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USA vs China:Chinese Navy Harass US Naval Ships.

Discussion in 'International Forum' started by jmushi1, Mar 9, 2009.

  1. jmushi1

    jmushi1 JF-Expert Member

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    Mods hii mnaweza kuiunga kama ikitokea similarities,lakini bottomline lazima tuwe na thread mama ya haya mataifa mawili....Kuna habari "Brekin Nyuz" Kuwa wanajeshi wa kichina wamewa "moon" ama kuwaonyesha makalio yao wanajeshi wa marekani mara baada ya kitim tim huko kwenye water proximities, meli zao za kijeshi zimekutana huko na wachina pia wakapandisha bendera mara baada ya kuwavamia kiaina hao ma navy...Nikishapata habari kamili nitaibandika hapa...Ila swali moja bado tunajiuliza ni je so far mataifa haya nani zaidi?
     
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    Interested Observer JF-Expert Member

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    America zaidi; China ni kuongea sana na "Nguvu za soda". China is a very poor country, and they will need decades to make their own people civilized. Ask me why; if i have time will respond to you!
     
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    jmushi1 JF-Expert Member

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    Habari yenyewe hii hapa....


    WASHINGTON - The Defense Department charged Monday that five Chinese ships shadowed and maneuvered dangerously close to a U.S. Navy vessel in an apparent attempt to harass the American crew.
    Obama administration defense officials said the incident Sunday followed several days of "increasingly aggressive" acts by Chinese ships in the region.
    U.S. officials said a protest was to be delivered to Beijing's military attache at a Pentagon meeting Monday.

    The USNS Impeccable sprayed one ship with water from fire hoses to force it away. Despite the force of the water, Chinese crew members stripped to their underwear and continued closing within 25 feet, the department said.

    "On March 8, 2009, five Chinese vessels shadowed and aggressively maneuvered in dangerously close proximity to USNS Impeccable, in an apparent coordinated effort to harass the U.S. ocean surveillance ship while it was conducting routine operations in international waters," the Pentagon statement said.

    The Chinese ships included a Chinese Navy intelligence collection ship, a Bureau of Maritime Fisheries Patrol Vessel, a State Oceanographic Administration patrol vessel, and two small Chinese-flagged trawlers, officials said.
    "The Chinese vessels surrounded USNS Impeccable, two of them closing to within 50 feet, waving Chinese flags and telling Impeccable to leave the area," defense officials said in the statement.

    "Because the vessels' intentions were not known, Impeccable sprayed its fire hoses at one of the vessels in order to protect itself," the Defense statement said. "The Chinese crew members disrobed to their underwear and continued closing to within 25 feet."

    Emergency stop
    Impeccable crew radioed to tell the Chinese ships that it was leaving the area and requested a safe path to navigate, the Pentagon said.
    But shortly afterward, two of the Chinese ships stopped directly ahead of the Impeccable, forcing it to an emergency stop in order to avoid collision because the Chinese had dropped pieces of wood in the water directly in front of Impeccable's path, the Pentagon said.
    Defense officials said the incident took place in international waters in the South China Sea, about 75 miles south of Hainan Island.

    "The unprofessional maneuvers by Chinese vessels violated the requirement under international law to operate with due regard for the rights and safety of other lawful users of the ocean," said Marine Maj. Stewart Upton, a Pentagon spokesman.
    "We expect Chinese ships to act responsibly and refrain from provocative activities that could lead to miscalculation or a collision at sea, endangering vessels and the lives of U.S. and Chinese mariners," Upton added.

    Military-to-military consultations resumed

    The incident came just a week after China and the U.S. resumed military-to-military consultations following a five-month suspension over American arms sales to Taiwan.

    It also comes as Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi is due in Washington this week to meet with U.S. officials.
    And it brings to mind the first foreign policy crisis that former President George Bush suffered with Beijing shortly after he took office - China's forced landing of a spy plane and seizure of the crew in April of 2001.
    The Pentagon said the incident came after several other incidents involving the Impeccable and another U.S. vessel Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday.

