Dismiss Notice
You are browsing this site as a guest. It takes 2 minutes to CREATE AN ACCOUNT and less than 1 minute to LOGIN

Who’s afraid of big bad Kenya? Not me

Discussion in 'Kenyan News and Politics' started by Prodigal Son, Jan 24, 2010.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Prodigal Son

    Prodigal Son JF-Expert Member

    #1
    Jan 24, 2010
    Joined: Dec 9, 2009
    Messages: 955
    Likes Received: 23
    Trophy Points: 35
    Who's afraid of big bad Kenya? Not me
    By Charles Onyango-Obbo

    Posted Saturday, January 23 2010 at 19:56

    When the East African Common Market was launched recently, reports had it that companies in Tanzania and Uganda were shaking in their boots, afraid that the "more advanced Kenyan economy" was going to bite off their heads.

    This idea of a far more advanced Kenya economy is mostly a myth today, advanced on one side by petty Kenyan nationalists so that they can feel good about old glories, and on the other by vested business interests in Tanzania and Uganda who want state protection against competition.

    One commonly hears statements like the "Kenyan economy is bigger than Tanzania's and Uganda's combined." Yes, but that was 20 years ago.
    Kenya's gross domestic product in 1990 was $11 billion. Tanzania's was $5.4 billion, and Uganda's $4.03 billion. Kenya's economy then was bigger than Tanzania and Uganda combined; twice that of Tanzania, and nearly three times Uganda's.

    By 2008, Kenya's GDP was $31 billion. However Tanzania's was $21 billion, and Uganda's $15.8 billion. It's no longer bigger than Tanzania's and Uganda's combined; it is not double that of Tanzania; nor is it three times bigger than Uganda's. Indeed, depending on the GDP figures you look at in three or so years, Tanzania could be East Africa's largest economy.

    The story of the past 20 years in East Africa, therefore, is not how large Kenya's economy is compared with those of its neighbours, but rather how much the others have closed the gap.

    But all these arguments about the Kenyan threat mask a far more emotional issue.

    A few years ago, I attended a seminar on the East African Community where, after a lengthy discussion about the economic benefits of a regional market, some contrarian chap got up and said, "The idea that Kenya businesses are going to benefit from the EAC is misleading because the so-called Kenyan businesses are multinational companies based in Nairobi and Asian enterprises. Indigenous Kenyans are not going to gain anything."

    You could have heard a pin drop, then people started shifting uncomfortably in their chairs because there were European CEOs of multinational firms in Nairobi and Asian businessmen in the audience.

    In 1972, Uganda's military dictator Idi Amin expelled Asians and Europeans, including those who were citizens, so the notion that white and brown people cannot be Africans is a dangerous one. However, some months later, I attended a Kenya Association of Manufacturers conference in Nairobi, and during the coffee break a KAM official, an Asian, told me that one reason KAM is not as effective as it should be is that many black Kenyan business people see KAM as an "Asian front" and so stay away.

    If we accept that the "advanced" Kenyan economy is mostly Asian and European capital, then it should not be a problem. That is because Tanzanian and Uganda businesses are also mostly held by Asian and European capital.

    And that is where this fear of Kenya falls flat on its face. First, it is Kenya that should be afraid because soon it could lose its position as the leading economy in East Africa.

    Secondly, if the "indigenous" people of East Africa are largely poor and don't own the businesses that will benefit from an East African Common Market, then they should not fear Kenya because they all own nothing.

    SOURCE : http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/opOrEd/comment/-/434750/848090/-/brq2pb/-/index.html
     
  2. Prodigal Son

    Prodigal Son JF-Expert Member

    #2
    Jan 24, 2010
    Joined: Dec 9, 2009
    Messages: 955
    Likes Received: 23
    Trophy Points: 35
    naona Huyo bwana Obbo kaongea ukweli kabisa kitu ambacho Wakenya wengi wanakuwa wagumu kukubaliana nacho, wanaopiga makelele ni wale wachache waliobahatika kupata kazi kwenye hizo kampuni utawasikia wanatudharau utafikiri kwao wanalolote jipya.
     
