What Kenya can teach Tanzania and vice versa

[Smatta]

Tanzanians are plainly lazy, lethargic, uneducated, suffer from morbid denial, and as long as you keep denying these facts, you'll never change.

 

[Geza Ulole]

Tanzanians are plainly lazy, lethargic, uneducated, suffer from morbid denial, and as long as you keep denying these facts, you'll never change.

I guess you implied, Kenya is changing by having many its people now working or doing business in Tanzania! if that's the way you boost change by observing a neighbour country flourishing while yours crumbles then congrats Smattass! By the way you go to shit everyday cause of the fruits of "plainly lazy, lethargic, uneducated, suffer from morbid denial's nation economic prosperity"

By the way no need to argue much with you wait for the next General election to prove my words as you will slaughter yourselves again cause the broke are tired of isolation from the nation's cake!

 

[Chesty]

Tanzanians are plainly lazy, lethargic, uneducated, suffer from morbid denial, and as long as you keep denying these facts, you'll never change.

Halo...calm down a bit young man...i have said a lot about substandard but expensive hotels in Kenya and i suppose you've read my post, can you say something about it...? However, learning to change for the better is the order of the day, even Japan, USA, German are all making efforts towards change, and we are in the same path, we are not there yet. But i am not at all impressed by Kenya's development path...not me...South Africa? Yes. Botswana? Oh yeah... Mauritius? Yap...Kenya? No thanks, they are as poor as anybody else...!

 

[Janejo]

Halo...calm down a bit young man...i have said a lot about substandard but expensive hotels in Kenya and i suppose you've read my post, can you say something about it...? However, learning to change for the better is the order of the day, even Japan, USA, German are all making efforts towards change, and we are in the same path, we are not there yet. But i am not at all impressed by Kenya's development path...not me...South Africa? Yes. Botswana? Oh yeah... Mauritius? Yap...Kenya? No thanks, they are as poor as anybody else...!

Nimeipenda hii! Licha ya asilimia kubwa ya hawa ndugu zetu wa Kenya kuishi kwenye umasikini wa kutisha kama sie, bado hupenda kupiga kelele nyingi za kujisifu. Nionavyo mimi ni kuwa hawa wanaopenda kupiga kelele ni wale wachache ambao wamenufaika kwa kiasi kikubwa kutokana na upendeleo wa kikabila toka serikali zilizopita. Wakenya ambao wamekuwa wakibaguliwa kwa muda mrefu ni watu wenye mawazo endelevu. Baadhi ni marafiki zangu...hawana hii "arrogance" tunayoiona kwenye 'media' au mitaani.

 

[Prodigal Son]

Kwa tourism sector in Kenya is in dilemma, ikumbukwe kwa muda mrefu walikuwa wanapractice mass tourism, hii ilisababisha most of their attractions to loose its naturalness. Hawakuregulate uwekezaje kwenye ma national park yao as a result mbuga zao haziwavutii watalii ukilinganisha na za Tanzania. Na ikumbukwe kwa muda mrefu vivutio vya tanzania vilikuwa havitangazwi saana lakini sasa baada ya kuanza kuvitangaza kwa nguvu watalii wengi wanavutiwa vivutio vya Tanzania na idadi ya watalii wanaoenda kenya imepungua saana. Baada ya kuona hilo wakenya kwa sasa wanatumia mbinu nyingi tena na chafu kuhakikisha wanachafua image ya Tanzania. Ikumbukwe hata ule uharamia wa wasomali ngorongoro na serengeti kulikuwa na harufu ya hawa wajamaa kuhusika kwa lengo tu la ku sabotage utalii wetu

Kwa swala la hospitality si kihivyo kwani kabla kila hotel inawajiri wafanyakazi ambao wamefuzi then hotel nyingi zinakuwa na in house training, ila tukumbuke kwa hapa wakenya wametupiga bao Kenya Utalii collage wanatoa wataalam wa hotel kwa miaka mingi sisi chuo chetu cha Forodhani – National collage of Tourism wamelala tu, French government tangu kipindi cha mkapa walitoa pesa za kujenga chuo kipya tangu kipindi hicho inakaribia miaka tisa kila siku siasa tu.Hapa hatuna ubishi tunatakiwa tukimbie kwa kuhakikisha tuna train vijana wengi hususani in front office, food and beverage, culinary art, housekeeping and laundry and customer care katika level za diploma na hata advanced diploma Wakenya wana wataalamu wengi saana waliobobea kwenye maeneo hayo.Kwa kutokuwa na wataalamu hao ndo maana huduma zinazotolewa na mahoteli zinalalamikiwa,

Anavyodai rating system kwa Tanzania hatuna official classification system ya accomodations facilities kitu ambacho uganda kenya wanayo nadhani kwa tanzania alikuwa wanajaribu kuidevelop ila sijui kama wameshamaliza Tatizo kubwa ndo liko hapo kila mwenye hotel anajirate mwenyewe bila kutumia vigezo, hii ni changamoto kwa serekali na wadau.

