser as troubled.

Even with a global scandal that never seems to stop disgorging disgusting stories, the Philadelphia grand jury report is especially sordid.

It tells the story of a fifth-grade altar boy at St. Jerome School given the pseudonym Billy. Father Engelhardt plied him with sacramental wine and pulled pornographic magazines out of a bag in the sacristy and told the child it was time  to become a man, the report says.

A week later, after Billy served an early Mass, the report states that Engelhardt instructed him to take off his clothes and perform oral sex on him. Then the priest told the boy he was  dismissed.

 After that, Billy was in effect passed around to Engelhardt s colleagues, the report says.  Father Edward Avery undressed with the boy, told him that God loved him, and then had him perform sex.  Next was the turn of Bernard Shero, a teacher in the school. Shero offered Billy a ride home but instead stopped at a park, told Billy they were  going to have some fun, took off the boy s clothes, orally and anally raped him and then made him walk the rest of the way home.

Billy fell apart and turned to heroin.

The report says Brennan knew Mark from the time he was 9. When he was 14, the priest arranged with Mark s mother for a sleepover.  Brennan showed him pornographic pictures on his computer, bragged about his penis size and insisted that Mark sleep together with him in his bed. Then the priest raped him as he cried, according to the report.

Mark also fell apart and attempted suicide.

Out of the church s many unpleasant confrontations with modernity, this is the starkest. It s tragically past time to send the message that priests can t do anything they want and hide their sins behind special privilege.

In Seth Williams s city, the law sees no collars, except the ones put on criminals.


You talk of morality na utawala bora kwa wanasiasa wakati kanisa lako limegubikwa na kashfa kila kona. Kemea ouvu wa kanisa lako kwanza kabla hujaanza kuingilia mamlaka ya Kaisari.

Tatizo huelewi hata kanisa nini!
Kwa faida yako ni kuwa, Kanisa ni Takatifu ila wanadamu wanafanya uasi kinyume na agizo la kanisa ambalo halija toa maelekezo ya kufanya uovu labda unionyeshe wapi Kanisa linaelekeza tufisadi!
Kuhusu kaizari;
kaisari ni nani mbele ya Mungu unavyo fikiri wewe ni kwamba, Mungu na kaizari ni sawa na majogoo mawili wanagombea tembe hiyo ni kufuru ambayo hata ibilisi hathubutu labda wewe!
Pengo ana haki zote kwa mujibu wa katiba na imani yake. usimnyapae au nawe ndio wale! kama wewe sio mdau baya lipi aliloongea Pengo?

 

[Nanren]

This is the worst cheap shot ever! ungeweza kujenga hoja vizuri kama ungeonesha ni jinsi gani mapadre wa jimbo la Dar wanalawiti watoto au kufanya maovu mengine kwani ni hao peke yake anaoweza kuwawajibisha na kuwachukulia sheria. Kardinali Pengo siyo Kardinali wa dunia nzima. Ndio maana kila Askofu au Kardinali anawajibishwa kwa makosa yanayotokea kwenye jimbo lake tu au mahali ambapo amewahi kuwa kiongozi wake wakati makosa yanafanyika.

Mzungumzaji wa Kanisa zima ni Papa peke yake na tayari ameshachukua hatua kadha wa kadha. Laiti vyombo na mashirika mengine ya kidini nayo yangekuwa na mfumo wa kuwawajibisha wahusika wa vitendo hivi mara moja kwani Kanisa Katoliki worst hit organization linaonesha uongozi na mambo ambayo makanisa na viongozi wa dini nyingine hawajaanza hata kushughulikia.

Ila ni jaribio zuri la kuunganisha vitu visivyo unganika.

Mkuu Mwanakijiji!

You can't change the way some of these guys think. Hata ukiwaelimisha hawaamini, wanafikiri labda kuna kitu unaficha au unatetea.
Sometimes it is better to ignore and let them remain ignorant.

 

[Nyamizi]

Na ninyi kemeeni maovu ya wajahidina wenzenu ikiwemo ubakaji na uendaji kinyume na maumbile kabla ya kupayuka humu jamvini.

