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Washington state sells 2 passenger ferries to Tanzania

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    By Susan Gilmore
    Seattle Times staff reporter

    The state has finally sold two of its discarded passenger ferries, the Kalama and the Skagit, to the African nation Tanzania.

    They had operated between Seattle and Vashon Island until the state got out of the passenger-ferry business in 2009.

    The two ferries had been sold to a boat broker in Port Coquitlam, B.C., which sold them to Tanzania. They will be put in service between the mainland of Tanzania and the Zanzibar archipelago. They were sold for $400,000, far below the $900,000 value the state said they were worth in December 2009.

    Marta Coursey, spokeswoman for Washington State Ferries, said the two boats will be taken to Africa by cargo ship.

    The state had initially hoped to sell the two 112-foot boats locally, but when that failed it placed them for auction on eBay, asking $300,000 each, with no success. The ferries were built in New Orleans and purchased in 1989 for $5 million.

    Ferry historian Steve Pickens said the Kalama and the Skagit were the first two passenger boats the state built. They were supposed to go into service in 1989, but were tied up because there was no money to run them. Following the Loma Prieta earthquake of 1989, the two vessels were sent to San Francisco and served commuters crossing the bay while the city's bridges were repaired.


    Local News | Washington state sells 2 ferries to Tanzania | Seattle Times Newspaper
     
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    PPA haukufuatwa hapa

    hatukuona tangazo kwenye public domain

    hatukuona hiyo pre qualification

    hatukuona majina ya waliopitishwa

    was it value for money?

    PPRA wajieleze kuhusu hili ama sivyo we are going back to yale yaleee
     
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    Upuuzi kama huu huwezi kusikia unatokea Kenya

    Nahisi kutakuwa na mkono wa balozi Stith ambaye naona kaamua kuhamishia ofisi yake ya madili pale Movenpick

    This is embarassing

    Yaani kitu kilichokuwa rejected ebay tunaletewa sisi...yaani kila kukicha Serikali yangu inazidi kunitia unyonge..WHERE IS OUR PRIDE as a nation?

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    Makes you wonder

    TANZA TRADE WASHINGTON WALIFANYA KAZI YAO?

    JE ROLE YA UBALOZI WETU WASHINGTON NI IPI?

    JE SUMATRA WATARIDHIA HUU UPUUZI?

    JE WIZARA HUSIKA ILIWAKILISHWA NA AKINA NANI?

    JE USHAURI WA MA ENGINEER ULISEMA NINI BAADA YA INSPECTION?

    JE GHARAMA ZINGINE ZAIDI YA ZA UNUNUZI NI ZIPI?

    this wont end well....................................................................
     
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    Hakuna mtu kasema zimenunuliwa na serikali jamani! Kama kanunua mtu binafsi kuna mbaya gani?

    Kwanza serikali haina biashara ya kupeleka watu Zanzibar. Lazima kanunua mtu binafsi.
     
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    Ina maana zimepass test ya kufanya kazi bongo? Au kkiwa kazini mara tutasikia imezamisha abiria huko baharini. wamerekani walikuwa wanatafuta sehemu ya kuzidump naona wamepata
     
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    Ajali ikishatokea mtamlaumu mtu binafsi au serikali?
     
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    Huyo mtu binafsi atakapoomba kibali cha kuchukulia watu ndipo serikali itahusika. Bado hajapewa kibali. You guys are jumping the gun!

    Mtu kanunua feri, bila shaka atazikarabati ipasavyo kabla hajapewa kibali cha kuchukulia abiria. Kuna tatizo gani?
     
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    There is very big problem with these ferries. Read below.

    With the promise of passenger only service realized with the Express (later Tyee) WSF ordered a pair of new boats to expand the service. The two, named Skagit and Kalama were built for five million dollars in 1989 by Halter Marine of New Orleans. The original design of these boats were cbased on one used to ferry offshore crew to oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico. WSF altered the superstructure by adding another deck to accommodate more passengers.

    Arriving in the fall of 1989 the boats along with the Tyee were tied up. There were no funds to run them. The state's newest members of the fleet sat unused and in limbo. The Loma Prieta Earthquake in San Francisco put the boats to work. Loaned to the city while the bridges were down, the ferries proved their worth--and it would turn out to be their finest moment.

    Returning to Puget Sound, the ferries went into serivce...and soon after the complaints began. Deisigned for the Gulf of Mexico, the boats rolled with the waves. The cabins proved to be uncomfortable, freezing in the winter and sweltering in the summer. The residents along Rich Passage began complaining about erosion on their beaches due to the the large wake the ferries produced. To appease property owners, WSF slowed the boats.

    The were successful on the direct route from Vashon to down town Seattle, where the open water presented no issues with the wake. The pair proved to be unreliable and subject to frequent breakdowns. When Washington State Ferries started a new passenger only program with the Chinook and Snohomish, plans called for the Skagit and Kalama to be retired. Instead, the ax fell on the passenger only program in 2005. The Chinook and Snohomish were pulled off the Bremerton run and the full scale dismantling of the passenger only fleet started, beginning with the auction of the Tyee on eBay.

    The Skagit and Kalama were assigned to carry on at Vashon. The commuters on Vashon Island remained grateful for their ungainly boats. The two provide the link from the Island directly to downtown Seattle, instead of going to the dock at Fauntleroy in West Seattle as the auto boats do.