 

[Geza Ulole]

Kwa tourism sector in Kenya is in dilemma, ikumbukwe kwa muda mrefu walikuwa wanapractice mass tourism, hii ilisababisha most of their attractions to loose its naturalness. Hawakuregulate uwekezaje kwenye ma national park yao as a result mbuga zao haziwavutii watalii ukilinganisha na za Tanzania. Na ikumbukwe kwa muda mrefu vivutio vya tanzania vilikuwa havitangazwi saana lakini sasa baada ya kuanza kuvitangaza kwa nguvu watalii wengi wanavutiwa vivutio vya Tanzania na idadi ya watalii wanaoenda kenya imepungua saana. Baada ya kuona hilo wakenya kwa sasa wanatumia mbinu nyingi tena na chafu kuhakikisha wanachafua image ya Tanzania. Ikumbukwe hata ule uharamia wa wasomali ngorongoro na serengeti kulikuwa na harufu ya hawa wajamaa kuhusika kwa lengo tu la ku sabotage utalii wetu

Kwa swala la hospitality si kihivyo kwani kabla kila hotel inawajiri wafanyakazi ambao wamefuzi then hotel nyingi zinakuwa na in house training, ila tukumbuke kwa hapa wakenya wametupiga bao Kenya Utalii collage wanatoa wataalam wa hotel kwa miaka mingi sisi chuo chetu cha Forodhani – National collage of Tourism wamelala tu, French government tangu kipindi cha mkapa walitoa pesa za kujenga chuo kipya tangu kipindi hicho inakaribia miaka tisa kila siku siasa tu.Hapa hatuna ubishi tunatakiwa tukimbie kwa kuhakikisha tuna train vijana wengi hususani in front office, food and beverage, culinary art, housekeeping and laundry and customer care katika level za diploma na hata advanced diploma Wakenya wana wataalamu wengi saana waliobobea kwenye maeneo hayo.Kwa kutokuwa na wataalamu hao ndo maana huduma zinazotolewa na mahoteli zinalalamikiwa,

Anavyodai rating system kwa Tanzania hatuna official classification system ya accomodations facilities kitu ambacho uganda kenya wanayo nadhani kwa tanzania alikuwa wanajaribu kuidevelop ila sijui kama wameshamaliza Tatizo kubwa ndo liko hapo kila mwenye hotel anajirate mwenyewe bila kutumia vigezo, hii ni changamoto kwa serekali na wadau.

Acha kutupotosha grading ilianza Uganda, then itakuja Tanzania before going to Kenya! Hotel grading ipi unayoongelea wewe sasa ukiacha those international brand hotels nyingine zote ndani ya Nairobi ni ubabaishaji tu!

 

[Ujengelele]

I if that's the way you boost change by observing a neighbour country flourishing while yours crumbles then congrats Smattass!

My appreciation!

 

[Prodigal Son]

Acha kutupotosha grading ilianza Uganda, then itakuja Tanzania before going to Kenya! Hotel grading ipi unayoongelea wewe sasa ukiacha those international brand hotels nyingine zote ndani ya Nairobi ni ubabaishaji tu!

nime ku pm

 

[JokaKuu]

..so what Luos and teach Kikuyus and vice versa?

..tukitaka Cooperation ifanikiwe basi tukubali kuachana na Ukenya wetu na Utanzania wetu, tuanze ku-embrace identity mpya kama East Africans.

..hata kama kuna matatizo na deficiencies basi tuanze kuzi-address kama zetu sote na siyo hii finger pointing kwamba Watanzania wako hivi au Wakenya wako vile.

