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Utabiri Wa Prof. Baregu Unakaribia

Discussion in 'Jukwaa la Siasa' started by Muke Ya Muzungu, Jun 26, 2012.

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    Muke Ya Muzungu JF-Expert Member

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    Mtakubaliana na mimi kwamba. Prof. Baregu aliona mbali sana kable ya kuandika haya makala. Aliyoyazungumzia ni kama utabiri wa aina fulani. Huyu nzee amenifundisha pale mlimani, na kusema kweli ni mtu mwenye uzalendo wa kipekee. Embu soma sehemu yenye rangi nyekundu. Tanzania inawahitaji Baregu, Mwanakijiji, Myinka Dr. Slaa na Mbowe wawili tu na nchi itanyooka. Hongera profesa kwa makala mazuri.

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    Couple of weeks ago, The Citizen newspaper, carried a very interesting article authored by Dr. Mwesiga Baregu. The article discussed China’s role in the African peace and security. Dr. Baregu’s insight was very nationalist, and timely, considering the social-economic, and political state of affairs in the African continent. His observation is similar to that of other millions around the country, or other continent; Chinas encroachment of our RESOURCES as time bomb, or modern day form of social-economic colonization.

    Dr. Baregu touched on an underlying problem many of our politicians see as a hot potato, and simply do not want to touch in their effort to maintain their political correctness. This is the main reason Tanzania is always going to remain a charity case, because her leaders have no guts to say no when necessary, or stand their ground to defend what they believe in for the best interest of the country. Chinese goodies bag for Africa must be re-evaluated, because they are coming at a high price!

    Beijing has been mum at the time when the international community is struggling to mediate for peace in Africa. For example in Tunisia, Somalia, Sierra Leone, Libya and so forth, Beijing has failed to take a stand in the face of bloodbath despite her vast interest in the continent, which ranges from thirst for natural resources, to a market for goods and semi-skilled labor force in need of work. Chinese government has instead been pledging billions of dollars to Tanzania government and others across the region, but at what cost?

    While we welcome the Chinese help in many sectors of our economy, we must also raise our eyebrows as to why are they are so much interested in our country? It will be an absolute dishonesty to accuse Beijing forthwith, without providing sufficient reasons to do so. In the height of Zimbabwe social-political, and economic nightmare, Chinese flagged ship docked in the nearby South Africa with heavy weaponry destined for Zimbabwe; an act that drew international condemnation, and outrage against China.

    Beijing knew that the weapons purchased during the violence were not for peaceful purposes. They were meant to tame the opposition and their supporters into submission. They were meant to attuning the opposition into singing Mugabe’s song. China has been the main backer of brutal and oppressive Robert Mugabe’s regime that starved and killed its people. China siphoned large quantities of Sudanese oil to quench her growing thirst for energy amid human catastrophe and genocide in Darfur, only to turn around and cite her STRICT non-Interference policy on internal affairs of other countries.

    BEIJING has signed numerous oil exploration contracts with a number of African countries including Kenya, in which her president Hu-Jintao himself signed. China is in Angola, Nigeria, Democratic Republic of Congo, Zambia and many others just name a few, hunting for minerals, oil, timber, market for her goods, and work for her people. And now China is expanding her wings into Tanzania. We have a new State of Art National Stadium; thank you to the People Republic of China. Chinese have promised to modernize our Airport and many more. Let us be logical and ask ourselves a basic question, what are we paying Chinese in return?

    China has over a billion people, and some of her citizens are poorer that Tanzanians. It would be quite illogical and a dream in the wonderland to believe, that all the Chinese are doing is simply an extension of their love and generosity to the people of Tanzania. China’s “potentially explosive” population raises a concern for her leadership, who are visioning hundreds years ahead, and Africa resources seems to be a viable option to ease social, political and economic strain that lies ahead. Character traits of skillful intruder.

