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Why jews change names, deny or hide their identities?

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  1. Sijali

    Sijali JF-Expert Member

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    One of them is the current Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu , who was born in Sudan in 1949 and his real name is Atallah bin Abdulrahman Shaul Netanyahu, of jewish parents who are still living in Sudan today.
    They own farms and export their produce to many countries including Australia, some Western countries as well as Africa. Netanyahu''s family still reside in Sudan and carry the Sudanese nationality.

    In 1996, both Sudan and Egypt shed light on the Sudanese Jew who grew up and was educated in Sudan. On Aug. 7, 1996, the Egyptian magazine Akher Saa published a lengthy article on the biography of the prime minister of Israel and head of the Likud Party. Benjamin Netanyahu was born in Sudan in 1949 and lived with his family there until he was 16 years old. He then travelled to the United States to complete his university studies.
    The magazine said that Netanyahu''s father and uncle are still living and working in Sudan and deal in trade (import and export). Until 1965, Netanyahu was known as Atallah Bin Abdulrahman.

    Netanyahu was born in 1949 in Halouf; east of Karima in the Marwa province, as Atallah Bin Abdulrahman Shaul Netanyahu. Netanyahu's father had a shop and farms in Sudan and that he used to export produce to Europe and Australia. Atallah Bin Abdulrahman (Bînyamin Netanyahu) was an introvert during his schooling days in Sudan. Netanyahu speaks Arabic fluently as he was educated at an English school that taught both the Arabic and English languages.

    Netanyahu''s family first arrived in Sudan with other Greek and Jewish families who settled in Sudan and worked in the garment business, industry, banking, agriculture as well as selling alcohol. These communities were living in northern Sudan when President Jaafar AlـNimeiri prohibited the sale of alcohol and Netanyahu''s father had to shut his pub down which was next to his other shops.

    Netanyahu''s father and uncle and their families are still living in Sudan but Netanyahu has never ever admitted
    publicly that he was born and lived in Sudan. Netanyahu''s family is still working in Sudan because they don''t have to pay taxes but if they travel to the U.S. or Israel, they will have to pay heavy taxes. They also live in Sudan because Muslims respect the followers of other religions and never harm them. Netanyahu has never spoken about his life in Sudan and pretends not to know Arabic!


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    Mkuu mbona bado anajulikana kama Natanyahu na wala hajaficha chochote, haya mambo ya background zake ana hiari ya kueleza Dunia au kukaa kimya. Tusisahau kwamba Wayahudi wanaishi sehemu mbali mbali duniani, kwa mfano: Africa wako Morroco, Egypt, Sudan, South Africa hata hapa Tanzania, wapo Middle East (Iraq,Iran nk), wapo Ulaya ya Magharibi na Mashariki especially Russia, wapo Merikani ya kasikazini na kusini. Kwa hiyo Natanyahu kuzaliwa au kuwa na wazazi wake Sudan si jambo la ajabu.
     
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    Hata kama hii habari ni kweli itasaidia nn? Au ni ujiko Myahudi kujua Kiarabu? Kweli dunia ina mambo......hapa ndipo huwa nakubali jews ni zaidi ya wanadamu wa kawaida! Watu wanahangaika ili a-admit kuwa kazaliwa Sudan! Then What? Vp hamjui hata yule rais wa Israel kabla Peres alizaliwa Iran? Au hiyo siyo habarai ya kuweka hapa?
     
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    Sideeq JF-Expert Member

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    Tanzania sehemu gani na uongo wako?!
     
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    Wako kibao Arusha. We unakaa huko kwa Mtogole unadhani unaijua Tanzania yote. Arusha wanalo hadi synagogi lao japo ni nyumbani kwa mwenzao.
     
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    Sideeq JF-Expert Member

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    "Kibao" wangapi? hiyo nyumba iko mtaa gani Arusha na huyo mwenzao ni nani mzushi mkubwa wewe?
     