Umepigilia msumari wa mwisho!

 

[Dubo]

Kwa taarifa yako hata kama Kadinali Pengo angekua raia wa Vatican (1) haki zote za uraia wake kwa kuzaliwa kamwe hazihami na bado anabakia Mtanzania safi mzaliwa wa mikoa ya kusini.

Pili, kwa kuwa umeonyesha kwamba hauko current sana nikufahamishe tu kwamba hata tungechukulia madai yenu hayo kuwa ndio ukweli wa mambo juu ya Kadinali, mpaka hivi sasa kuna Sheria ya Uraia wa Nchi Mbili ambazo kote kote unazo haki ya kukosoa serikali FISADI kama hii ya Alhaj Kikwete.

Hebu kalete hoja nyingine tujadili basi maana naona koo inajaa upepo bure hapa.

Hiyo sheria ilipitishwa kwenye bunge la ngapi na Mkutano wa ngapi?

 

[Shkh Yahya]

This is the worst cheap shot ever! ungeweza kujenga hoja vizuri kama ungeonesha ni jinsi gani mapadre wa jimbo la Dar wanalawiti watoto au kufanya maovu mengine kwani ni hao peke yake anaoweza kuwawajibisha na kuwachukulia sheria. Kardinali Pengo siyo Kardinali wa dunia nzima. Ndio maana kila Askofu au Kardinali anawajibishwa kwa makosa yanayotokea kwenye jimbo lake tu au mahali ambapo amewahi kuwa kiongozi wake wakati makosa yanafanyika.

Mzungumzaji wa Kanisa zima ni Papa peke yake na tayari ameshachukua hatua kadha wa kadha. Laiti vyombo na mashirika mengine ya kidini nayo yangekuwa na mfumo wa kuwawajibisha wahusika wa vitendo hivi mara moja kwani Kanisa Katoliki worst hit organization linaonesha uongozi na mambo ambayo makanisa na viongozi wa dini nyingine hawajaanza hata kushughulikia.

Ila ni jaribio zuri la kuunganisha vitu visivyo unganika.

Manakijiji karibu foramuni..
Ila umesahau yule kasisi/mchungaji aliye mlawiti mfanyakazi wake wa ndani kule maeneo ya chuo kikuu Darisalama.....

au..umesahau yule Padire kikongwele kule Kilimanjaro aliyemfanyia kitu mbaya yule kijana mwenye umri wa miaka 14

au mikasa kibao isiyotolewa taarifa kwa lengo la ku preserve heshima ya kanisa ambapo waliobatizwa utukufu tena hawa Mafathers ambao wameapa kutooa lakini wanatembea na Masisters wao na wakishawapa ujauzito wanawahamisha na wale watoto wanapelekwa kwenye zile kambi zetu za kulea watoto yatima.

Infact mikasa hii iko mingi mno..kuna binti ambaye sasa hivi ni mwanafunzi wa chuo kikuu kimoja hapa nchini..kwa masikitiko alisimulia jinsi mama yake aliyekuwa ni Sister alivyopewa ujauzito na Father na aibu ilioyompata kwa wazee wake mpaka akajiua. Huyu mtoto baadae alilelewa kwenye kambi za watoto Yatima.

Alichokianzisha ndugu Selemani ni changamoto ambayo Cardinali akisaidiwa na Wahashamu waone jinsi gani taasisi zao wanazoziongoza zilivyoporomoka kimaadili kabla ya kuangalia Taasisi nyingine. Waanze kwanza kuondo boriti kwenye macho yao.

Wakatabahu,
Sheikh Yahya.

 

[Sizinga]

Kwa taarifa yako hata kama Kadinali Pengo angekua raia wa Vatican (1) haki zote za uraia wake kwa kuzaliwa kamwe hazihami na bado anabakia Mtanzania safi mzaliwa wa mikoa ya kusini.

Pili, kwa kuwa umeonyesha kwamba hauko current sana nikufahamishe tu kwamba hata tungechukulia madai yenu hayo kuwa ndio ukweli wa mambo juu ya Kadinali, mpaka hivi sasa kuna Sheria ya Uraia wa Nchi Mbili ambazo kote kote unazo haki ya kukosoa serikali FISADI kama hii ya Alhaj Kikwete.