  3. G

    Geza Ulole JF-Expert Member

    #3
    Jan 24, 2010
    Joined: Oct 31, 2009
    Messages: 8,103
    Likes Received: 1,329
    Trophy Points: 280
    Where is Nomasana, Smatta and all those other Kenyans living in hype? This article will open your eyes!
     
  4. The Boss

    The Boss JF-Expert Member

    #4
    Jan 25, 2010
    Joined: Aug 18, 2009
    Messages: 36,064
    Likes Received: 14,312
    Trophy Points: 280
    in three years,
    tanzania will be the largest economy in east africa.

    i knew it.
    someni ripoti ya mkurabita
    au muulizeni professor wangwe.
     
  5. Wacha1

    Wacha1 JF-Expert Member

    #5
    Jan 25, 2010
    Joined: Dec 21, 2009
    Messages: 11,960
    Likes Received: 516
    Trophy Points: 280
    Nyang'au hao kelel zao tumezoea. Mimi sioni hata kwa nini sisi tunatafuta matatizo kutoka Kenya, Uganda , Rwanda na Burundi. Kuna malofa flani hivi wanafikiria matumbo yao zaidi. Ukiamua kuibeba Kenya basi fahamu unabeba Somalia, Southern Sudan na matapeli kutoka UK.
     
  6. Injinia

    Injinia JF-Expert Member

    #6
    Jan 25, 2010
    Joined: Feb 26, 2008
    Messages: 850
    Likes Received: 0
    Trophy Points: 0
    I love you Obbo!! Well put.
    "..that is where the fear of Kenya falls flat on it's face"
     
  7. Nyaralego

    Nyaralego JF-Expert Member

    #7
    Jan 25, 2010
    Joined: Nov 13, 2007
    Messages: 732
    Likes Received: 1
    Trophy Points: 35
    We are here!!!! not living in hype just looking from the sidelines...every other topic on JF is about Kenya...
    Puuuhlize!! We are still who we are...aggresive, go-getters, ambitious and whatever else can be deemed about us.

    So there i said it!!!... Let me wait for the backlash...oh yes baibe
    The name calling is about to begin, yeah go ahead...
     
  8. Injinia

    Injinia JF-Expert Member

    #8
    Jan 25, 2010
    Joined: Feb 26, 2008
    Messages: 850
    Likes Received: 0
    Trophy Points: 0
    The same can be said about Kenyan forums and blogs! Every other topic is about TZ, infact, there's one with a whole forum dedicated to Tanzania.
    Yes, you may be aggressive, go-getters and all, but that doesn't mean you should use that to put down your neighbours!!

    Yes, we (Tanzania and Uganda) may have lagged behind a few years...but if you haven't noticed we have not been sleeping - but again, maybe you have noticed, and that's what is disturbing you: that the real giants of the region are waking up from their slumber!!
     
  9. B

    Bull JF-Expert Member

    #9
    Jan 25, 2010
    Joined: Nov 4, 2008
    Messages: 984
    Likes Received: 0
    Trophy Points: 0
    Na bado watani wetu mambo yao magumu huku TZ ikiendelea kukata mbuga, soma;

    Kenya economy growth to slow to 2.6 per cent, compared to 7 per cent in 2007.
    This strong growth is expected to slow to 5.5 per cent in 2009 and is projected to be about the same in 2010.

    In 2009, Tanzania and Uganda continued to be the fastest growing countries within East Africa, growing at 11.6 per cent, 8.5 per cent, respectively.
     