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    i am among them, na tupo wengi sana tz na hata humu jf,,
     
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    iran kuna jewish society kubwa sana na ni moja ya society yenye influence kubwa kwny maamuzi ya kisiasa iran..., kama unabisha just google,
     
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    Compare Sijali story:

    Netanyahu was born in 1949 in Halouf; east of Karima in the Marwa province, as Atallah Bin Abdulrahman Shaul Netanyahu. Netanyahu's father had a shop and farms in Sudan and that he used to export produce to Europe and Australia. Atallah Bin Abdulrahman (Bînyamin Netanyahu) was an introvert during his schooling days in Sudan. Netanyahu speaks Arabic fluently as he was educated at an English school that taught both the Arabic and Englis


    And this source from wikipedia

    Netanyahu was born in 1949 in Tel Aviv to Zila (née Segal; 1912–2000) and professor Benzion Netanyahu (b. 1910 in Warsaw, Poland), the middle of three children. He was initially raised and educated in Jerusalem. Between 1956 and 1958, and again in 1963–67,[9] his family lived in the United States in Cheltenham, Pennsylvania, a suburb of Philadelphia, where he attended and graduated from the Cheltenham High School and was active in a debate club. To this day, he speaks American English with a Philadelphia accent.[10]

    After graduating from high school in 1967, Netanyahu returned to Israel to enlist in the IDF. He trained as a combat soldier and became a team leader in an elite special forces unit of the IDF, Sayeret Matkal. He was involved in many missions, including the rescue of the hijacked Sabena Flight 571 in May 1972 in which he was wounded by friendly fire.[11] He took part in numerous cross-border assault raids during the War of Attrition. During the 1973 Yom Kippur War, he fought in special forces raids along the Suez Canal, and then led a commando team deep into Syrian territory.

    After his army service Netanyahu returned to the United States, studied and earned a B.S. degree in architecture from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology[12] in 1975, an M.S. degree from the MIT Sloan School of Management in 1977. At that time he changed his name to Benjamin Ben Nitai (Nitai, a reference to both Mount Nitai and to the eponymous Jewish sage Nittai of Arbela, was a pen name often used by his father for articles).[10] Years later, in an interview with the media, Netanyahu clarified that he decided to do so to make it easier for Americans to pronounce his name. This fact has been used by his political rivals to accuse him indirectly of a lack of Israeli national identity and loyalty.[13]

    In 1976 Netanyahu lost his older brother Yonatan Netanyahu, who served as the commander of the elite Israeli army commando unit Sayeret Matkal and was killed in action during the counter-terrorism hostage-rescue mission Operation Entebbe in which his unit rescued more than 100 hostages hijacked and flown to the Entebbe Airport in Uganda.









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    Why this appears? Jee, sijali ni one of the moderators na tools zake zime appear?

     
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    Nimesema hata Tanzania wapo sina maana kwamba kuna mkoa au Wilaya ambapo wako-confined - kwani Tanzania hakuna Wahindi, Warabu,Wachina, Waingereza nk. Sasa wewe unaona ajabu gani nikisema na hapa kwetu JEWS wapo! Wewe tatizo lako ni nini idadi au? Alafu usilete lugha zako za mitaani hapa, kuwa mstaarabu kidogo it costs you nothing.
     
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    sayeret matkal=serat macau..., mtoa mada aliamua kwa makusudi kupotosha umma..., gieni shmol taetan.., kitev holum nadie...., haifa,,, shalom!
     
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    sayeret matkal inatamkwa serat macau..., cia assets za middle east hua wanaenda betseeba kufundwa na hawa watu.., negev desert kule
     
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    Strange! Is he a neither nor like a BAT or something?
     
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    sasa unabisha nn wewe kilaza? Njoo hapa uzunguni karibu na tingatinga utawakuta wa kutosha. Au unaona ajabu jews kuwepo hapa tz? Haujui kuwa Sinclair yule wa barick rafiki wa jk ni jew? Au utatoka roho ukisikia wao ndio wanasomba dhahabu yenu?
     
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    Sideeq JF-Expert Member

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    Kila mtu anaweza kudai kitu chochote kile, kinachohitajika ni ushahidi ile uaminike!
    Halafu "humu JF" una maanisha nini? uongozi wa Jf?, Wamiliki au members?...fafanua
     
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    Soma article hii kutoka wikipedia juu ya mkabila 10 ya wana wa Israel yaliyopotea miaka 70BC;

    Since at least the 17th century both Jews and Christians have proposed theories concerning the Lost Tribes, based to varying degrees on Biblical accounts. An Ashkenazi Jewish tradition speaks of these tribes as Die Roite Yiddelech, "The little red Jews", cut off from the rest of Jewry by the legendary river Sambation "whose foaming waters raise high up into the sky a wall of fire and smoke that is impossible to pass through".

