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Why Tanzanians fear EAC federation

Discussion in 'International Forum' started by Makaimati, Apr 23, 2011.

  1. Makaimati

    Makaimati JF-Expert Member

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    As more countries show interest in joining the East African Community (EAC), the Minister for East African Cooperation, Samwel Sitta yesterday said that many Tanzanians fear losing their national identity in political integration.

    Speaking after launching the Tanzania National Chapter of EAC Vision Group in Dar es Salaam, Sitta said some people are worried that what has been happening between Tanzania Mainland and Zanzibar might also happen in the community.

    "Tanzanians fear losing their national identities. Others worry that the current confusion between Tanzania Mainland and Zanzibar may persist once the integration is realised", he said.

    Sitta named the four countries which have expressed interests to join the EAC bloc as Ethiopia, Somalia, Southern Sudan and the Democratic Republic of Congo.

    He said Southern Sudan is expected to officially join the community on July 1st, this year and that only its official request is awaited.

    According to the Minister, other concerns is the increasing competition for jobs, land grabbing and economic panic, whereby all the countries will have to agree on inflation rates, financial policies and have similar budget plans.

    He however called for transparent and enhanced participation of youth and civil organisations in discussions of EAC matters. He said many people are not aware of what was going on in the government and the community.

    Sitta said there was no need of too much confidentiality in EAC issues since the government is deciding on people's interest.

    "You can't decide on behalf of the people and deny them access to such information. Most of the citizens are ignorant of the issues in the Union. They only hear about them through the media", he said.

    He said people's fears arise from the lack of information. He said the inclusion of youths in discussions is crucial since they are the ones who will benefit from the integration.

    "One of my top agendas is to enhance youth participations in EAC matters. The Community is for the youth", he stressed.

    He said good governance and democracy are synonymous with economic growth and development. Countries that pursue good governance and democracy are likely to achieve higher economic growth than totalitarian regimes.

    "Good governance and democracy are only relevant if they spring from the people and become embedded in their minds and vision…..democracy can neither be exported or imported like a commodity", said the Minister.

    He applauded the Friedrich-Ebert Stiftung for supporting the formation of the EAC vision group which is envisaged to be regional platform and source of ideas on the appropriate approaches on regional integration.

    Meanwhile, Friedrich-Ebert Stiftung Resident Director, Dr Stefan Chrobot said their aim was to create a group of people who will come up with concrete ideas on how to improve integration.

    He said the group comprised academicians, youths and representatives from civil society organizations.
    One of the participants, Maswe Nestory from the Tanzania Association of NGOs (TANGO) blamed the government for poor information flow. He said that most of the useful information is kept secret.

    "The government should put in place proper mechanism to involve people and civil organisations at every stage", he said.

    Gwakisa Makaranga from the East African Community Youth Organisation decried poor communication between the responsible ministry and civil organisations. He called on the government to ensure that Tanzanians are well represented in EAC meetings.

    In their just ended summit in Dar es Salaam, East African Community Heads of State directed a team of experts working on political federation to come up with recommendations on ways to address public fears over political federation.

    In a joint communiqué read by the outgoing EAC Secretary General, Ambassador Juma Mwapachu, the leaders said that the experts' report presented to them was short of such recommendations.

    They urged the experts to complete and present the report during the next EAC Heads of State summit to be held in Bujumbura, Burundi in September this year.


    SOURCE: THE GUARDIAN
     
  2. The Quonquerer

    The Quonquerer JF-Expert Member

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    Another EPA in the making. Mkitaka Tanzania iwe Somalia, ungana na hawa matahira. Watu wakichoka amani, huwa wanaanza hivi. We can only "trade" but not federate!
     
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    Nonda JF-Expert Member

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    Mkuu.
    Wacha woga.
    Kwa nini tunataka kudumisha Muungano na Zanzibar na hata tunataka serikali moja lakini tunaogopa soko kubwa na kutanua uwezekano wa raia wetu kujisogeza katika sehemu nyengine kuchangamkia maisha au kujifunza mbinu za maisha?

    Tutaendelea kuimba tu, maisha bora kwa kila mtanzania huku tukigawiana umaskini?

    Muungano ni jambo jema. Lakini tungeanza na ku-federate na Zanzibar kwanza.
    Bado tunayo nafasi ya kuonesha mfano ,kwa kubadilisha mfumo wa Muungano wetu na halafu kuendelea katika federation kubwa.
     
  4. Kibanga Ampiga Mkoloni

    Kibanga Ampiga Mkoloni JF-Expert Member

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    Wanacho ogopa Watanzania kwenye EAC ndicho wanacholia leo Wazanzibari kuhusu Muungano!
     
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    inols JF-Expert Member

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    So much secrecy with this so called EAC, if the intention is to come up with federation, this must be moonshine dream/talk, the countries are so much fragmented socially, economically and politically. Its better that so called Perpetrators of EAC, tell us the terms of agreements because there is no way we can decide on this blindly. So much is at stake here especially for Tanzanians, because of poor information dissemination flow. Please over please my fellow tanzanians let us not make decision on this blind folded whlist we want to become a laughingstock for the generation to come, with no identity.
     
