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Vita Kati Ya Urusi Na Georgia....!

Discussion in 'Habari na Hoja mchanganyiko' started by jmushi1, Aug 8, 2008.

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    jmushi1 JF-Expert Member

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    Georgia wametungua ndege mbili za kivita za Urusi na Vifaru vya Urusi vinaingia Georgia hivi sasa na vita imetanganzwa na pande zote mbili...MORNING JOE WAMETANGAZA HAPA NI BREAKING NEWS.
     
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    uporoto01 JF-Expert Member

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    This war had been coming for sometime,with all its neighbours turning to the west and Russia awash with oil and gas money Georgia wataipata
     
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    Hii vita si ndogo watu hawajui.
     
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    Ogah JF-Expert Member

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    Hii war si ndogo......tuendelee kuangalia maana makombora yaliyorushwa jana pekee....naona mambo yatakuwa makubwa zaidi kadiri siku zinavyoendelea........
     
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    Hawa Georgia ndio viherehere kwa nini walivamia South Ossentia?Kwa sababu most of South Ossentians ni Rusians therefore Russia had every right to protect its citizens.Sasa Russia onyesheni mapigo yenu am so sure Medvedev na Waziri Mkuu wake Putin they are going to make sure the Georgians are heavily punished and by the way its a small country compared to Russia.
     
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    Ben Saanane Verified User

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    Mmarekani kama kawaida yake najua yko nyuma ya Georgia.Ila huyu kijana Medved anaonekana kuwa na uzalendo ingawa putin ame-manipulate interest za warusi
     
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    hii inaweza kuathiri bei ya mafuta kwa kuifanya ipande na matokeo yake, maisha yakawa magumu zaidi kwetu
     
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    Georgia 'under attack' as Russian tanks roll in
    Georgia's president said Friday that his country is under attack by Russian tanks and warplanes, and he accused Russia of targeting civilians as tensions over the breakaway Georgian region of South Ossetia appeared to boil over into full-blown conflict. full story http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/08/georgia.explainer/index.html
     
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    Vita Georgia? Nyani Ngabu and the ATL posse watapona hapo? :)

    It's Friday in case you are wondering.
     
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    Ni kweli USA ina issuport Gergia kwa mujibu wa The tImes

    Russia entered the fight today between the US-backed republic of Georgia and the breakaway region of South Ossetia, the New York Times reports. Russian tanks rolled into the disputed region to back Ossetian rebels, and Georgia shot down two Russia aircraft, the AP reports. The violence is the worst in years in the Caucasus region, which controls the flow of oil from the Caspian Sea to world markets. At least 25 people, including civilians, have been killed since yesterday.
    http://www.newser.com/section/2/world-news-headlines.html?gclid=cpe9s-zv_pqcfq6s1qodeihpqa
     
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    WWIII?

    Just when you thought the Cold War was history, the actual War between "The Eagle" and "The Bear" emerges.

    Farfetched?
     
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    Nah...The Eagle won't dare to poke it's nose in this.....it knows better....
     
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    What are you talking about, it is already in the mix, behind the scenes of course.Do you really think the "Mujahedeen" defeated the Soviets on their own? Have you seen / read "Charlie Wilson's War" (True Story)?
     
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    Game Theory JF-Expert Member

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    I seem to recall that Georgia was supposed to "help out" the US in Afghanistan and not the US to come to the rescue of Georgia.

    As far as NATO is concerned, the notion that, say, Belgian troops would die for mad Mikhail's ambitions is comical enough to make a discussion if it could happen utterly superfluous.
     
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    I meant openly....of course there's plenty going on behind the scenes....

    The Mujahedeen didn't defeat the Soviets on their own in the same way America didn't defeat the Viet Congs or the North Koreans....
     
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    GT,

    What about the talk that Georgia is finding it's muscle in a secret backhanded military and open moral US support?

    See this Reuters report "Bush backs Georgia's territorial integrity"

    US Public opinion as far as back in 2004, gauging by editorials seems to favor Georgia
     
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    US involvement in this will be very limited....
     
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    Kitendo cha yule jasusi kuuwawa huko Uingereza pamoja na Putin kuwagomea Waingereza na Wamarekani kuhusu kuendelea kuwa madarakani...Mtu huyu ambaye ni KGB...Ameweza kumweka Medved hapo alipo..Na yeye kama waziri mkuu na KGB mwenyewe...Basi bado ana nguvu sana...Na inasemekana anamiliki asilimia nyingi sana tu za mafuta yaliyoko kwenye mzunguko wa uchumi duniani....