Hebu kalete hoja nyingine tujadili basi maana naona koo inajaa upepo bure hapa.

Mi nadhani kamsome tena MMJ utajua nini anamaanisha...ni kweli kuna uchafu katika kanisa katoliki..isitoshe hata katika jimbo lake Kard Pengo(all Tz) lakini etlist wahusika wanawajibishwa!! Vp upande wa pili kwa wenzetu waswahilina na ma-alhaji?? vingapi vichafu tunavisikia??je uongozi wa juu akina Simba...(Bakwata) umewawajibisha hawa watu??na je masheikh hawapaswi kuikosoa serikali eti tu kuna wabakaji katika baadhi ya watu wenu??

 

[freddielly]

March 15, 2011
Avenging Altar Boy
By MAUREEN DOWD Off Todays NYTimes.
PHILADELPHIA

The district attorney is burning a eucalyptus-spearmint candle on his desk.

“I think the press looks down upon the D.A. drinking Jack Daniels during the day,” R. Seth Williams says with a broad smile, “so I light my little stress-relief candle.”

It’s understandable if the former altar boy at St. Carthage in West Philly needs to light a votive. The 44-year-old Catholic, who still attends Mass with his family at the same church, now called St. Cyprian, is the first U.S. prosecutor to charge a church official for a sickeningly commonplace sin: Endangering children whom the Roman Catholic Church was supposed to protect by shuffling pedophile priests to different parishes where they could find fresh prey.

Williams, the first African-American elected district attorney in Pennsylvania, was an orphan given up by his unwed mother. He was put into two foster homes before he was adopted at 20 months old by a Catholic family.

“I grew up treating the hierarchy of the church kind of like rock stars,” he said in his 18th floor aerie, where he keeps a small iron crucifix and a cross fashioned from Palm Sunday fronds. “If you’re going to meet the cardinal, you’re supposed to kiss the guy’s ring, all this stuff. But it is what it is. I wish I knew the Latin translation for that.

“There’s no get-out-of-jail-free card for raping, sodomizing, groping, doing anything wrong to kids.”

Msgr. William J. Lynn, who served from 1992 to 2004 as the secretary of clergy reviewing sexual abuse cases for then-Cardinal Anthony Bevilacqua, appeared in court Monday. He is charged with felonies for allegedly helping the cardinal cover up molesters and transferring them to other parishes.

“It was a conspiracy of silence to ensure the church’s reputation and to avoid scandal,” said Assistant District Attorney Evangelia Manos.

Monsignor Lynn, a round, ruddy man in black priest’s garb, sat silently in court behind his two lawyers — paid by the archdiocese — as a cheering squad of priests and parishioners watched.

Lynn’s co-defendants sat beside him: a rabbity-looking Rev. James Brennan, 47, charged with raping a 14-year-old boy named Mark in 1996 in his apartment; and the unholy alliance of a priest, the sepulchral Charles Engelhardt, 64, a defrocked priest, Edward Avery, 68, and a former Catholic schoolteacher, Bernard Shero, 48 — all charged with raping or sodomizing the same 10-year-old altar boy 12 years ago.

Lynn’s lawyer, Thomas Bergstrom, told reporters that the charges against his client were “a stretch” and that he was pleading not guilty.

And Richard DeSipio, one of Brennan’s lawyers, went on the attack against his client’s accuser, now 29. “Their witness is in prison in Bucks County for stealing his sister’s credit card and using it,” DeSipio told Mensah Dean of The Philadelphia Daily News. “He’s a convicted liar.”

On a local radio show on Tuesday, Brennan — a priest suspended by the church in 2006 — said he was uninterested in a plea deal, and his lawyer continued to paint the accuser as troubled.

Even with a global scandal that never seems to stop disgorging disgusting stories, the Philadelphia grand jury report is especially sordid.

