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why so many terrorist have engineering degrees?

Discussion in 'Habari na Hoja mchanganyiko' started by Edo, Dec 30, 2009.

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    Edo JF-Expert Member

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    By Benjamin Popper.

    Engineering is not a profession most people associate with religion. The concrete trade of buildings and bridges seems grounded in the secular principles of science. But the failed attack this Christmas by mechanical engineer Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was a reminder that the combination has a long history of producing violent radicals.

    The anecdotal evidence has always been strong. The mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, Mohamed Atta, was an architectural engineer. Khalid Sheikh Mohamed got his degree in mechanical engineering. Two of the three founders of Lashkar-e-Taibi, the group believed to be behind the Mumbai attacks, were professors at the University of Engineering and Technology in Lahore.

    A paper (PDF) released this summer by two sociologists, Diego Gambetta and Steffen Hertog, adds empirical evidence to this observation. The pair looked at more than 400 radical Islamic terrorists from more than 30 nations in the Middle East and Africa born mostly between the 1950s and 1970s. Earlier studies had shown that terrorists tend to be wealthier and better-educated than their countrymen, but Gambetta and Hertog found that engineers, in particular, were three to four times more likely to become violent terrorists than their peers in finance, medicine or the sciences. The next most radicalizing graduate degree, in a distant second, was Islamic Studies.

    So what's with all the terrorist-engineers? The simple explanation is that engineering happens to be an especially popular field of study in the countries that produce violent radicals. But Gambetta and Hertog corrected for national enrollment numbers in engineering programs and got similar results. Even among Islamic terrorists born or raised in the West, nearly 60 percent had engineering backgrounds.

    Another possible explanation would be that engineers possess technical skills and architectural know-how that makes them attractive recruits for terrorist organizations. But the recent study found that engineers are just as likely to hold leadership roles within these organizations as they are to be working hands-on with explosives. In any case, their technical expertise may not be that useful, since most of the methods employed in terrorist attacks are rudimentary. It's true that eight of the 25 hijackers on 9/11 were engineers, but it was their experience with box cutters and flight school, not fancy degrees, that counted in the end.

    Gambetta and Hertog propose that a lack of appropriate jobs in their home countries may have radicalized some engineers in Arab countries. The graduates they studied came of age at a time when a degree from a competitive technical program was supposed to provide a guarantee of high-status employment. But the promises of modernization and development were often stymied by repression and corruption, and many young engineers in the 1980s were left jobless and frustrated. One exception was Saudi Arabia, where engineers had little trouble finding work in an ever-expanding economy. As it happens, Saudi Arabia is also the only Arab state where the study found that engineers are not disproportionately represented in the radical movement.

    What else might account for the radical, violent politics of so many former engineering students? Is there some set of traits that makes engineers more likely to participate in acts of terrorism? To answer this question, Gambetta and Hertog updated a study that was first published in 1972, when a pair of researchers named Seymour Lipset and Carl Ladd surveyed the ideological bent of their fellow American academics. According to the original paper, engineers described themselves as "strongly conservative" and "deeply religious" more often than professors in any other field. Gambetta and Hertog repeated this analysis for data gathered in 1984, so it might better match up with their terrorist sample. They found similar results, with 46 percent of the (male American) engineers describing themselves as both conservative and religious, compared with 22 percent of scientists.

    Gambetta and Hertog write about a particular mind-set among engineers that disdains ambiguity and compromise. They might be more passionate about bringing order to their society and see the rigid, religious law put forward in radical Islam as the best way of achieving those goals. In online postings, Abdulmutallab expressed concern over the conflict between his secular lifestyle and more extreme religious views. "How should one put the balance right?" he wrote.

    Terrorist organizations seem to have recognized this proclivity—in Abdulmutallab, obviously, but also among engineers in general. A 2005 report from British intelligence noted that Islamic extremists were frequenting college campuses, looking for "inquisitive" students who might be susceptible to their message. In particular, the report noted, they targeted engineers.


    http://www.slate.com/id/2240157/
     
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    mpwa wa ukweli Goeff hebu okoa jahazi sijui ni taw gani la wahandisi ndo nguli w ahii kitu!!!
     