    Putin, the Kremlin power struggle and the $40bn fortune

    [​IMG] Russian president Vladimir Putin, whose alleged accumulated wealth of $40bn would make him Europe's richest man. Photograph: Maxim Marmur/AP

    An unprecedented battle is taking place inside the Kremlin in advance of Vladimir Putin's departure from office, the Guardian has learned, with claims that the president presides over a secret multibillion-dollar fortune.
    Rival clans inside the Kremlin are embroiled in a struggle for the control of assets as Putin prepares to transfer power to his hand-picked successor, Dmitry Medvedev, in May, well-placed political observers and other sources have revealed.
    At stake are billions of dollars in assets belonging to Russian state-run corporations. Additionally, details of Putin's own personal fortune, reportedly hidden in Switzerland and Liechtenstein, are being discussed for the first time.
    The claims over the president's assets surfaced last month when the Russian political expert Stanislav Belkovsky gave an interview to the German newspaper Die Welt. They have since been repeated in the Washington Post and the Moscow Times, with speculation over the fortune appearing on the internet.
    Citing sources inside the president's administration, Belkovsky claims that after eight years in power Putin has secretly accumulated more than $40bn (£20bn). The sum would make him Russia's - and Europe's - richest man.
    In an interview with the Guardian, Belkovsky repeated his claims that Putin owns vast holdings in three Russian oil and gas companies, concealed behind a "non-transparent network of offshore trusts".
    Putin "effectively" controls 37% of the shares of Surgutneftegaz, an oil exploration company and Russia's third biggest oil producer, worth $20bn, he says. He also owns 4.5% of Gazprom, and "at least 75%" of Gunvor, a mysterious Swiss-based oil trader, founded by Gennady Timchenko, a friend of the president's, Belkovsky alleges.
    Asked how much Putin was worth, Belkovsky said: "At least $40bn. Maximum we cannot know. I suspect there are some businesses I know nothing about." He added: "It may be more. It may be much more.
    "Putin's name doesn't appear on any shareholders' register, of course. There is a non-transparent scheme of successive ownership of offshore companies and funds. The final point is in Zug [in Switzerland] and Liechtenstein. Vladimir Putin should be the beneficiary owner."
    Putin has not commented on Belkovsky's claims. The Guardian put the allegations to the Kremlin but was told Putin's chief spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, was not available.
    Discussion of Putin's wealth has previously been taboo. But the claims have leaked out against the backdrop of a fight inside the Kremlin between a group led by Igor Sechin, Putin's influential deputy chief of staff, and a "liberal" clan that includes Medvedev.
    The Sechin group is made up of siloviki - Kremlin officials with security/military backgrounds. It is said to include Nikolai Patrushev, the head of the Federal Security Service (FSB), Russia's KGB successor agency, his deputy Alexander Bortnikov, and Putin's aide Viktor Ivanov.
    Those associated with the liberal camp include Roman Abramovich, the Russian oligarch and owner of Chelsea football club who is close to Putin and the Yeltsin family. Other members are Viktor Cherkesov, the head of the federal drug control service, and Alisher Usmanov, an Uzbek-born billionaire.
    Insiders say the struggle has little to do with ideology. They characterise it as a war between business competitors. Putin's decision to endorse as president Medvedev - who has no links with the secret services - dealt a severe blow to the hardline Sechin clan, they add.
    Some analysts have said Putin would like to retire but has been forced to carry on to shield Medvedev from siloviki plotting. Others disagree and say Putin wants to stay in power. On Monday Putin confirmed he intends next year to become Russia's prime minister.
    "The siloviki are not at all nice," Yulia Latynina, a Russian political commentator said. Latynina, who hosts a political talkshow on the liberal radio station Ekho Moskvy, was one of the first journalists to draw attention last month to Putin's reported links with Gunvor.
    The company is based in Zug, a picturesque Swiss canton known as a bolthole for publicity-shy international businessmen. Gunvor has neither a website nor a Moscow office - but in 2007 posted profits of $8bn on a turnover of $43bn, an astronomic figure, according to industry experts. Like Putin, its reclusive owner, Timchenko, worked in the KGB's foreign affairs directorate. He is said to have met Russia's president in the late 1980s through KGB circles.
    Gunvor, which has its head office in Geneva, failed to comment.
