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1,000,000 >>>50MPs Zanzibar :40,000,000>>>>189MPs Bara

Discussion in 'Jukwaa la Siasa' started by Kashaijabutege, Nov 12, 2010.

  1. Kashaijabutege

    Kashaijabutege JF-Expert Member

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    Wabunge wa Zanzibar katika Bunge la Jamhuri ya Muungano wa Tanzania ni wengi mno ukilinganisha na idadi ya watu katika kisiwa hicho.

    1,000,000/50=20,000
    40,000,000/189=211,640!

    211,640/20,000=10.586. Ikiwa na maana kuwa wastani wa watu katika jimbo moja la Tanzania bara ni sawa na majimbo zaidi ya 10 ya Zanzibar.
     
  2. IsangulaKG

    IsangulaKG Verified User

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    Ulitaka iweje au hoja yako ya msingi hapa ni ipi?
     
  3. Mungi

    Mungi JF Gold Member

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    Dawa ni kupunguza idadi ya majimbo ya zanzibar, wanakula kodi zetu hovyo.
     
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    Mtabe JF-Expert Member

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    Dawa ni kuvunja muungano tu.
     
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    mtemiwao JF-Expert Member

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    Hawana tija wanatumia kodi zetu bure let em go
     
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    Naona umeenda mbali zaidi.
     
  7. Wacha1

    Wacha1 JF-Expert Member

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    Tulikwisha sema tangu zamani Zanzibar ni kisiwa cha Viongozi - ukitaka uongozi chap chap hamia Zenji
     
  8. The Dreamer

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    Hasara kwa taifa. Zanzibar wabunge 4 wangetosha: 1 pemba na 3 Unguja. Dawa kuchinja Muungano
     
  9. Kaa la Moto

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    Muungano ni vema uwepo lakini uwiano wa uwakilishi ndipo shida ilipo! Watanganyika tunatkiwa ku query hili
     
  10. Lenana

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    naona sasa watanganyika wameamka big up kwa mwanzisha mada wanavuna pasipo kupanda hawa na mbaya zaidi hawaendelezi kwao nilikwishasema zanzibar kuna siri iliyofichika kata za tanganyika zanzibar ni jimbo vigezo gani wametumia hawa mafisadi!
     
  11. M

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    Mkuu hata sikuelewi, Marekani ina watu zaidi ya millioni 250 unafikiri ilihitaji wabunge wangapi?
     
  12. MTWA

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    Sioni tatizo maana hata hawa wa bara hakuna la maana. Ni bora tu turudishe majimbo machache ya zamani
     
  13. MTWA

    MTWA JF-Expert Member

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    Asilimia 80 ya wabunge wote wa TZ hawana Tija na hasa wale wa CCM
    Mabwege wooote
     
  14. Xuma

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    Marekani watu 250 milioni china zaidi ya 1000milioni??????????????????????????
    hapa tunaongelea Tanzania na mstakabali wa Tanganyika.
     
  15. Mwiba

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    Hivi waliokwenda Zanzibar kubadili matokeo saa nane za usiku ni akina nani ,na walitaka watu wapigane wakatae matokeo lakini wapi,mipango ilikwisha onekana mapema ssana ,wamepigwa na chini ,na sasa watu hao wanaondoka kwa gear kubwa Maraisi watatu .:yield:
     
  16. PatPending

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    Hili suala ni zito na lina utata mkubwa sana hususani unapozungumzia maslahi ya taifa kwa ujumla. Haingii akilini pale penye mwakilishi kutoa pia mbunge, hali hii inaleta maswali mengi sana kuhusiana na aina ya kazi anazofanya mwakilishi na mbunge na pia uwezekano wa kuingiliana kazi.

    Kuna baadhi ya wabunge wa Zanzibar wanaingina bungeni kwa kupigiwa kura na watu wasiozidi 2000 ilihali huku Bara hiyo ni idadi ya watu katika kijiji kimoja tu. Siwalaumu Wazanzibari kwa kupata uroda huu maana hakuna mwanadamu akataye ubwete

    Lakini haya ndio matunda ya katiba mbovu na watawala ambao wako tayari kugawa "peremende" kwa yeyote yule ili mradi waweze kuendelea kutawala.

    Ingefaa kama ni wabunge kila mkoa wa Zanzibar utoe mbunge mmoja tu.
     
  17. R

    Rugemeleza Verified User

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    Hii ni hoja na nilikwisha wahi kupambana na Prof. Ali Mazrui kupitia gazeti la Nation mwaka 1994. Hakuna sabsbu yoyote ile ya msingi kwa Zanzibar kuwa na wawakilishi wengi si tu katika bunge la muungano bali pia katika baraza la wawakilishi. Huu ni utapanyaji wa raslimali za nchi.

    Hoja ya kuwa Zanzibar iwakilishwe kikamilifu katika bunge la muungano haiendani na kuwa na utitiri wa wabunge. Kwa kigezo kuwa mbunge wa kuchaguliwa awakilishe walau watu laki moja na nusu hadi mbili Zanzibar ilitakiwa iwe na wabunge sita. Ukilegeza kigezo hicho na kusema basi iwe na uwakilishi wa kutosha wabunge wake wasingezidi 20. Na kwa vile wanatokea katika sehemu moja ya muungano basi mamlaka yao kikatiba yangebakia yale yale kama yalivyoainishwa kwenye Katiba. Hivyo wanakuwa na uwakilishi unaofaa na nguvu kamili. Ikimaanisha kwamba kama muswada unatakiwa kupitishwa na idadi fulani ya wabunge kutoka Zanzibar basi idadi au asilimia hiyo inapatikana kutokana na wabunge hao wa Zanzibar. Sasa suala hili la kuwa na mbunge mmoja anawakilisha watu elfu nne ni kitu ambacho hakiingii akilini hata kidogo. Kama walitarajia kuwa Wazanzibar watanyamazishwa kwa kupendelewa na kuwa na watu wengi bungeni hilo wamenoa. Huwezi ukamnyamazisha watu kwa kuwapa upendeleo kwani kesho wale walioupata upendeleo huo wanaamini kabisa kuwa ule haukuwa upendeleo bali haki yao.

    Kwa mfano hapo Marekani Jimbo dogo la Delaware lina mjumbe mmoja tu (idadi ya watu ni 885,000) katika Baraza la Wawakilishi. Na jimbo la Hawaii lina wawakilishi wawili wakiwawakilisha watu 1,295,000. Ni wazi kuwa kuna haja ya kupanga upya kabisa idadi ya wabunge kutoka Zanzibar. Vilevile kuna haja ya kuangalia majimbo mengine bara ambayo yalimegwa kwa ajili ya kuwalinda wanasiasa fulani na kukomoa vyama vya ushindani. Haya ni kama majimbo ya Hai na Sia pamoja na ya Singida Mashariki na Kaskazini. Ni lazima tuwe watu makini na tusitapanye pesa zetu kwa ajili ya kutaka kupata sifa au kuwatuliza watu fulani kwani kiu yao ya kupata zaidi haitakwisha.
     
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    Nani kwani anaeshikilia kuwepo kwa Muungano????
     
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    kwa hiyo zanzibar wanatunyonya?kama wanatunyonya wanatunyonyaje hali ya kuwa wao wanategea TANZANIA na sisi ndo baba na mtoto humohumo
     
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    Jamani msisahau kama Zanzibar ni nchi na hata kama wako 100,000 hili linabakia vile vile...Tuangalie kule UN kwanini zile nchi zenye idadi kubwa ya watu bado zina kiti kimaja kama nchi zenye idadi ya watu kidogo...
     
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