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    Stuxnet JF-Expert Member

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    Political union au Supranation union with our neighbours Kenya and Uganda big NO. We are only ready for common market because even the longest and strongest regional cooperations like EU and ECOWAS have not reached there! We have to ask ourselves why our neighbours are hurriedly preaching for political union? We have a lot of differences economically and socially, and we should not spoil our identity and history just for the sake of pleasing some demagogues. We would rather stay poor economically but proud of our national culture and tranquility.
     
  7. Habdavi

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    why are we dragged so hastely into federation is because kenyans have the upper hand economically and they want to make us mere servants while they hold higher stake on deciding how we should live. A big no! For that.
     
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    I hear you bro....loud and clear! But even by uniting with them will never solve our economic woes. We are on equal footing, or probably they are worse. Land is our only bargaining and that's what they want!
     
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    The Quonquerer JF-Expert Member

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    In Red: That is both debatable and relative.Their Unemployment hovers around 40%, all neighbors want to offload their armies of unemployed to grab land and settle in Tanzania. Population pressure is secret behind all this hastening!
     
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    Stuxnet JF-Expert Member

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    All institutions that are managed by Kenyan CEOs have an agenda to descriminate Tzanians on pretext that major share holding is from Kenya. I have been several times to various parts of Nairobi and on sveral occassions I have tried to shop for Tanzanian made goods like Safari Lager, Konyagi, Africafe etc but I xoulnt manage to get one because of the extended xenophobia against Tanzanian made goods. The only way you can describe their ego is justfied by seeing the 2008 post election massacres
     
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    blame it on the Kenyans. :fear::fear::fear:

    i love it.
     
  12. Kobello

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    Im with it as far as only tanzanians can own land in tanzania.
     
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    DrMosha Member

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    In Tanzania we have hundreds of Kenyan firms trading freely. We have far more Ugandan nationals in TZ than you will find Tanzanians in Uganda. It is a fact that Kenya and Uganda have always been ahead of Tz in education, trade and commerce. Do we have a level playing field then? Who is rushing who?
    For who's benefit?
     
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    Dr,
    I have witnessed with my own eyes university graduates from kenya team up to form firms which today are doing business across their national boarders. Unemployment is not a new phenomenon to them which in my opinion is the driving force.
     
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    nomasana JF-Expert Member

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    there is no xenophobia against Tanzanian goods in Kenya. first of all Tanzania doesn't produce much in terms of manufactured goods compared to Kenya. it is a matter of economic sense, why would a retailer import manufactured goods from TZ while you can find the same goods made in Kenya without the transportation costs.

    east Africa breweries is based in Kenya so why would Kenyans import any sort of Tanzanian liquor or beer??? Kenya produces waaay more tea and almost as much coffee than TZ while ketepa tea is sold worldwide so again why would Kenya import these goods from Tanzania??? Kenya supplies other eastern and central African countries with beer liquor tea and coffee not the other round because the economics dictate that!

    that said, Kenya IMPORTS alot of raw materials and food such from TZ also kenya IMPORTS transformers from the company in TZ.

    when it comes to economics Kenyans and companies in Kenya do not discriminate all that matters is what makes the most business sense.
     
  16. Evmem

    Evmem Senior Member

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    Kazi ipo:shut-mouth:
     
  17. The Quonquerer

    The Quonquerer JF-Expert Member

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    Can you back that with statistics to substantiate your claim? Even though, are those UGs and Knys present in Tanzania offer the skills that Tanzanians lack? Are the common market schedules of offers observed? Mark you, getting a job isn't necessarily about skills. Can you prove it that 99.9% of those workers aren't illegal.? We only need these people for their English in nursery and primary schools, in my opinion.
     
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    Tatizo wengine wanaleta story za vijiweni hapa.......... They just utter words without giving the emperical evidence.........nawasikitikia sana....

    Kuhusu shirikisho.......Ndugu yangu The Quonquerer, tuliongea sana kipindi cha nyuma na tulibishana sana na akina smatta, realDeal na wenzake.....

    Sisi watanzania hatutaki shirikisho kwa sababu si suruhisho la matatizo yetu... mfano shirikisho linaweza kutusaidiaje kuondoa ufisadi....wezi wa mali ya umma....

    Shirikisho is not our preority..... that is pure and simple......
     
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    Konyagi na safari lager ingeweza pita kooni mwetu freely, kama vile tusker na vileo vingine labda due to demand watu wange import, vile vile bidhaa zingine zingekuwa zina apeal ama ziko superior than what we already have in our market, then hiyo demand ya hizo bidhaa inge lead to imports.

    Msiseme mnaekewa bottle necks ku export bidhaa zenyu Kenya wakati in reality the only export that did well in Kenya is white dent (of which am not a hundred % sure if its Tanzanian) and Ngetwa (those herbal remedies) and your Bongo flava and Taarab (Albata).. concentrate on this four things and you'll make paper, leave the manufacturing and professionals like IT to us..
     
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    YEAH THIS IS NOT TZAN 100% LIKE UNILIVER IN UR COUNTRY...............

    About Bongo fleva..... that is our way to spread our mentality and sphere of influence across the region......Bongo fleva ni kali kokote uendako, lazima ukutane na midundo ya bongo....

    Karibu sana smatta...

     
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