 

[Smatta]

Hii tu ni ile kelele tumezoea ya waswahili wa Tanzania, too much talk and no action, endeni vijiweni ama kwenye vilabu mpige gumzo on the way TZ is becoming a power house in EA coz it seems you are taking extra classes on this, the last time I checked TZ had a vast mineral deposit, ranging frm gas, abudant fertile land to diamonds and gold, if you ask me, you shld be amongst the richest country in Africa. but instead, you are here arguing about wealth with a country that depends solely on tourism, what a shame. i dnt even understand how a huge chunk of your budget is doner funded, with all the minerals you are blessed with. its sad, but what should i expect from a country where a quarter of the citizens have never seen the inside of a class.

 

[Geza Ulole]

Hii tu ni ile kelele tumezoea ya waswahili wa Tanzania, too much talk and no action, endeni vijiweni ama kwenye vilabu mpige gumzo on the way TZ is becoming a power house in EA coz it seems you are taking extra classes on this, the last time I checked TZ had a vast mineral deposit, ranging frm gas, abudant fertile land to diamonds and gold, if you ask me, you shld be amongst the richest country in Africa. but instead, you are here arguing about wealth with a country that depends solely on tourism, what a shame. i dnt even understand how a huge chunk of your budget is doner funded, with all the minerals you are blessed with. its sad, but what should i expect from a country where a quarter of the citizens have never seen the inside of a class.

smatta, Kenya was refused aid from Donor countries! otherwise you would have been receiving the support the same way we receive now! you are to dumbass to know why we need the donor support! those mining you are mentioning needs huge capital and infrastructure that's why we are after aid, but unfortunate Kenya is dying of hunger in the 21st century we were thinking of you assisting us but you are becoming a burden now we are forced to share what little we harvested with you through our porous borders! that's too buddy my friend!!

 

[UmkhontoweSizwe]

Nianze kwa kusema kwamba mimi ni mtanzania anayeipenda nchi yangu sana.
Pili niseme pia kwamba nachukia arrogance ya wakenya ambayo huwa wanaionyesha mara nyingi dhidi yetu.

Lakini nakubaliana na mleta hoja pale anaposema kwamba tunahitaji kuinua kiwango cha ufanisi wa hospitality kwenye tourism industry yetu. Huo ni ukweli usiopingika, nitashangaa kama watu watabisha kwa hilo. Pamoja na kwamba sikubaliani naye kwa kuifanya Kenya ndo mfano wa kuigwa. You Kenyans are not the ultimate standard that we should look for, you have your own issues too that you need to work on. By making yourself the "mfano wa kuigwa" you mean that once we reach your standard (assuming that we're below as you say) then will say "tosha because we have reached the kenyans standard". That is arrogancy.

Ni kweli mleta hoja ulikuwa na hoja nzuri ya kuwaambia watanzania kuhusu need ya kuinua kiwango cha utendaji kwenye tourism industry yao, lakini presentation yako imechanganywa na usual kenyan arrogancy ndo maana watu hapa wana-react negatively.

Watu, mnapokuwa na constructive "hojas" kama hizi muwe mnaangalia namna ya kuziwasilisha kwa lengo la kuwasaidia watu kujifunza na siyo kutafuta reaction tu.

 

[maliza]

I was in arusha for a month and one day i went to a small hotel called Amani to watch manutd and man city. When it reached 65th minute the power went off as usual. Since it was still daylight the waiters refused to put the generator on. almost every business in arusha has a generator. Half of the partrons left for Arusha town and the cinema area to complete the match. I stayed behind one patron scolded them calling them names he decided to pay for fuel from his pocket. He gave tsh 5,000 and the generator was put on. but that time it was extra time. Now what do you call that?

 

[Smatta]

Maliza, hawa waswahili wako hivyo, they stay running their mouths but they cnt do ish, let them talk though, coz it seems like that's all they can do. i know these loud mouths, i deal with them daily.

 

[Geza Ulole]

I was in arusha for a month and one day i went to a small hotel called Amani to watch manutd and man city. When it reached 65th minute the power went off as usual. Since it was still daylight the waiters refused to put the generator on. almost every business in arusha has a generator. Half of the partrons left for Arusha town and the cinema area to complete the match. I stayed behind one patron scolded them calling them names he decided to pay for fuel from his pocket. He gave tsh 5,000 and the generator was put on. but that time it was extra time. Now what do you call that?

It seems the same incidence can never happen in the whole Kenya even in a Kibera slum hotel! is that what you mean Mr maliza? Or you are so blind to see that it was a small if not a guest house togeneralize the issue!