    The Portuguese traveller Antonio de Montezinos brought back reports that some of the Lost Tribes were living among the Native Americans of the Andes in South America. In response to this, Menasseh ben Israel, a noted rabbi of Amsterdam, wrote on December 23, 1649:

    ... I think that the Ten Tribes live not only there ... but also in other lands scattered everywhere; these never did come back to the Second Temple and they keep till this day still the Jewish Religion.
    Menasseh actually published in Spanish and in Latin in 1649 in Amsterdam a book about Montezinos' narrative. An English translation of it with the title The Hope of Israel was also published in London in 1650. In it Menasseh argued, and for the first time tried to give scholarly support in European thought and printing, to the theory that the native inhabitants of America at the time of the European discovery were actually descendants of the [lost] Ten Tribes of Israel.

    In 1655, Menasseh ben Israel petitioned Oliver Cromwell to allow the Jews to return to England. (Since the Edict of Expulsion in 1290, Jews had been prohibited by law from living in England.) One of the reasons for Cromwell's alleged interest in the return of the Jews to England was the abundance at the time of theories relating to the end of the world. Many of these ideas were fixed upon the year 1666 and the Fifth Monarchy Men who were looking for the return of Jesus as the Messiah who would establish a final kingdom to rule the physical world for a thousand years. They supported Cromwell's Republic in the expectation that it was a preparation for the fifth monarchy - that is, the monarchy that should succeed the Babylonia, the Persian, the Greek, and Roman world empires.

    Mixed in with all of this was a background of general belief that the Lost Ten Tribes did not represent ethnic Jews who partially formed the ancient Kingdom of Judah, but tribes who maintained a separate capital at Samaria. Some have attempted to dismiss this complicated saga by stating that it is nothing but Supersessionism. However, the ideas behind these various competing theories are far more complicated, especially when Sabbatai Zevi, the "messiah" claimant and his supporters postulated that he represented groups in addition to those identified as being Jews. However, Zevi lost his credibility to all but the Donmeh when he converted to Islam and became an apostate to Judaism in 1666.

    During the latter half of the 18th century, variations on this same theory were advocated by some who believed that the British Empire of nations was a manifestation of ancient prophecies recorded in the Book of Genesis predating both the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah.

    Others believe that the Lost Tribes simply merged with the local population. For instance, the New Standard Jewish Encyclopedia states "In historic fact, some members of the Ten Tribes remained in Palestine, where apart from the Samaritans some of their descendants long preserved their identity among the Jewish population, others were assimilated, while others were presumably absorbed by the last Judean exiles who in 597-586 BC were deported to Assyria...Unlike the Judeans of the southern Kingdom, who survived a similar fate 135 years later, they soon assimilated

    Samaritans
    All Samaritans, in one form or another, see themselves as descendants of the original Hebrews. The Samaritan community in Israel and the Palestinian territories numbers about 600. These people, who still struggle to keep their ancient traditions, live in what was the capital of Samaria - Nablus and the town of Holon. They claim to be authentic descendants of the Israelite tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh that were not exiled.

    Africa
    Beta Israel of Ethiopia:
    The Beta Israel (also known derogatorily as Falashas) are Ethiopian Jews. Some members of the Beta Israel as well as several Jewish scholars believe that they are descended from the lost Tribe of Dan, as opposed to the traditional story of their descent from the Queen of Sheba.

    Igbo Jews;
    The Igbo Jews of Nigeria claim descent variously from the tribes of Ephraim, Naphtali, Menasseh, Levi, Zebulun and Gad.