    China has not been an honest player at the United Nations Security Council, standing on the International community’s way against imposition of sanctions needed to get some rogue regimes to comply with world body demands; notably Zimbabwe, Sudan and Iran. She has become a global player, not only militarily, but also politically and economically, and must play a positive role that will go parallel with her role, instead of staging economic coupe de tat against the Africans.

    Every country has the right to choose her friends; likewise, Tanzanians have the right to choose countries they can partner with towards their economic prosperity. In light of this, the country must tread carefully while weighing heavily, as to what price must be paid for such cooperation. Equitable and balanced gain by both sides should be the guiding principles in Chinese economical endeavor in Africa. Our government must move rapidly to control the nuance being caused by the Chinese in all sectors of the economy. Else, time will come for LIBERATION when people’s natural reaction will take care of the matter; the youth needing their manual jobs back.

    Dr. Baregu will appreciate the fact that, China’s main want or interest in Africa is oil, minerals, and other natural resources. She is seeking dumping grounds for her semi-skilled labor force that can’t find jobs at home. Our domestic manufacturing plants are dead due to the cheap and dangerous Chinese goods. It is not in our best interest to keep silent, yet our labor market is being taken over by the semi-skilled, Chinese hawkers as in the case of Kariakoo, where Chinese machinga are rapidly replacing domestic businesses. China must be met with caution for that matter, and serious questions raised about her true intentions, ethical and peaceful role, not only in Africa but in the world.

    Mungu Ibariki Tanzania
    John Mashaka,
     
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    Ronal Reagan JF-Expert Member

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    It's high time the don't haves set the national agendas and change the political direction. The haves are too dangerous to be let alone once more.
     
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    Lonestriker JF-Expert Member

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    What is wrong with China or chinese?I find nothing wrong with their approach as they don't interfere with the internal affairs of a sovereign state.The main problem is our approach and mindset concerning our relationship with the Chinese,let's not blame them ,they are only doing business.We are not forced into doing anything with them.Let's deal with our failures first.
     
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    Du eti Mnyika? Sometimes hawa CDM wanachekesha.
     
  5. Sun Tzu

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    Professor,

    It is very unfortunate to read such an article from Prof. Baregu, anyway i would expect so, he is a mere politician and quasi academician. A sort of jack of all trade! What is wrong with Chinese? Today we live in a Globalized World, there is no single country in the developed world that does not trade with China. For instance the United States about 80% of all its products in the Malls are made in China, with the American Specifications.

    The Americans concentrate with their Defence Industry, NASA, Boeng, and General Motors they leave the rest of consumer products to be made in China and they invest heavily in China. Why no us?

    This Trading phenomena is the same to the United Kingdom, Germany. and other Western Countries.

    Professor, what is wrong for Africans to do the same and trade with China!?

    Are you afraid of the Chinese because Western Countries want us to sing that song? Are you afraid of Chines because the share of natural resources such as gas, oil and other minerals found in Africa will be shared equitablly with Chinese and the rest of the World?

    I think Professor, we should change the tune and sing another song! An African one! The song you sang is American, Bristish and a Western one not ours!

    We as Africans we need economic 'diplomacy' relations with the Chinese to put in place most needed infrastructure for our own development.

    Let us do as the Americans and the Brits do in the today's World, they put their money in China, I think we should do the same! Without being shy about it!


    The Chinese have a saying ' it doesn't matter if the cat is red or green as long as she catches mouse, you have your cat'!


    Professor, please do research on what the Chinese business cvommunity and the Governement is doing in several countries you will realize that in Africa they build roads, bridges housing estates, Economic Processing Zone, Dams and industries. etc,

    Please let us benefit like the rest of the World and what we need o do is to negotiate for a better deal.

    Politics aside look at Sudan, Angola, Zambia, Tanzania, U.S, England, Emirates, Germany, and then tell me why we should not be doing business with China?


    Kiingereza siyo lugha yangu! Naongea Kichina.
     