It tells the story of a fifth-grade altar boy at St. Jerome School given the pseudonym Billy. Father Engelhardt plied him with sacramental wine and pulled pornographic magazines out of a bag in the sacristy and told the child it was time “to become a man,” the report says.

A week later, after Billy served an early Mass, the report states that Engelhardt instructed him to take off his clothes and perform oral sex on him. Then the priest told the boy he was “dismissed.”

“After that, Billy was in effect passed around to Engelhardt’s colleagues,” the report says. “Father Edward Avery undressed with the boy, told him that God loved him,” and then had him perform sex. “Next was the turn of Bernard Shero, a teacher in the school. Shero offered Billy a ride home but instead stopped at a park, told Billy they were ‘going to have some fun,’ took off the boy’s clothes, orally and anally raped him and then made him walk the rest of the way home.”

Billy fell apart and turned to heroin.

The report says Brennan knew Mark from the time he was 9. When he was 14, the priest arranged with Mark’s mother for a sleepover. “Brennan showed him pornographic pictures on his computer, bragged about his penis size and insisted that Mark sleep together with him in his bed.” Then the priest raped him as he cried, according to the report.

Mark also fell apart and attempted suicide.

Out of the church’s many unpleasant confrontations with modernity, this is the starkest. It’s tragically past time to send the message that priests can’t do anything they want and hide their sins behind special privilege.

In Seth Williams’s city, the law sees no collars, except the ones put on criminals. 


You talk of morality na utawala bora kwa wanasiasa wakati kanisa lako limegubikwa na kashfa kila kona. Kemea ouvu wa kanisa lako kwanza kabla hujaanza kuingilia mamlaka ya Kaisari.

Crap....!!!

katumia haki yake kutoa maoni yake, haijalishi ni kiongozi wa dini....
tafakari tena....poor thread

 

[Ng'wanangwa]

Mi nadhani kamsome tena MMJ utajua nini anamaanisha...ni kweli kuna uchafu katika kanisa katoliki..isitoshe hata katika jimbo lake Kard Pengo(all Tz) lakini etlist wahusika wanawajibishwa!! Vp upande wa pili kwa wenzetu waswahilina na ma-alhaji?? vingapi vichafu tunavisikia??je uongozi wa juu akina Simba...(Bakwata) umewawajibisha hawa watu??na je masheikh hawapaswi kuikosoa serikali eti tu kuna wabakaji katika baadhi ya watu wenu??

wewe unadhani wanaobaka watoto ni wakristo? umeliwa.

kwenye tamasha la pasaka atakalohuzuria JK kuna mchungaji anaitwa Rashid. jiulize.

kanisa limeingiliwa na mpinga-kristo na kama kawaida wanaendeleza ndoto yao ya kuuzika ukristo na kuitawala dunia kwa upanga wakitumia Sharia law. wenye imani timilifu tunajua kwamba enzi na enzi uislamu umekuwa ukijipenyeza ndani ya kanisa ama kwa kuzaa nao ama kwa kujifanya wamemokea yesu na wakifika huko wanapewa vyeo na baada ya vyeo wanaanza kutekeleza ajenda zao za kuchafua kanisa.

wasioamini haya ni wale wanaoamini babu anatibu ukimwi.

 

[salisalum]

Haya mambo sie kwetu hayapo. Mhusika akitaka kujisaidia tuna wanawake wa kutosha, watumishi wetu hawana haja kutenda ufiraji wa watoto wadogo. Wakizidiwa wanajua sana cha kufanya, Tanzania ni nchi huru na dada zetu huwa wanawasaidia watumishi wa bwana wakizidiwa.

Watu mpaka wana wajukuu bwana! Sisi uzuri wetu hatudiscuss mambo yanayotendwa kati ya mwanaume na mwanamke huko chumbani. Provided mtu havunji sheria au katiba kwa nini umwingilie mambo yake? Mafaza ni wanaume kwanza tuwapongeze tu kwa kujitoa kuwa waseja. Wewe unaweza? Sasa akitoka tu walau mara moja kwa mwaka na mamsap wanayeshibana iwe nongwa? Acheni hizo bwana. Hiyo ni ajira pia ukumbuke ndugu Selemani!