    In the winter of 2006, the legislature directed the sale of the Chinook and Snohomish. The remaining passenger only run between Vashon Island and down town Seattle was to be discontinued by Washington State Ferries by 2009.

    After the summer schedule of 2009 King County took over the Vashon-Seattle run, using the 149 passnger catamaran Melissa Ann. King County has plans to lease up to three 149-passenger vessels: one for Vashon; one for the water taxi; and one for backup. Eventually the county will buy its own fleet.

    The Skagit and Kalama were declared surplus in the fall of 2009. The state tried to sell them on eBay but were unsuccessful. The next step would be to list them with a boat broker. At the time of this writing in the spring of 2010 the vessels remain tied up at Eagle Harbor.

    The Monohulled Passenger Only Boats Skagit and Kalama
     
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    Kama tatizo ni passenger comfort tu na siyo sana safety issues hai-mati sana kama mnunuzi ni mtu binafsi. Uroda wa raia wa Marekani siyo sawa na wa Bongo bana kwa hiyo what's the big deal? Mbona daladala karibia zote watu wanajazana 20 plus beyond normal allowable passenger capacity ya mabasi husika lakini hamna anayepiga kelele?
     
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    The problem is not only about passenger comfort. Just in 2009, the American Coast & Harbor Engineering, Inc. (CHE) conducted a qualitative analysis of propwash, vessel wakes, and shoreline erosion to evaluate possible impacts of replacing the MV Skagit and Kalama (the ones sold to Tanzania) with the MV Melissa Ann passenger-only ferry on the Vashon Island/Downtown Seattle route. CHE has concluded the following:

    1) The probability of vessel wake impact from Melissa Ann on the ambient aquatic environment would be smaller than that from the existing ferry Skagit.

    2) Melissa Ann's propulsion system will likely create less impact on bottom sediment (scour and re-suspension) due to less propwash velocity than the existing vessel Skagit.

    3) The probability of adverse impact on the shoreline from Melissa Ann would be less due to smaller run-up heights than from the existing ferry Skagit.

    For more see attached report below.

    An American commented the following on the ferries when they were put on Ebay for sale: "It is officially the end of an era at Washington State Ferries: the last of the passenger only fleet has been put up for sale on eBay. The Skagit and Kalama's finest hour wasn't even spent on Puget Sound. After the massive San Francisco earthquake in '89, the ferries, idled here due to no money to run them were sent down to the Bay to ferry passengers across until repairs to the bridges could be made.

    Back on Puget Sound, residents on Rich Passage began to complain about...you guessed it...beach erosion. The unattractive little boats (which always reminded me of the rubber tip of a pointer stick) were generally loathed by commuters. They were uncomfortable, bobbing around like corks (which they were actually designed to do) and were blazing hot in the summer and freezing in the winter. They earned the nickname of the "tuna boats" and the "Kalamity" and "Skankit."

    Their final assignment was on the Vashon-Seattle run, where they ran until King County could get up and running. Farewell, Skagit and Kalama. We wonder what your ultimate fate may be..."


    And their ultimate fate is in Tanzania.
     
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    washindwe kukarabati maghala ya mabomu na kila siku naona wanajeshi wakiamka asubuhi kwenda kambini na kurudi jioni na serikali inawaoan anakuwalipa kumbe wanakwenda sinzia huko kambini, hakuna cha kuchunguzi mabomu gani yamekaa vibaya au yamepitwa na wakati au joto limezidi wafunge ac kwenye magala kweli serikali itakuwa na muda wa kukagu boti? aua mpaka imzamishe mtoto wa fisadi?
     
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    Ndio haya haya. Zitaletwa ferries chakavu hapa zikiua tunaambiwa zilikuwa mpya wakati tayri zimeshaoza na wamarekani hawazitaki tena. Kitu imewekwa mpaka ebay hakuna aliyenunua.
     
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    Well and fine. However, you might as well address the much larger issue as to why certified salvage or "junk" vehicles that don't qualify the much stricter standards in their countries of origin like the USA, Japan, Europe, etc., but yet still still keep flooding the local vehicle market in Tanzania in thousands of imported units every single month? Where do you draw the line given all this?
     
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    Kwetu si dampo, kuna mtu hajui hilo! tutaendelea kuwa dampo mpaka tutakapo pata akili ya kujenga na kuetengeneza vya kwetu hakuna jinsi, na wajamaa walishatufundisha kula raha zote tunataka magari, pikipiki mara bajaji mara ferry yote ni kutaka tuwasaidie kusonga mbele zaidi. The game is on! lets play.
     
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    jamani ...kwani mtoa mada amesema ni nani kanunua.... je ni shirika la umma ....? PPRA ... (Public Procurement Regulatory Autority) under PPA

    lets not jump in just like that .... hili bandiko content zake hazijitoshelezi
     
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    Je zimenunuliwa na serikali?
    Je haya mabasi kama dar express nayo hufuata PPRA?? Ni nini maana ya PPRA?

    Nahofia kama yamenunuliwa na serikali, lakini kama pia tutataka kila kitu PPRA, basi tutafanya bid analysis hadi ya chumvi huko tunapoelekea na kuomba PPRA kuja ku-audit
     
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    na tumepandishiwa bei zaidi ya ile reject quote ya e-bay

    "but when that failed it placed them for auction on eBay, asking $300,000 each, with no success."

    "They were sold for $400,000"
     
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