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    dudus JF-Expert Member

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    Hebu linganisha makala ya Prof. Baregu na ile ya Prof. Sharif wa Uamsho kule Zanzibar and see the difference. Ya Prof. Baregu inaonesha aina ya mtu mzalendo asiyefungwa na "kifungo" chochote wakati ile ya Prof. Sharif ni ya Pofesa aliyevaa kwanza koti na gamba la udini ndipo akaanza kuandika makala yake akiwa ndani ya boksi la udini.
     
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    Dr Amri Mabewa Member

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    be very care to a friend who always give you,he must be deriving some benefits from you,"there is no free lunch under the sun"
     
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    haya makala ni mazito sana. Ila mbona naona majita tofauti kuhusu mwandishi halisi. Kwa maana dr. Baregu amenukuliwa tu
     
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    mkurugenz JF-Expert Member

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    cjakuelewa, nitarudi soon
     
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    mkurugenz JF-Expert Member

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    beregu yule mjumbe wa tume ya katiba?
     
  11. mzalendo mtanganyika

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    kadri watanzania wanavyoambiwa ukwel wanaanza hoja za kiaina,mara "they will use you" ,,,,,,,,,poor systems hata kwenye kufikiruia mambo ya msingi
     
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    Sun Tzu
    1;What er we concentrating on which is comparable to NASA,Boeng and GMC whyl leaving what to china?er we (as a country)investing in china?is that investment as beneficial to us as it is to china?


    2;Er we puting our money to china like Americans and british do?


    3;Er chinese building roads,bridges,housing estates, econimic processing zones in Tanzania or they er just willin to lend us money (returnable wit interest and wit conditions tht we shld hire a chinese contractor) for roads and bridges which to them it is nothing bt business?


    4;I find "equitable and balanced gain by both sides should be the guiding principle to Chines-Africa busieness endevour" to be the theme of the article.

    My take;alichosema mwandish kuhusu china ni sasa kabisa mchina ni mtu wa kumwangalia sana na sjui umekuja kupinga nini akat ktk reply yako kimaudhui unakubaliana na huyu kua fanya biashara na mchina ukiangalia vizur maslah yako japo umeacha point kua na misaada upokee ukijiuliza unalipa nn au ndo mchina kakupenda sana na kwake hakuna masikini?. Article ina mifano kibao ambayo iko dhahir bt wewe umetoa mifano ambayo n too general na kwa kias kikubwa hai apply kwe situation ya mahusiano ya Tanzania-China kama ilivyo sasa. Naona umepinga kwakua tu unaamin author hatoki upande unaotoka wewe.

    China ni business entity which only focuses in making profit regardless of whts price the partner bares,she is never honest nor friendly patner. Wewe mwenyewe umesema mchina anamsemo kua "t doesn't matter tht the cat is red or green as long as it catches mouse, u have ur cat";nw in red pt gud,in green put bad,in cat put business and in mouse put profit u ll hve the meanin.
    U gotta be very careful when trading with her.
     
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    Honolulu JF-Expert Member

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    It is really a matter of time even the impossible figures in CCM will change!!

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    Mzalendokweli,

    Thank you for your intervention. My take on this artilcle we both agreee in principle that we should put our interests first, just like the Americans and the Brits, but we should not sing their songs.

    We as country and as Africans we have a lot to benefit from business engagement with China. We need to set our priorities right, and know what we want. otherwise we will end up with a raw deal.

    We need to do our thinking and not let the Chinese or Americans do the thinking for us. We have more to learn from the Chinese, For instance in the Construction work, our Fundis can can learn artisan work and quality of finishing work which is major problem to our Fundis then we can compete with them!

    Nowadays, with a lot of Chinese technicians around there are free VETA everywhere for every single standard seven (VII) leaver, you just need to ask for construction job work with Chinese for few years and then you have your paid for skills and you startt your own business what is wrong with that?

    I have seen some of the Tanzanians school drop-outs who are now leading reasonable life as masons, bricklayers, and carpenter, panel beaters and Auto Painters, because they learned their skills from Chines.

    With Chinese there is technology transfer, with others you will end up working in McDonald and kupiga box!
     
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