  10. Smatta

    Smatta JF-Expert Member

    #10
    Jan 25, 2010
    Joined: Nov 5, 2008
    Messages: 2,233
    Likes Received: 141
    Trophy Points: 160
    Tanzanians shouldnt even speak, you have all the minerals that a country would want but you still sitting comfortable as the second poorest country in EA.. Thats a shame if you ask me, you competing with Kenya, a country that doesnt have ish except human resource? you must be sick
     
  11. Abunwasi

    Abunwasi JF-Expert Member

    #11
    Jan 25, 2010
    Joined: Jun 25, 2009
    Messages: 2,357
    Likes Received: 517
    Trophy Points: 280
    Wewe kijana read the signs of time. Things have changed so much that even wa TZ UG they do not need kenya as much as kenya needs both TZ and UG.
    I hear Uganda wants to pass its petroleum products through TZ. Hivi kwa nini wasipitishie KE??? wakati tayari kuna pipeline to Mombasa???? Ugomvi kidogo mnafunga hiyo ndiyo tabia yenu. ukifananisha watu wa kawaida kati ya nchi hizi utagundua kuwa kenya ndiyo ya mwisho na ndiyo maana hii EAC mnaitaka kuliko sisi
     
  12. Nyaralego

    Nyaralego JF-Expert Member

    #12
    Jan 25, 2010
    Joined: Nov 13, 2007
    Messages: 732
    Likes Received: 1
    Trophy Points: 35

    we are essentially not disturbed...sisi wakenya we are bad news
    We take no prisoners!! and the point is we do not put down our neighbours...just because 2 to 3 Kenyans are loud enouhg to proclaim that... make yu'all think Wakenya this and Wakenya that...

    I dare you to meet a real kenyan and talk to them and find out what makes them tick...aki ya nanitena you would actually love a kenyan.
    You all can call us whatever you want lakini we are progressing on...its called adaptability...
     
  13. Smatta

    Smatta JF-Expert Member

    #13
    Jan 25, 2010
    Joined: Nov 5, 2008
    Messages: 2,233
    Likes Received: 141
    Trophy Points: 160
    Which signs should I read, seriously speaking. In my humble opinion, Tanzania should never be compared to Kenya, not with all the minerals, land, a booming youth population, and good weather. Look at Kenya, we have no minerals, three quarter of our land lies in arid and s-arid conditions, we have had extremely bad leadership since independence and endemic corruption which has cripled our economy, we are suppose to be fairing far much worse than any other country in East Africa, but look at where we are right now.
     
  14. Injinia

    Injinia JF-Expert Member

    #14
    Jan 25, 2010
    Joined: Feb 26, 2008
    Messages: 850
    Likes Received: 0
    Trophy Points: 0
    Nyaralengo, si hivyo. I have very good Kenyan friends...was actually in a relationship with one once. Don't take it personally. We don't hate you.
    You are progressing, and so are we, question is, why can't we just all progress together without you guys being the little voices in our heads saying we can't?
     
  15. G

    Geza Ulole JF-Expert Member

    #15
    Jan 25, 2010
    Joined: Oct 31, 2009
    Messages: 8,103
    Likes Received: 1,329
    Trophy Points: 280
    The mining sector is coming up dude, a new bill is to be passed in March that will allow a win win situation, then the rest will be history just the coal and uranium investments are enough to forget about your nonsense as Kenyans! putting aside the massive gas reserves if not oil soon to be discovered! Likewise we are not wooed out from the fact that manufacturing should be our back born of our economy! It is the sector that grows faster than any other sector in Tanzania right now! ot forgetting the tourism and service provision in the region, the giant ia waking up! So i just advice you guys to live in reality cause we are neighbours at par and if you are not carefully enough you will soon be caught in many suprizes!
     
