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Uwezo wa waendesha mashtaka

Discussion in 'Habari na Hoja mchanganyiko' started by bnhai, Oct 22, 2009.

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    bnhai JF-Expert Member

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    Hivi karibuni kesi maarufu ya akina Zombe ilimalizika kwa serikali kubwaga vibaya. Wapo walioona kuwa mahakama haikutenda haki kwa ndugu wa wafia. Lakini binafsi naamini suala halikuwa mahakama bali ni uwezo wa wanasheria wa serikali.
    Leo katika gazeti la daily news, kesi ya Liyumba imeripotiwa. Kwa akili ndogo kabisa hata bila kuhitaji taaluma ya sheria utaona kuwa upande wa mashtaka unafanya utani maana ushahidi wao umejaa mapungufu makubwa. Km na mashihidi watakaofuata watatoa ushahidi wa aina ile basi muda si mrefu Liyumba atarejea kazini.
    Kama hawa ndio wanasheria wanaotegemewa nchini, nini mustakbali wa nchi yetu?
     
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    Buchanan JF Diamond Member

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    Sasa mbona na wewe umekuwa kama hao waendesha mashtaka au wanasheria wa serikali, kama ulivyowaita, kwa kuelezea mambo nusu nusu? Ushahidi unaousema ni upi na upungufu wa ushahidi huo ni upi? Hilo gazeti la Daily News lilisemaje? Be straight to the point kama mtu aliyeenda shule sio kuuma maneno!
     
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    bnhai JF-Expert Member

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    Nilidhani ungekimbia kwenye site ya gazeti usome. Haya hiyo hapo
    1st witness: all payments were made before BoT board's approval[​IMG] Former Bank of Tanzania Director of Personnel and Administration Mr Amatus Liyumba consults with his defence counsels during a brief recess yesterday at the Kisutu Resident Magistrate’s Court in Dar es salaam yesterday. They are from left Onesmo Kyauke, Hilary Mkatte and Hudson Ndusyepo. (Photo by Muhidin Issa Michuzi)Most ReadMore News

    ABOUBAKAR FAMAU & BETTY BHOKE, 22nd October 2009 @ 10:46

    Lastly, the first witness testified in the case involving the BoT scandal today, revealing to the Kisutu court that all the payments made during the controversial building of the Twin Towers were made before the approval of the BOT board of directors.

    The witness, Mr Seif Kassanga who introduced himself as a civil engineer and an investigator, said that he officially took on the responsibility as a PCCB agent probing the construction of the 10 Mirambo Twin Towers in June, 2008.

    The man at the center of the case is Amatus Liyumba, the former Director of Personnel and Administration of Bank of Tanzania currently is accused of causing to the government a loss of 221bn/-.

    Mr. Kassanga told the Kisutu Resident Magistrate's in Dar es Salaam that his investigation concluded that, Liyumba had caused a total loss of 253.9 million US dollars as part of the alterations made to the contract.

    The alterations included the addition of four extra storeys in each tower making them to eighteen storeys instead of fourteen, helicopter landing pad on top of each tower, extra basement in both the car park and the conference with the addition of granite tiles on the walls instead of normal plastering and paintings. The initial cost of the project was 73.6 million USD.

    While presenting a certified copy of the contract as an exhibit before the panel of the magistrates led by Mr Edson Mkasimwongwa, there was out right objection from the defence side.

    The court was told by the defence led by advocate Hilary Mkate that, it can not consider a certified copy of the contract before seeing the original version and questioned the credibility of the witness for having presented a certified copy since he was not the custodian of the original copy.

    The argument reigned, led to the adjournment of the court for twenty five minutes whereby after resuming it ruled out accepting it because it was certified by the reliable and experienced advocate therefore placed no doubt on the document.

    During the cross examination, Mr. Kasanga, admitted that, Liyumba’s case had no corruption linkage but his offense is related to corrupt transaction.

    Mr. Mkate questioned how the accused could have made all those major financial decisions by himself without prior authority from his boss who was by then, the late governor Dr. Daudi Balali. With these questions, Mr. Kasanga seemed to have run short of words and remained speechless.

    Realizing that Liyumba was only a junior staff at the BoT and not a member in the board of directors, only working on orders from his superiors, Mr. Mkate further was prompted to question, whether Liyumba’s execution of the orders was an insubordination or obedience to his superiors.

    When asked how the accused caused a loss to the alleged government, he still had no appropriate answer to the question and insisted that, his conclusion is based on a series of letters he claimed to have been written by Liyumba to the Consultancy ordering them to make the alterations.

    The witness was seen mumbling amid cheers from the public gallery when he was asked why the board was not brave enough to object the changes since their presence in the board of directors was to safeguard the interest of the government.

    Mr. Kasanga claimed to be in possession of some minutes of the meetings of the BoT board of directors reprimanding the negligence of the BoT administration regarding the alteration of the contract and the series of payments being without their approval. When asked to produce them, he failed and claimed some of the minutes bore no signatures.

    Ironically, even the witness as a civil engineer gave a testimony that with the alteration to the new towers, it has only added value hence prompting an obvious question from both the panel of magistrate and the defensive side as to what loss therefore Liyumba had caused to the government.

    As the witness was busy biting his tongue, Mr. Mkate sarcastically said, “mchezo mumeuanza wenyewe hakikisha munaucheza vizuri,” literary meaning, they had started the game they should make sure they play tactfully.

