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Waswisi wakataa ujenzi wa minara ya misikiti

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  1. Injinia

    Injinia JF-Expert Member

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    AFP Switzerland:

    To the dismay of the Muslim minority here, some 57.5 percent of the population and 22 out of 26 cantons voted to ban the towers or turrets attached on mosques from where Muslims are called to prayer.



    Far-right politicians across Europe celebrated the results, while the Swiss government sought to assure the Muslim minority that a ban on minarets was "not a rejection of the Muslim community, religion or culture."
    The Swiss People's Party (SVP) -- Switzerland's biggest party -- had forced a referendum after collecting a mandatory 100,000 signatures from eligible voters within 18 months.
    They said that the minarets -- of which Switzerland has just four -- were not architectural features with religious characteristics, but symbolised a "political-religious claim to power, which challenges fundamental rights."
    Having won a double majority -- both in terms of cantons and absolute numbers -- from the 53 percent of the population who turned up to vote, the initiative will now be inscribed in the country's constitution.
    "The Federal Council (government) respects this decision. Consequently the construction of new minarets in Switzerland is no longer permitted," said the government, which had firmly opposed the ban, in a statement.
    Justice Minister Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf said the result "reflects fears among the population of Islamic fundamentalist tendencies."
    "These concerns have to be taken seriously... However, the Federal Council takes the view that a ban on the construction of new minarets is not a feasible means of countering extremist tendencies," she stressed.
    She also sought to reassure the Muslim population, saying: "It is not a rejection of the Muslim community, religion or culture. Of that, the Federal Council gives its assurance."
    But for the 400,000-strong Muslim community here, comprised mainly of ex-Yugoslav and Turkish migrants, the harm has been done.
    "The most painful for us is not the minaret ban, but the symbol sent by this vote. Muslims do not feel accepted as a religious community," said Farhad Afshar, who heads the Coordination of Islamic Organisations in Switzerland.
    The Conference of Swiss Bishops also criticised the result, saying that it "heightens the problems of cohabitation between religions and cultures."
    Young people carrying candles and cardboard minarets led a mock funerary procession in the federal capital Bern, carrying a banner reading "This is not my Switzerland," the ATS news agency reported.
    In Zurich's central Helvetia Platz demonstrators erected around 12 mini-minarets made out of recycled objects, ATS said, with a total of a few hundred people protesting in the two cities.
    Amnesty International said the minaret ban is a "violation of religious freedom, incompatible with the conventions signed by Switzerland."
    The Swiss Green party said it was contemplating lodging a complaint to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg for violation of religious freedoms as guaranteed by the European Convention on Human Rights.
    In Morocco, a parliamentarian from the Justice and Development Islamist Party expressed surprise.
    "I think that Muslims in Switzerland, and those who live in the European Union, have a lot of work to do in communication to show their real face of tolerance and cohabitation of Islam," said Saad Eddine Othmani.
    French far-right politician Marine Le Pen welcomed the outcome, saying that the "elites should stop denying the aspirations and fears of the European people, who, without opposing religious freedom, reject ostentatious signs that political-religious Muslim groups want to impose."
    Meanwhile, SVP Vice-President Yvan Perrin cheered the fact that his party had won the vote "without difficulty."
    He told Radio Suisse Romande that Swiss companies should not worry about suffering from a possible backlash from Muslim countries.
    "If our companies continue to make good quality products, they have nothing to worry about," he said.
     
  2. Tumain

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    Waswis wanaota ndoto ya mchana, msikiti lazima ujengwe kwasababu lazima watu wasali..sasa kama wao hawataki watu wasali wanamtukuza shetani ni up to them..ala

    waislamu wa uswis poleni sana, you need not to give up...
     
  3. Injinia

    Injinia JF-Expert Member

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    Tumain, walichokataa si ujenzi wa misikiti, ni ile minara (minarets) yenye kufungwa speaker/ public address system kwa ajili ya kuita waumini ibadani. Argument yao nadhani umeona hapo juu, wanaona kama utamaduni wao unaingiliwa na utamaduni wa ujenzi ambao labda wao wanaona ni wa kiArabu zaidi kuliko wa Ulaya
     
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    Game Theory JF-Expert Member

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    Swiss are fighting the inevitable

    those hypocrites
     
  5. Dingswayo

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    Hap awali, nilikuwa na mawazo kuwa kila mtu ana haki ya kuabudu na kupata mahali pa kuabudia. Baadae nikapata habari zisemazo kuwa Saudi Arabia wamepiga marufuku ujenzi wa makanisa nchini mwao. Kutokana na hayo nikagundua kuwa Waswiss wamefuata tu precedence, ambayo Wa-Saudi walishainza.
     