    Yoruba:
    According to recent research based on the dynastic tradition of the Oyo-Yoruba, the ancient kings mentioned in this tradition are Israelite, Assyrian and Babylonian rulers. The deportation of the Ten Lost Tribes is remembered in the tradition preserved by the palace bards of Oyo as the Igboho exile.
    Lemba:
    The Lemba people (Vhalemba) from Southern Africa claim to be descendants of a lost tribe that fled from what is now Yemen and journeyed south. DNA testing has genetically linked the Lemba with modern Jews.They have specific religious practices similar to those in Judaism and a tradition of being a migrant people with clues pointing to an origin in West Asia or North Africa. According to the oral history of the Lemba, their ancestors were Jews who came from a place called Sena several hundred years ago and settled in East Africa. Sena is an abandoned ancient town in Yemen, located in the eastern Hadramaut valley, which history indicates Jews inhabited in past centuries. Some research suggests that "Sena" may refer to Wadi Masilah (near Sayhut) in Yemen, often called Sena, or alternatively to the city of Sana'a, also located in Yemen.

    Some groups believe that they are descended from one of the Lost Tribes, but don't know which one. These include:

    The House of Israel in Ghana.
    The Bakwa Dishi of the Democratic Republic of the CongoPersian Jews
    Persian Jews claim descent from the Tribe of Ephraim. Persian Jews (also called Iranian Jews) are members of Jewish communities living in Iran and throughout the former greatest extent of the Persian Empire.

    Pashtuns of the Afghanistan and Pakistan region

    Main article: Theory of Pashtun descent from Israelites
    The Pashtuns are a predominantly Muslim people, native to Afghanistan and Pakistan, who adhere to their pre-Islamic indigenous religious code of honor and culture Pashtunwali. They started claiming descent from the Lost Tribes in 19th and 20th centuries.

    Written sources

    A book that corresponds to Pashtun historical records, Taaqati-Nasiri, states that in the 7th century a people called the Bani Israel settled in Ghor, southeast of Herat, Afghanistan, and then migrated south and east. These Bani Israel references are in line with the commonly held view by Pashtuns that when the twelve tribes of Israel were dispersed, the tribe of Joseph, among other Hebrew tribes, settled in the region.[15] Hence the tribal name 'Yusef Zai' in Pashto translates to the 'sons of Joseph'. This is also described extensively in great detail by Makhzan-i-Afghani, a historical work from the 17th Century by Nehamtullah, an official in the royal court of Mughal Emperor Jehangir. A similar story is told by Iranian historian Ferishta.[16]

    This account is also substantiated by the fact that the Bnei Menashe of India also have traditions that trace their wanderings as going originally from the Persian Empire to Afghanistan. In their case, they then went to China, then pressed on to India and Southern Asia.[17]

    The Bani-Israelite theory about the origin of the Pashtun is based on Pashtun traditions; the tradition itself is documented in a source titled Makhzan-i-Afghani, the only written source addressing Pashtun origins. It was written in 1612, by Nematullah Harvi, a scribe at the court of Mughal Emperor Jehangir of Mughal Empire. Nematullah compiled his book on the order of Khan Jehan Lodhi of the Lodhi dynasty, a Pashtun noble and a courtier of the Emperor Jehangir.[18]

    Some sources state that the Makhzan-i-Afghani has been discredited by historical and linguistic inconsistencies. The oral tradition is believed to be a myth that grew out of a political and cultural struggle between Pashtuns and the Mughals, which explains the historical backdrop for the creation of the myth, the inconsistencies of the mythology, and the linguistic research that refutes any Semitic origins.[18] Other sources disagree strongly with the hypothesis that the Pashtuns have Israelite origins.[19]

    Pashtun traditions

    The Yousafzai (Yusafzai) are a large group of Pashtun tribes. Some writers have suggested a variety of cultural and ethnic similarities between Jews and Pashtuns.[20] A visit by a Western journalist in 2007 suggested that many currently active Pashtun traditions may have parallels with Jewish traditions.[21]

    Central Asia

    Bukharian Jews

    Main article: Bukharian Jews
    It has been suggested that the Bukharian Jews are related to the Tribe of Issachar because a common surname among them is Issacharoff.[22]

