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Afya ya Waziri.....

Discussion in 'Habari na Hoja mchanganyiko' started by pareto 8020, Mar 13, 2010.

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    pareto 8020 Member

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    Colleagues, I strongly feel that being anonymous and faceless should not make us heartless and careless. First & foremost we should appreciate that we are talking about sad situation that befallen to our fellow human being...yes a human like me & you, who happens to be somebody's father, husband, brother, friend and above all a good citizen of our beloved country. What is conspicuously missing from all the contributors to the thread about Mr Sumari’s health, is the sense of caring “not a single person started by wishing him well/quick recovery), indeed, this is not an African way, not even the Tanzania way of caring for the sick.

    Leaving the moral opinion aside let me comment on the incident. In my opinion we need all the facts about circumstances pertaining to the decision to evacuate Mr Sumari to Nairobi before we jump in to our guns and unleash our "critique/blame machinery"

    Definitely the media stated reason is a “no brainer” and mediocre reasoning. Before one engages in a blame game, we need to know the source of the story as well as its authenticity. We might also need to know the motive behind such silly explanation for medical evacuation...we all know that this is election year; anybody with any ill motives could distort any information to attack credibility of his or her opponents. In addition to that, of late we have been hearing unfounded reports about health of our leaders; actually in some cases the source being the government itself (am referring to Health Minister Report about the Former PM Warioba's health). In other circumstances people have gone as far as declaring demise of the leader's who are alive (Maalim Seif's incident). Let us not be swayed by such politically motivated propagandas.

    There is a saying that out of every dark cloud, there is a silver lining. The only silver lining that came out of this story is a chance to debate the state of our ‘health security’ in Tanzania.

    Indeed, majority of Tanzanians are neither secured nor insured when it comes to matters of healthcare. When I talk of majority, I mean more than 80% who leaves in the rural areas where there is little or no infrastructure and human resources for health. The 20%, who lives in the urban areas, are much better comparing to those in the rural areas because at least they have access to referral health facilities like Muhimbili, KCMC, Mbeya, Buganda and host of regional hospitals as well as private healthcare facilities. I appreciate the fact that the facilities I have mentioned are not the best of the lot when comparing to similar facilities in South Africa, India etc. At least they are there and they are doing a good job serving and saving millions of lives of our countrymen.

    In my view, the debate that is needed amongst the erudite in this forum, is how best could we address the public health challenges in our country, how do we create the health system that would provide improved access to 80% of our fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters and friends who are residing in the rural areas..
    By providing concrete ideas and experience, we would be doing service not only to our policy makers but to our countrymen..who are right now suffering for access to primary health care & our patriotic men and women in our country’s health force that are tirelessly serving their patients with limited resources avail to them.
    Our debate should be cognizant of the fact that access to healthcare is one of the most sensitive and expensive undertaking by any standards (as we have seen in the ongoing US healthcare reforms debate) and the fact that for a poor nation like Tanzania the situation is bound to be even more challenging.

    I rest my contribution by wishing well Mr. Sumari and all other countrymen who are not in best of health. We pray for their speedy recovery so that they may resume their duties of building our nation.
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    Injinia JF-Expert Member

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    OK, point taken.

    But lest you forget, there are other sick fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters and children out there. And they would all like to go to Nairobi, New Delhi and Johannesburg for treatment one day.
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    Al Zagawi JF-Expert Member

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    Una undugu na Sumari mkuu?

    Mbona wagonjwa wako wengi tu muhimbili mkuu...nenda wodi ya watoto kule..machozi yatakutoka...nenda mwananyamala mkuu...hali ni mbaya zaidi...

    Huyo Sumari ana bahati kama anaweza kwenda Nairobi kupata tiba..mikoani kuna watu wanashindwa hata kuja Muhimbili kupata kila msimu wanawapigia kura akina Sumari ili wawaletee maisha bora....

    Si kwamba hatumjali mh Sumari...bali ni tabia ambayo huyo Sumari na genge lake la CCM......wametufundisha....nasi hatushughulishwi na yanayowasibu kama ambavyo wao hawashughulishwi na yanayotusibu...
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    pareto 8020 Member

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    I entirely share agree with you Injinia...
    That is why I think there is a need to debate this issue with particular focus on:
    1) How does one build a world-class healthcare system that will cover all our father, mothers, brothers, sisters and friends.
    2) How does one set-up a sustainable social health insurance that will reach everyone especially the poor
    As regards your concern with the current trend of the leadership accessing health services abroad, I think it depict failure on our doesn’t make sense after more than 40 years of Independence, having trained a good number of doctors/specialists.....we have failed to put up a world-class infrastructure for them to serve their fellow citizens including the leaders ..... Afya za viongozi ni matter of national security...we can’t trust Western Foreign facilities and Foreign doctors 100%....ndio maana hata nchi nyingine masikini kama sisi....pamoja na kwamba bado viongozi wao wanatibiwa nje...wanapendelea ku access such care nchi kama Morocco na Saudi ( Omar Bongo, Yaradua, Captain Camara case in point) ambapo chances za nchi hizo kuwa na hidden motives za kudhuru viongozi wa Afrika ni ndogo...
    To use Founding Father’s slogan...nia tunayo....sababu tunazo....uwezo is possible to put up such facility......let us retrain our specialists wapate skills za kisasa zinazoendana na karne ya sayansi na teknolojia ya sasa, let us pay them well......let us motivate and give incentives to our young doctors and nurses to work in primary health centres in the rural areas so that the 80% of Tanzanians could get access to better care...
    We could make a deliberate policy that any medical and nursing graduate...lazima a spend first two years za career yake huko kwenye primary health return tuwapatie vitendea kazi, nyumba za kuishi na mafao ambayo yapo attractive...(believe me, they will go and work...tukiwapa maslahi---mbona MADC wanakwenda wanapopangiwa kazi, kwanini isiwe madaktari?- ni maslahi!)
    In my opinion this is how the debate should go.....
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    Fidel80 JF-Expert Member

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    Wewe unautani na kazi za watu DC anafanya kazi wilayani kwenye umeme maji yanatililika kwenye mabomba umeme upo na kila kitu kipo daktari mnamwambia aende kijijini huko magari yenyewe hayapiti, umeme hakuna akaishi nyumba ya nyasi na haijasakafiwa alafu mnakuja vislogan visivyo tekelezeka eti Maisha bora kwa kila mtanzania.
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    Bulesi JF-Expert Member

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    Nyumba ya DC ni ILUKU ya wilayani!! Mkuu wa nchi akija kutembelea wilaya , mahala ambapo hakuna official IKULU ; DC na familia yake lazima wahame hapo nyumbani kumpisha mwenye nchi!!
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    Injinia JF-Expert Member

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    Nafikiri anachosema Pareto ni kuwa madaktari wakitengenezewa mazingira sawa na maDC watakubali kwenda wilayani na pembezoni mwa nchi
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    Ila kuna wilaya ambazo nyumba za MaDC haziko katika hadhi za pale jumba jeupe, hapa sijui inakuwaje