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    Malila JF-Expert Member

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    Tumwachie mola aamue sisi tutatoana macho bure.
     
  7. ZionTZ

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    we jamaa ni wa kweli niaje...!
     
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    Sikonge JF-Expert Member

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    Mkuu,

    Waswiss ni kama Waarabu. Wanaita kitu kwa jina lake. Kama waeiba pesa za marehemu kibao, sidhani kama hii ya MISIKITI itawatisha.
     
  9. Tumain

    Tumain JF-Expert Member

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    Hii ya misikiti itawatokea puani..no one can resist even if they wish to..it is just matter of time..

    lazima wakubali kuishi na waislam..that will be the facts all over the world
     
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    ngoshwe JF-Expert Member

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    Mtu mwnye fikra za udini au ukabila unaweza kumjua hapa ndani.......why miskiti, makanisa .....kwa nni sio shule ....vyuo, masoko.....nk??
     
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    Vatican and Muslims condemn Swiss minaret ban vote
    BBC Newsonline


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    There are only four minarets in Switzerland

    Religious leaders across the world have criticised Switzerland's referendum vote to ban the building of minarets. The Vatican joined Muslim figureheads from Indonesia and Egypt, as well as Switzerland, in denouncing the vote as a blow to religious freedom.
    France's FM Bernard Kouchner expressed shock at the ban which, he said, showed "intolerance" and should be reversed.
    But European right-wing groups welcomed the result, calling for other countries to take similar measures.
    More than 57.5% of Swiss voters and 22 out of 26 cantons - or provinces - voted in favour of the ban on Sunday.
    The proposal had been put forward by the Swiss People's Party (SVP), the largest party in parliament, which said minarets were a sign of Islamisation.
    'Expression of intolerance'
    The Vatican on Monday endorsed a statement by the conference of Swiss Bishops criticising the vote for heightening "the problems of cohabitation between religions and cultures".
    Egypt's Grand Mufti Ali Gomaa described the ban as an insult to the feelings of the Muslim community in Switzerland and elsewhere.
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    [​IMG] Much of the concern is based on fear... There are only four minarets in Switzerland but there are widely-held concerns of society dividing into 'parallel communities'. [​IMG]


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    Tough debate to follow Swiss ban

    Sunday's surprise result also prompted dismay from secular leaders in Europe.
    "I am a bit shocked by this decision," Mr Kouchner told France's RTL radio on Monday. "It is an expression of intolerance and I detest intolerance.
    "I hope the Swiss will reverse this decision quickly."
    But Marine Le Pen, the deputy-leader of France's far-right National Front, praised the outcome, and said France should now hold a wider referendum on multiculturalism.
    "The elites should stop denying the hopes and fears of European peoples who, without opposing religious freedom, reject ostentatious symbols forced on them by politico-religious Muslim groups, often verging on provocation," she was quoted as saying by Agence France Presse.
    In Belgium, Italy and the Netherlands, anti-immigrant movements called on their own governments to debate similar measures.
    "What can be done in Switzerland, can be done here," said Geert Wilders, the head of the Freedom Party in the Netherlands.
    Meanwhile Roberto Calderoli, a member of Italy's Northern League, which is part of the country's ruling coalition, said: "Switzerland is sending us a clear signal: yes to bell towers, no to minarets."
    In recent years, countries across Europe have been debating how best to integrate Muslim populations.
    France focused on the headscarf, while in Germany there was controversy over plans to build one of Europe's largest mosques.
    Government ignored
    The vote is very bad news for the Swiss government which fears unrest among the Muslim community, says the BBC's Imogen Foulkes in Bern.
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    Wilders welcomed the ban and called for the Netherlands to follow suit