    Critics say the wave of renationalisations under Putin has transformed Putin's associates into multimillionaires. The dilemma now facing the Kremlin's elite is how to hang on to its wealth if Putin leaves power, experts say. Most of its money is located in the west, they add. The pressing problem is how to protect these funds from any future administration that may seek to reclaim them.
    "There's no point in having all this money if you can't travel to the Maldives or Paris and spend it," Elena Panfilova, the director of Transparency International in Russia said.
    The first hints of the intra-clan warfare gripping the Kremlin emerged last month, when the FSB arrested General Alexander Bulbov, the deputy head of the federal drug agency, and part of the liberal group. His arrest saw a surreal standoff, with his bodyguards and FSB agents pointing machine guns at each other.
    Earlier this month Russia's deputy finance minister, Sergei Storchak - another "liberal" - was also arrested and charged with embezzling $43.4m. He is currently in prison. His boss, Russia's finance minister, Alexei Kudrin, part of the liberal clan, says he is innocent.
    But the liberal group - one of several competing factions inside the Kremlin - has struck back. Earlier this month Oleg Shvartsman, a previously obscure businessman, gave an interview to Kommersant newspaper claiming he secretly managed the finances of a group of FSB officers. Their assets were worth £1.6bn, he revealed.
    The officers were involved in "velvet reprivatisations", Shvartsman, a fund manager, said - in effect forcibly acquiring private companies at below-market value and transforming them into state-owned firms. These assets were redistributed via offshore companies, he said.
    According to Panfilova, the "randomised" corruption of the 1990s has given way to the "systemic and institutionalised corruption" of the Putin era. Members of Putin's cabinet personally control the most important sectors of the economy - oil, gas and defence. Medvedev is chairman of Gazprom; Sechin runs Rosneft; other ministers are chairmen of Russian railways, Aeroflot, a nuclear fuel giant and an energy transport enterprise.
    Putin has created a new, more streamlined oligarchy, his critics say. "The crown jewels of the country's wealth have ended up in the hands of Putin's inner circle," Vladimir Rzyhkov - a former independent MP - wrote in Monday's Moscow Times.
    Belkovsky - who published a book about Putin's finances last year, and who is the director of the National Strategic Institute, a Moscow thinktank - claims he is confident of his assessment of Putin's hidden wealth. "It's not a secret among the elites,' he said. "But please pay attention that Vladimir Vladimirovich [Putin] has never sued me."
    Belkovsky adds that the west has misunderstood Putin and has been distracted by his "neo-Soviet" image. Putin, Belkovsky claims, is ultimately a "classic" businessman who believes money can solve any problem, and whose psychology was shaped by his experiences working in the St Petersburg mayor's office in Russia's crime-ridden early 1990s.
    "He is quite sure of this. A problem that can't be resolved with $1bn can be resolved with $10bn, and if not with $10bn then $20bn, and so on," Belkovsky said.
    In an interview on Wednesday with Time magazine, which named Putin its person of the year, the president vehemently denied that those inside the Kremlin were corrupt.
    Asked whether "some of the people closest to you are getting rich", Putin said: "Then you know who and how. Write to us, to the foreign ministry, if you are so confident. I presume you know the names, you know the systems and the tools. "I can assure you and everyone who would listen to us, watch us and read us, that the reaction would be swift, immediate, [and] within the prevailing law."
     
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    Nilipocheki mavifaa ya kivita ya Georgia na ya Urusi nikajiuliza hivi tungevamiwa leo sisi wadanganyika, je tungeibuka na helikopta zetu za kigabacholi? Poor us!!!!

    Sisi saizi zetu ni ushelisheli tu.
     
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    Tatizo ni collaboration ya Mrusi,Mchina na mwarabu na baadhi ya mataifa ya Afrika dhidi ya West...Sasa hapo bila mazungumzo si ni WWIII Hii ama vipi?
    Maana huko Georgia nako si mafuta?
    Na ndio maana Mrusi na yeye akafufua uhusiano na Mcuba..Noma mbaya sana ndugu yangu, Bila kukaa mezani hakitaeleweka.
    West inaelekea wameminywa mbavu na hao warusi na nilishangazwa sana na Bush kusema eti macho ya Putin ni ya MTU MWEMA!
    Sasa naona mgogoro ulikuwa kuhusu Russia nao kujiunga na EU Lakini inaelekea Russia wanadai territory kubwa na wengine nao pia.
     
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