    India

    Main article: History of the Jews in India
    Bene Ephraim of South India

    The Bene Ephraim claim d, India

    Cochin Jews:
    The Nasranis of Kerala, India, are of Hebrew or Israelite heritage but not much is known of their past, making it difficult to be certain that they are also descended from the 'Lost Tribes'. (Ref. Dr. Asahel Grant's 'The Nestorians or the Lost Tribes of Israel' for more about the Nazarenes and Nestorians). However, recent DNA analysis results suggest significant Middle Eastern / Israelite components among the Nasranis, also known as Mar Thoma (St. Thomas) Syrian (Syriac) Christians, of Kerala (ancient Malabar). Dr. Avigdor Shachan, in his book 'In the Footsteps of the Lost Ten Tribes' (translated from the Hebrew, Devora Publishing, Jeusalem, New York) refers to this ancient Christian community and their faith as follows: "One could label the Christianity which Thomas introduced in Taxila, Malabar and other Israelite communities in central Asia and along the eastern and western coasts of India, "Israelite Christianity", an offshoot of the Jewish religion, for the language, culture, ritual and spirit that prevailed in this ancient church until the western missionaries arrived was a hybrid of Aramaic-Syrian-Eretz Israel and Eastern..." Another theory is that the Middle Eastern DNA found is from traveling Assyrian Nestorian missionaries who were undoubtedly responsible for bringing Christianity to Kerala. This view, however, is contrary to the generally accepted fact of the missionary work of Apostle Thomas in South-West India (ancient Malabar Coast) in the first century AD; Dr. Avigdor Shachan too refers to this fact in stating "One could label the Christianity which Thomas introduced in Taxila, Malabar and other Israelite communities in central Asia and along the eastern and western coasts of India, "Israelite Christianity", an offshoot of the Jewish religion..."

    Bene Israel of India:
    The Bene Israel (Hebrew: "Sons of Israel") are a group of Jews who live in various Indian cities, Mumbai, Pune, Ahmedabad. Prior to their waves of emigration to Israel and still to this day, the Bene Israel form the largest sector of the subcontinent's Jewish population, and constitute the bulk of those sometimes referred to as Pakistani Jews. The native language of the Bene Israel is Judæo-Marathi, a form of Marathi. Most Bene Israel have now emigrated to Israel.

    In 2010, Amir Mizroch in the Jerusalem Post referred to the theory that even Pashtuns in Afghanistan and Pakistan could be descending from the lost tribe of Efraim. Shahnaz Ali, a senior research fellow at the Indian National Institute of Immunohematology in Mumbai, has started studying the blood samples that she collected from Afridi Pathans in Malihabad, in the Lucknow district in Uttar Pradesh, India, to check their putative Israelite origin.

    Bnei Menashe of India
    Bnei Menashe:
    The Bnei Menashe (from northeast India) claim descent from the lost Tribe of Manasseh. Their oral traditions depict them as originally going from the Persian Empire into Afghanistan. (They may have been in the Persian Empire because it occupied the lands of Assyria when it conquered Babylonia.) According to their traditions, they then went to China, where they encountered persecution, then pressed on to India and Southern Asia. DNA tests to determine whether or not they originate from the Middle East has yielded mixed results.The Israeli government has recognized them as one of the lost tribes and made them eligible for immigration under the Law of Return.

    China

    Kaifeng Jews
    Kaifeng Jews:
    According to some historical sources, a Jewish community has existed in Kaifeng, China from medieval times until the present day.[28] In 2009, Chinese Jews from Kaifeng arrived in Israel as immigrants.

    According to historical records, a Jewish community with a synagogue built in 1163 existed at Kaifeng from at least the Southern Song Dynasty until the late nineteenth century. A stone monument in the city suggests that they were there since at least 231 BC.
     
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    Jewish community hapa Arusha inatambulika rasmi jaribu ku-google utajua hilo. Nakuwekea link hapa. Ila pia ujue jews hawawezi kukaa wanapiga parapanda kuwa wako sehemu fulani Tanzania ili ukawalipue. Ila ujue tu hata system yenu iko infiltrated na jews sympathizers ndio maana Ehud Barak alipowatukana hamkumfanya kitu.

    Arusha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    Yaani mwizi kwako wewe ni shujaa?!
    System yenu kina nani? mimi ni Muislamu system yetu ni ile iliyoteremshwa na Allah.
    Quran 5:44 ....And whosoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed, such are the Kafirun (disbelievers).
    Quran 12:40 The the judgement (governance) is for none but Allah".
    Ama kuhusu hao waliotukana, basi waache wafu wawazike wafu wenzao.
     
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