    The Swiss government had opposed the ban, saying it would harm Switzerland's image, particularly in the Muslim world.
    Voters worried about rising immigration - and with it the rise of Islam - had ignored the government's advice, our correspondent adds.
    The government said it accepted the decision, and that the construction of new minarets would no longer be permitted.
    Justice Minister Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf said: "Concerns [about Islamic fundamentalism] have to be taken seriously.
    "However, a ban on the construction of new minarets is not a feasible means of countering extremist tendencies."
    She sought to reassure Swiss Muslims, saying the decision was "not a rejection of the Muslim community, religion or culture".
    'Major problems'
    Switzerland is home to some 400,000 Muslims and has just four minarets.
    After Christianity, Islam is the most widespread religion in Switzerland, but it remains relatively hidden.
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    Kouchner said he hoped the Swiss would reverse the decision

    There are unofficial Muslim prayer rooms, and planning applications for new minarets are almost always refused.
    Supporters of a ban claimed that allowing minarets would represent the growth of an ideology and a legal system - Sharia law - which are incompatible with Swiss democracy.
    But others say the referendum campaign incited hatred. On Thursday the Geneva mosque was vandalised for the third time during the campaign, according to local media.
    Amnesty International said the vote violated freedom of religion and would probably be overturned by the Swiss supreme court or the European Court of Human Rights.
    The president of Zurich's Association of Muslim Organisations, Tamir Hadjipolu, told the BBC: "This will cause major problems because during this campaign mosques were attacked, which we never experienced in 40 years in Switzerland.
    "Islamaphobia has increased intensively."
    Sunday's referendum was held after the SVP collected 100,000 signatures from voters within 18 months calling for a vote.
     
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    Waacheni Waswizi waamue Swizi iweje.

    Hivi Saudi unaweza kujenga kanisa? Achilia mbali kuweka kengele ya kanisa.

    Tukitaka Swizi iwe kama Saudi tutapoteza Swizi.
     
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    Nakubaliana nawe kabisa lakini hawa Wasaudi bado wako nyuma sana katika freedom of religion na katika nyanja nyingi nyinginezo. Kama marafiki zao wakubwa US na jumuiya ya kimataifa wakiamua kuwashinikiza ili nao waruhusu freedom of religion na katika nyanja nyingine basi watakuwa hawana jinsi bali kukubali shinikizo hilo na kuleta mabadiliko makubwa katika nchi hiyo na nchi nyingine za kiarabu.
     
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    Fundi Mchundo JF-Expert Member

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    Mambo kama haya ndiyo yanayowafanya waswis wawastukie waislamu.

    Habari zaidi hapa:

    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20091124/twl-tv-presenter-on-death-row-for-witchc-3fd0ae9.html

    Kwa mtaji huu watu kama wakina Sheikh Yahya Hussein wangekuwa wapi?

    Amandla........
     
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    Mkuu Uswiss ni nchi ya watu,
     
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    Msavila JF-Expert Member

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    KAMA KILICHOKATALIWA NI MINARA TU NO SWEAT. MAANA NIMEONA WATU WAKIABUDU NA KUENDESHA SWALA KWENYE FORMER GARAGES HUKO BELGIUM. nA AMINI MINARA NI KELELEZO TU IMANI IKO MOYONI NA HAMNA WAKUIZUIA. WAMETEKELEZA HAKI YAO YA KIDEMOKRASIA!!!
     
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    Bluray JF-Expert Member

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    Wameona noma tu kupiga marufuku misikiti as that would be too extreme, lakini mioyoni mwao wanataka kupiga marufuku misikiti.

    Na the way Europe inavyokuwa non-religious siku hizi hata hayo makanisa wanayathamini kwa sababu za utamaduni, sanaa na nostalgia.

    Ama sivyo nayo wangeyapigilia marufuku siku nyingi tu.
     
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    Tumain JF-Expert Member

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    Ni nchi ya watu kina nani? maana kuna waswis waislamu wazawa...wakitaka kusali watafanyeji au unafikiri waislamu wa uswisi ni wakuja tuu..umekaa kubagua watu what a shame
     
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    Nini kujenga kanisa,..Saudia ukionekana umevaa hata msalaba tu..mziki wake hutauweza.
     
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    Tumain JF-Expert Member

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    which part of saudi you have been? acha longolongo
     
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