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    Uchokozi mwingine bana! Ngoja tu tuvumilie manake hasira zikipanda presha huwa inapanda na kushuka!
     
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    ENGINEERS ndiyo chachu ya kila mafanikio kwenye nchi yoyote

    nitaanza na mfano wa kawaida sana:COLLINA-refa aliyechezesha kombe la dunia ni CIVIL ENGINEER
     
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    kwa hiyo na terorizm ni mafanikio au unataka kusemaje hapo mpwa ??/
     
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    Hawa have the know how ya ku-deal the technical issues za hivi vyombo hasa Mechanical and electrical engineers. Hebu akina jamii ya Mh. Mwandosya miminikeni hapa mtujuze. Maana wale wa 9/11 nao walikuwa wamefuzu kozi za aina hii na kuongezea na urubani. Mtatumaliza jamani moslems.
     
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    meaning???
     
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    Nenda kamuulize Joji Bushi kilichomtokea. Wahandisi wasiozidi 15 wamelitingisha taifa tajiri kuliko yote duniani! Dont play With Engineers! Wakiamua, hii dunia haitakalika!
     
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    unaweza kuta ni watu wa COMPUTER ENDINEERING,au watu wa I.T,....
    sasa mtu wa I.T au injinia wa kompyuter mimi SIMTAMBUI
     
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    RAIS WA REAL MADRID F.C ni civil engineer

    anaheshimika kuliko rais wao
     
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    Mr. Bean=Electrical Engineer
    Benjamin Netanyahu=Architecture
     
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    Ni swali muhimu kwani linaowana na hili la Watumishi wa jesus (wachungaji) wachungaji wengi wa Makanisa ndio Vinara wa kuwalawiti watoto wa kiume wakiwa ndani ya jumba ya Kuabudia.(chuch)jee kuna link zozote baina ya matendo yao na jumba la kuabudia?
     
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    nipe basi nambari yake ya simu au barua pepe plz shemeji
     
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    An aircraft is an Engineering-product, hope there is no doubt on that!

    Na engineers wengi (ukiacha Geoff wa hapa ndani) ni watu wa kujiproud sana, na wanaona wana uwezo wa ku'pioneer kila kitu chini ya jua.:)
    Lakini, the saddest story starts when they engage themselves in engineering of suicide!...hapo ndo ninapowaona wanatoka sayari mpya!...lo.!
     
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    Unajua mhandisi anaweza kuwa mhasibu, mwanasheria, mwandishi wa habari, mkuu wa mkoa, refarii, jenerali wa jeshi, lakini hao wote hawawezi kuwa wahandisi, labda wapate kibali toka kwa Mungu! Unafanya mchezo na makalkulesheni?
     
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    Vipi PJ, Una mashaka na hilo? Au unalipinga?
     
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    lakini mkuu TUACHENI MASIHARA!....
    engineers are the key-guys in this life.tuwe honest

    enewei,TOA MFANO WA ENGINEERING OF SUICIDE!

    ANGALIZO:Sir Isaac Newton alikuwa injinia ALIYEBOBEA.R.I.P my guy
     
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    hapo mpwa umejichomoa I can see....
     
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    Teamo JF-Expert Member

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    hizo kazi tajwa hapo juu INJINIA anakuwa trained in hours ANAINGIA MZIGONI,kwasababu kwenye kozi za ma-injinia hivyo vyote vinasomwa tena kwa juhudu kuu.

    niliwahi kupitia mtaala wa SHERIA,SIKUWAHI KUONA HAWA WATU KWENYE KOZI ZAO WAKISOMEA DESIGN-OF STRUCTURES....

    lakini injinia anasoma basics zote za sheria

    mimi hapa nilipo nipo dipu kwenye:
    LEGAL METHOD
    CONTRACT LAW
    CONSTITUTIONAL LAW
    etc
     
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    Teamo JF-Expert Member

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    kazi unayoifanya bahati INJINIA anakuwa trained in one hour,ANAKUFUKUZISHA KAZI!kazi yangu mimi wewe HATA YESU AKIRUDI HAPA,HUTATHUBUTU.....
     
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