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ANC Militant Youth League want nationalization of land and mines; will Militant UVCCM do the same???

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  1. nngu007

    nngu007 JF-Expert Member

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    Nationalisation in South Africa

    A debate that will persist

    Will the country's land and mines be nationalised? Who's to say?

    Dec 3rd 2011 | JOHANNESBURG | from the print edition

    Give us the mines

    THE nationalisation of mines in South Africa is a costly, high-risk proposition that should be adopted only as a last resort, an independent panel of experts is reported to have concluded after a year-long study of the policy in 14 countries. That verdict has not, however, ended a long-running and divisive debate. The ruling African National Congress (ANC), which commissioned the study, has sent the report back to the panel for redrafting, saying it wants "more options".

    The ANC's agreement to set up such an inquiry at all was seen as a victory for the party's powerful and militant Youth League. Under the slogan "economic freedom in our time", it has been pressing the government to take over at least 60% of all mines, without compensation, to distribute the country's wealth more fairly. This, the league argues, would accord with the 1955 Freedom Charter's call for "the mineral wealth beneath the soil…[to] be transferred to the people as a whole".

    But such voices have been drowned out by others, including the Confederation of South African Trade Unions, a key ANC ally, who see nationalisation of the mines as the perfect solution to South Africa's deepening economic and social woes.

    According to a Citigroup report, South Africa's mineral deposits, worth an estimated $2.5 trillion (excluding energy minerals), are the richest in the world. Yet a third of the country's 50m people are dirt-poor.Malusi Gigaba, the minister for public enterprises, has called the League's demands "reckless" and "cheap". Susan Shabangu, the mines minister, said the whole debate was a "fruitless exercise" that would not help solve the country's triple scourge of poverty, inequality and unemployment. The mines would not be nationalised in her lifetime, she said. Trevor Manuel, the country's widely respected former finance minister who is now the national planning minister, decried it all as a "seriously bad idea" requiring billions of dollars the government did not have.

    But as Mr Manuel's National Planning Commission points out in its "Vision for 2030" submitted to the government last month, the country's mining industry needs investment above all. During the commodity boom in 2001-2008, it shrank by an average of 1% a year, whereas the world's other top 20 mining-export countries grew by an average of 5% a year. In 1970 mining accounted for 21% of South Africa's GDP; now the figure is just 6%. The sector is even smaller than it was in 1994, when the ANC first came to power, though it still represents almost 60% of exports.

    Bobby Godsell, a former chairman of AngloGold Ashanti, the world's third-biggest gold-mining company, who is a member of Mr Manuel's commission, says the odds of South Africa's mines being nationalised are as remote as America's Federal Reserve Bank being abolished by the Republican Tea Party. The Youth League had developed "some unrealistic and unimplementable answers to some absolutely vital questions", he says.

    The ANC has asked the nationalisation panel to simplify its language, give more detail of other countries' experience and provide more options before submitting a final report early next year. What it really wants, many guess, is for the panel to soften its anti-nationalisation tone. After being debated at the ANC's policy conference next June, it will be submitted to the party's full conference for a vote in December next year. The uncertainty will persist until then and possibly beyond.

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    nngu007 JF-Expert Member

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    Militant UVCCM will be our only hope on our Mines and Land...

    We should not let what Zimbabwe and South African's natives are going through right now...

    Few the CREAM are getting richer owning Land and Mines and not the Majority...
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    Mchambuzi JF-Expert Member

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    Militant UVCCM?
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    Mbopo JF-Expert Member

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    Hivi wewe unaishi nchi hii? UVCCM itafanyaje hivyo wakati imewekwa mfukoni mwa wabia wa makampuni yanayodhulumu hizo rasilimali? Hivi unadhani fedha za kuwakodi kila wanapotakiwa kufanya vurugu dhidi ya viongozi wanaotaka kufikia maamuzi zinatoka wapi? Fungua macho uangaze huku na kule, siyo kukurupuka. Hakuna UVCCM hapa, kuna UVEL.
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    Masauni JF-Expert Member

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    Nashangaa sana kwa nini hii ngozi nyeusi haitaki kujifunza kupitia historia. Nchi jirani Zimbabwe inamatatizo kibao because of so called nationalization and land reform, black south africans wanataka the same!!!! kweli naamini africans we are short sighted!! Mnakumbuka enzi zile Zimbabwe inaitwa 'KAPU LA AFRIKA' leo hii wao waliokuwa wanasambaza shakula barani afrika wanakufa na njaa!! Zimbabwe central hospital iliyokuwa inasifika sana barani afrika mpaka baadhi ya madaktari wetu kutoka muhimbili wakawa wanakimbilia huko, leo inashindwa hata kutibu cholera!! SOUTH AFRICA NDO WANACHOTAKA HICHO!!!
    Most of black south africans are lazy, hawafanyi kabisa kazi hawa watu, wao ni kudemand tu, tunataka hiki tunataka kile... Hii nchi(south africa) inapoelekea ni kubaya sana na kibaya zaidi itaathili na nchi nyingi sana za kiafrika.
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    MtamaMchungu JF-Expert Member

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    Ngoja nijiulize swali kama mwanakijiji, is UVCCM still relevant? Hell no I would say, they have little or no influence over affairs within the party simply because they have nothing significant to offer. It was supposed to be the wing that sells the party to the youth, they have not done that perhaps it's because they have NOTHING TO SELL TO THE YOUTH.

    Hamna kitu mle, ni mkusanyiko wa walamba miguu na watoto wa vigogo wanaoota uongozi, nothing else.