Umechonga vibaya sana kumhusisha Cardinal wetu na mambo machafu ya huko unakoishi. Atawasema mafisadi hadi mkome. Na sie waumini tunawasikia sana viongozi wetu. Usidhani kuwachafua kutaturudisha nyuma, hata kidogo.

 

[Mwanajamii]

Tatizo letu kubwa watanzania ni kujibu hoja kwa kuangalia, wadhifa, dini, kabila au rangi ya mtu kabla ya kuzingatia utanzania wake. Pamoja na nafasi ya mtu katika jamii ukweli unabaki palepale kwamba naye ni mtanzania kama walivyo wengine na katiba inamlinda kwa hilo. Binafsi ningependa tumchambue Pengo kama Mtanzania sio kama kiongozi wa kanisa na hapo ndipo tutapata hoja kushinda hoja zake. Tukitoka nje ya hoja mwisho ni yeye atakuwa kashinda kwa hoja zake.

 

[Henge]

This is the worst cheap shot ever! ungeweza kujenga hoja vizuri kama ungeonesha ni jinsi gani mapadre wa jimbo la Dar wanalawiti watoto au kufanya maovu mengine kwani ni hao peke yake anaoweza kuwawajibisha na kuwachukulia sheria. Kardinali Pengo siyo Kardinali wa dunia nzima. Ndio maana kila Askofu au Kardinali anawajibishwa kwa makosa yanayotokea kwenye jimbo lake tu au mahali ambapo amewahi kuwa kiongozi wake wakati makosa yanafanyika.

Mzungumzaji wa Kanisa zima ni Papa peke yake na tayari ameshachukua hatua kadha wa kadha. Laiti vyombo na mashirika mengine ya kidini nayo yangekuwa na mfumo wa kuwawajibisha wahusika wa vitendo hivi mara moja kwani Kanisa Katoliki worst hit organization linaonesha uongozi na mambo ambayo makanisa na viongozi wa dini nyingine hawajaanza hata kushughulikia.

Ila ni jaribio zuri la kuunganisha vitu visivyo unganika.

mkuu unajua hawa watu nikuwaelimisha tuu HAWAJUI!

 

[paulk]

Kwa mujibu wa katiba tuliyo nayo sasa, Pengo si Mtanzania. Tanzania hairuhusu uraia wa nchi mbili. Kwakuwa Pengo ni Kadinali moja kwa moja anakuwa raia wa Vatican state.

On 22 February 2011, Pope Benedict XVI promulgated a new "Law concerning citizenship, residency and access" to Vatican City, which became effective on 1 March. It replaced the 1929 "Law concerning citizenship and residence".

Vatican citizenship now has four categories: (1) the pope, (2) cardinals residing in Vatican City, (3) active members of the Holy See's diplomatic corps, and (4) other directors of Vatican offices and services
( Since cardinal pengo Doen't reside within the vatican city, He is not the Citizen of the City

 

[Henge]

Tatizo huelewi hata kanisa nini!
Kwa faida yako ni kuwa, Kanisa ni Takatifu ila wanadamu wanafanya uasi kinyume na agizo la kanisa ambalo halija toa maelekezo ya kufanya uovu labda unionyeshe wapi Kanisa linaelekeza tufisadi!
Kuhusu kaizari;
kaisari ni nani mbele ya Mungu unavyo fikiri wewe ni kwamba, Mungu na kaizari ni sawa na majogoo mawili wanagombea tembe hiyo ni kufuru ambayo hata ibilisi hathubutu labda wewe!
Pengo ana haki zote kwa mujibu wa katiba na imani yake. usimnyapae au nawe ndio wale! kama wewe sio mdau baya lipi aliloongea Pengo?

Labda aliposema hawezi kuacha kukemea maovu haijalishi itamghalimu maisha yake! na kwamba hata kama vyombo vyote vya habari vikinunuliwa na mafisadi ikiwemo cha kanisa, hata acha kukemea na hata wakinyamazisha woote hata mawe yataongea tuu! na kuwa Gongo lamboto milipuko yake ni kutokuwajibika kwa baadhi ya viongozi!