 

[Smatta]

smattass, Kenya was refused aid from Donor countries! otherwise you would have been receiving the support the same way we receive now! you are to dumbass to know why we need the donor support! those mining you are mentioning needs huge capital and infrastructure that's why we are after aid, but unfortunate Kenya is dying of hunger in the 21st century we were thinking of you assisting us but you are becoming a burden now we are forced to share what little we harvested with you through our porous borders! that's too buddy my friend!!

I thought you were an itelligent village teacher, but you keep discrediting yourself everytime I read your post. you sound like a tard whn you say that Kenya is being denied aid by the west, that bulls**t ended when we removed Moi from power.

You also come out as an illiterate dweeb when you say that your budget is bank rolled by the west because of the infrastructure thats used for mining, thats plainly pathetic, considering your countries budget is the size our country allocate to the defence ministry. get your facts right you douche bag before coming here to spew that trash that you have in that empty head of yours.

 

[Geza Ulole]

I thought you were an itelligent village teacher, but you keep discrediting yourself everytime I read your post. you sound like a tard whn you say that Kenya is being denied aid by the west, that bulls**t ended when we removed Moi from power.

You also come out as an illiterate dweeb when you say that your budget is bank rolled by the west because of the infrastructure thats used for mining, thats plainly pathetic, considering your countries budget is the size our country allocate to the defence ministry. get your facts right you douche bag before coming here to spew that trash that you have in that empty head of yours.

Oh ya our budget is your defence budget! I won't be suprized when on that budget you are being flogged and wept, humiliated, brutalized, tossed, toasted, thwarted and wacked here and there everyday by the Ugandan army on Migingo! that smattass of yours indeed! be in our shoes to know what infrastructure means and not to be in a shoe with a foot half our size!

 

[Nono]

These are the same people once they were bragging competing with SA on tourists numbers! they classified SA as their main rival! where are they now? Didn't Balala recently signed agreement deals to share tourists with SA after seeing all the tourists from SA linked to Zanzibar and Mauritius instead of Mombasa for Tropical beach tourism? When did Kenya win any of the competitive fights they are so good at associating and publicizing themselves with? Open your eyes myfriends, Tanzanians need not bragging but continuing putting up investments in hotels, resorts and lodges as well as hospitality training facilities as recently VETA did in Arusha. afterall we are having more Tourists numbers than Kenyans 3 years down their election violence, if they are good at it why not recovered todate? Let Kenyans yap their nonsense while we keep doing our things and time will tell soon! they will kiss our asses!!!

Sure, it was a biased and baseless analysis. We have weaknesses as well as strengths, but only the latter is recognised by EA fellow opportunists. This is simply trying to show Tanzanians that they can’t find their way forward unless they open doors for Kenyans! Oh that is fine maybe, where should we start? maybe with the land which you most wanted to death. You have failed to resolve your issues as Kenyans, Jalue cannot own a land in Kikuyu and vice versa; you can’t get a plot in Nairobi, not because you are not citizen but because it belongs to... and few Somali pirates.

I think in this times, there is nothing we can learn from Kenya. We are finding our way and soon you may be doing the above highlight!

 

[Nungunungu]

Hivi waganda hawaji Tanzania? Mbona hatusikii matusi haya toka kwao kama wakenya?

Tuchukulie watanzania ni hovyo katika kiwango atakachoamua mkenya yoyote. Si mkae kwenu! Au nendeni Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Sudan, Somali na kokote mtakako muone kama kuna mtanzania atalalamika.

Tatizo ni huu uungwana wa kuikaribisha hii mijitu iliyozowea kuuwana. Baada ya kupanda sumu za chuki za ukabila kwao na kuchinjana, wanataka kuzihamishia na Tz. Asiyeelewa haya aulize kilichomtokea Ngugi Wa Thiong'o au asubiri 2012.

 

[Chesty]

Maliza, hawa waswahili wako hivyo, they stay running their mouths but they cnt do ish, let them talk though, coz it seems like that's all they can do. i know these loud mouths, i deal with them daily.

Smatta, i think you are being absolutely out of order...! you have gone completely out of the topic and that's not the way gents and even ladies argue. What if you respond to issues about your hotels as well and accept the fact that you also need to change cos i have been in Kenya and i think you are not there yet...Kenya and Tanzania can have a lot to share because we are neighbours and we have all seen some strengths, weaknesses and potentials in both countries. Rather than discouraging each other i think we can be a bit constructive in our arguments, we can do better than this, i guess...what do u think guys...?