    On the occasion, the witness clarified that, during his investigation, he did not realized that, any of the BoT board members was involved in the scandal.

    Although during his investigation, he interrogated Prof. Michael Shirima, Letis Rutashobya. The BoT Director of Finance Elisa Sangiya was also among the interrogated and he claimed to have been sidelined in the whole process.

    The testimony that lasted for more than five hours was adjourned until tomorrow to pave to for the second witness.
     
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    bnai,

    1. Make your case, don't expect everybody to see things the way you see them. Inawezekana wewe ukasoma article hiyo ukaona bluu mwingine akasoma article hiyo hiyo akaona red.

    2. Katika hilo hilo la ku make your case, unaweza kuwasaidia wengine kusoma the entire article kwa kwenda kwenye main point yako.Jana kuna mtu katoa article inayohusu tume ya madini, moja kwa moja nikasoma paragraph tatu za kwanza nikagundua waziri amefanya makosa kwa kuwa overly presumptuos mpaka katoa mwezi April mwakani kwamba ndiyo mwezi ambao musawa utapitishwa tayari kuwa sheria, bila kusema kuwa this is tentative and subject to parliamentary passing, kwa hiyo nikasema hili kwamba waziri amekuwa presumptive na kulifanya bunge kuwa rubber stamp kwa aina ya kuaibisha.Wengine wanaweza kuliangalia hilo kwa makini zaidi kwa sababu nimelisema specifically.Kwa hiyo specificity ni muhimu ndiyo maana mkuu hapo juu akasisitiza kuwa specific, sio unasema vitu generally tu.

    3. Kuhusu ya Zombe, bila hata ya kwenda kwenye details sana, wewe unashangazwa na uzembe wa waendesha mashitaka wa serikali? Ingawa inawezekana kweli kabisa hili linaweza kuwa linatokana na uzembe na kutokujua au kufuatilia mambo, siwezi kushangaa if the whole thing is deliberate and they are merely doing that to go easy on Zombe and have him walk Scott free. He was a very central part of the system and for all we know bado ana network ya watu powerful sana katika system.
     
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    Buchanan JF Diamond Member

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    Kwenye post #3 bnhai umeweka article bila kui-link na maelezo yako! Kwenye post #1 pia ulisema Kesi ya Zombe imeripotiwa kwenye Gazeti la Daily News wakati kwenye post #3 umetuletea article yenye kesi ya Liyumba! Kama ulikuwa hujajiandaa na mjadala usiuanzishe pls!
     
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    bnhai JF-Expert Member

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    Nimeliona Tatizo I meant kesi ya Liyumba imeripotiwa
     
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    Kutoka post #3 naomba uje na observation yako ambayo ni specific sasa, achana na general overview: Mwanasheria yupi wa Serikali kafanya nini ambacho wewe umekiona ni weakness?
     
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    bnhai JF-Expert Member

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    Yah kuna watu wanaona blue na wengine wanaona red. Hii ni kweli kabisa. Sasa km bado huoni fuatilia ushahidi wa leo mahakamani nadhani utayaona madudu yako wapi.
     
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    You are not helping anybody, least of all you are not helping yourself being clear. Can you get specific?
     
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    Buchanan JF Diamond Member

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    Sure, this guy is not straightforward! Mpaka sasa sijamwelewa anataka nini kwenye thread hii! Tumeacha kujadili anachotaka kijadiliwe tumeanza kumjadili yeye! Anaonekana hafai hata kuliko wale anaowalaumu!
     
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    bnhai JF-Expert Member

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    Yah inawezekana kbs sifai kuliko hata wale ninaotaka kuwalaum au vinginevyo.
    Lengo hasa halikuwa kuzungumzia kesi ya Zombe maana km mtu ulifuatilia mtiririko wa mashtaka utaona ushahidi uliokuwa unaotelewa ni kiasi gani unapwaya.
    Katika hili hasa la msingi. Ukisoma kwa makini utaona kabisa kwamba huyo anayeitwa shahidi wa kwanza ambaye wiki iliyopita kesi iliahirishwa kwa sababu ya kuumwa (unless wameamua kuanza na shahidi mwingine) anasema; Liyumba aliidhinisha malipo ya upanuzi au ubadilishaji wa ramani hata bila ya ruhusa ya mabosi wake. Hilo ni moja lkn msingi wa hili ni huu, anaweza akabadilisha mara ngapi (maana mabadiliko ni mengi) bila hata bodi kuchukua hatua. Nani anaweza kuinflate costs kiasi hicho na aachwe tu. Mbele kidogo anajichanganya zaidi, alikuwa anabadilisha kabla ya vikao vya bodi then bodi inaapprove. Sasa kama bodi inaapprove, imeapprove mara ngapi makosa ya liyumba na kwa kiasi chote hicho?? Kwa ufupi kwenye makala hiyo utaona ni ushahidi usiojitolsheleza labda kama unalengo la kumnasua Liyumba.
    Kubwa zaidi katika ushahidi wa leo; Jana shahidi alidai bodi ilikuwa inamuonya Liyumba lakini leo mwingine anasema hajawi kuonywa Liyumba. Ondoka kidogo rudi nyuma jana; anaulizwa kuhusu karatasi au minutes anabaki anagwaya gwaya. Soooo?????
     
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