  16. Prodigal Son

    Prodigal Son JF-Expert Member

    #16
    Jan 25, 2010
    Joined: Dec 9, 2009
    Messages: 955
    Likes Received: 23
    Trophy Points: 35

    80% of the Kenyans economy is in the hands of Asian, few Whites and few so called Kikuyu, most of the ordinary Kenyans are living under extreme poverty. Bear in mind Tanzanian nowdays are very aggressive and trying to utilize every opportunities surrounding them, I am very sure, within very few years to come we will be self sufficient in almost every thing, I don't have doubt about that.just wait time will tell
     
  17. eliakeem

    eliakeem JF-Expert Member

    #17
    Jan 25, 2010
    Joined: May 29, 2009
    Messages: 1,593
    Likes Received: 74
    Trophy Points: 145
    Aggresive..? No no no the big no. You are greedy, you're always misconcept btn the two, equally the same (for long time) also confusing btn english and intelligent. You believe that anybody who cannot speak English is surely not intelligent. That's why you are ignoring the somalis who eat up your land.
    http://kumekucha.blogspot.com/2010_01_17_archive.html
     
  18. m

    moyo JF-Expert Member

    #18
    Jan 25, 2010
    Joined: Jan 12, 2010
    Messages: 252
    Likes Received: 0
    Trophy Points: 0
    It is as a result of inferiority complex that one can write such an article to console him or herself.Yes Kenya has it's challenges like any other country in the world,tribalism,bad governance, etc and this led to the post elction violence we witnessed in 2007-8.If you read this article by onyango carefully shows that Kenya is still ahead,infact far ahead he only disputes the fact that Kenyan's economy is bigger than Tanzania's and Uganda's combined,and judging by the responses to this post shockingly reveals how inferior Tanzanians feel towards Kenya.
    I am surprised anything about Kenya will be portrayed negatively in this forum, dont we have other serious issues to discuss that can make us better East Africans!!Yes it is true that some big companies are owned by Asians and Europeans but mostly many of them are owned by Kenyans.The economy of Kenya depends on Small and Medium size enterprises and this is where most Kenyans come in.
    You cant compare Kenyan's poverty with Tanzania's,a case in point is when safaricom,and ken gen, ware privatized ,the IPO was over subscribed by 50% and this were ordinary Kenyans buying the shares!even the govt issued an infrastructure bond and the same happened ,Kenyans are not poor what they have is bad leadership and once they solve that they will be far ahead.No wonder most house girls in Kenya are Tanzanians(sorry to say so but its just an observation).
    A country that does not have any minerals,just a small portion of fertile land,went thru violence neary civil war but still commands the region is something that shouild not be taken lightly,the only asset kenya has is it's skilled and intelligent human resource and thats why most CEO's of the big companies are under 40yrs,this is what makes Kenya and Kenyans tick,so long as they can maintain and improve on it the sky will be their stepping stone.
    Tanzania and Uganda should stop bragging over their small achievements but embrace the spirit of East African community,Kenya cant afford to fight TZ and UG because they control their economies after Asians and Europeans,coz they might loose their investments .Don't forget Rwanda,small but emerging power."Small minds discuss people,ordinary minds discuss events but great minds discuss IDEAS".
     
  19. Smatta

    Smatta JF-Expert Member

    #19
    Jan 25, 2010
    Joined: Nov 5, 2008
    Messages: 2,233
    Likes Received: 141
    Trophy Points: 160
    Moyo I co-sign every thing you have penned down. it beats logic how a country blessed with so much minerals keep comparing itself with a country whose only resource are its hard workin citizens.
     
  20. Injinia

    Injinia JF-Expert Member

    #20
    Jan 25, 2010
    Joined: Feb 26, 2008
    Messages: 850
    Likes Received: 0
    Trophy Points: 0
    Who started the comparing game?
    We are not comparing ourselves with you, merely discussing a point.
    That is the problem you have, being argumentative just for the sake of being. You shouldn't forget the fact that Tanzania went through 2 decades of socialism, that may have contributed to our slow or non-growth at the time and also that Tanzanians are not good at expressing themselves in English (thus you judge us as being stupid) because of the abolition of the use of English in primary schools...but this is fast changing soon as the generations change.

    I find Moyo's point re the majority of housegirls in Kenya being Tanzanian (it seems you joined JF today just to make this point!!). It is because Tanzanians are honest and trustworthy. You yourselves know that.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Loading...