    It described those as the following:
    • On Wednesday, a Chinese Bureau of Fisheries Patrol vessel used a high-intensity spotlight to illuminate the entire length of the ocean surveillance ship USNS Victorious several times as it was operating in the Yellow Sea, about 125 nautical miles from China's coast, the Pentagon said, adding that the Chinese ship Victorious' bow at a range of about 1400 yards in darkness without notice or warning. The next day, a Chinese Y-12 maritime surveillance aircraft conducted 12 fly-bys of Victorious at an altitude of about 400 feet and a range of 500 yards.
    • On Thursday, a Chinese frigate approached USNS Impeccable without warning and crossed its bow at a range of approximately 100 yards, the Pentagon said. This was followed less than two hours later by a Chinese Y-12 aircraft conducting 11 fly-bys of Impeccable at an altitude of 600 feet and a range from 100-300 feet. The frigate then crossed Impeccable's bow yet again, this time at a range of approximately 400-500 yards without rendering courtesy or notice of her intentions.
    • On Saturday, a Chinese intelligence collection ship challenged USNS Impeccable over bridge-to-bridge radio, calling her operations illegal and directing Impeccable to leave the area or "suffer the consequences."
     
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    Mwan mpambanaji JF-Expert Member

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    Ukubwa au udogo wa china au USA,hauna maslahi yoyote kwetu,wakigongana huko bora maana mafahali wawili wakipatana ni mbaya zaidi kwa wengine.Lakini pia sisi tuwajibike zaidi kwa mambo yetu
     
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    jmushi1 JF-Expert Member

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    Are you sure mkuu kuwa politics za mataifa haya makubwa hazina nafasi kwa nchi zetu "masikini" na maamuzi ya viongozi wetu?
    Je unaweza kuniambia ni kwanini Mugabe alisema sasa ni wakati wa kuelekea east ambapo jua linachomoza na kuipa mgongo west ambapo jua lina set? Nadhani ungejiuliza zaidi.
     
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    Hao wanaigombea Sudan tu hakuna kingine.
     
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    Mkuu,Hivi majuzi tuu Hilary Clinton alikuwa China kubembeleza iwasaidie katika soo lao "financial crisis"(I can explain how) sasa huo uzaidi unaousema wewe sijui ni upi?mfano mdogo tuu china ni nchi inayoongoza Kwa foreign currency deposits ukiachia currency kuwa the most stable(ukitaka data utapewa).
     
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    Mwan mpambanaji JF-Expert Member

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    Mkuu,ni wakati wa sisi kuwa na fikira huru,kufanya mambo yetu bila,kufuata siasa za China,USA,na wengine,hayo ya Mugabe ni mtazamo wake,ambao pia umepitwa na wakati.Ukweli ni kwamba maendeleo yetu yataletwa na sisi wenyewe kwa kuwajibika kwetu na kujiamini katika maamuzi yetu na si kufuata siasa za wengine,,tuachane na mambo ya COPY $ PASTE
     
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    huwezi kuacha kukopi na kupesti katika dunia hii. unataka uvumbue kila kitu chako mwenyewe? unataka tz ivumbue kila kitu chake yenyewe?

    hutofika kwa namna hiyo. tz haitafika kwa mwendo huo. wachina wenyewe hasahasa wanategemea technologia ya mmarekani. wana copy na kupesti. haiwasaidii? na leo ndo wanafahamika kama karakana ya dunia. nakumbuka majuzjuz mchina mmoja alipewa adhabu kali kabisa (nadhani ya kifo) katka marekani baada ya kupatikana na hatia ya kuiba technologia na kuipeleka china (something like that).

    sisi watz ndio tutakaoleta maendeleo ya tz - kwa kutumia maarifa yetu wenyewe pamoja na maarifa tutakayoiga au kupata pengine popote. si aibu kuiga. unachukua na unabadilisha kulingana na mazingira yako, then there you go.

    kwamfano, kwa mchina tunaweza kuiga kufanya kaz kwa bidii. kwamba hatuwez kuendelea bila kila mmoja wetu kufanya kaz sana. tunaweza kuiga pia kuwa wakali sana kwa wanaotuhujumu kama vile mafisadi. kwa mmarekani tunaweza kuiga demokrasia - kila mtu yuko huru kujieleza na nk.

    unapokuwa vitani huwez kuacha silaha eti kwa vile hujaivumbua wewe. ifanyie customization na itumie
     
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    Speech By Comrade Chi Haotian
    Vice-Chairman Of China's
    Military Commission
    December, 2005
    3-1-9
    The following is the actual text of a speech delivered in December, 2005 by Comrade Chi Haotian the Vice-Chairman of China's Military Commission to top officers and generals. Keep in mind that China has for many years advocated deceitful and covert warfare against its enemies. This is their Modus Operandi. There should be little question that a "Bird Flu" Pandemic would deeply excite them. (Don't forget how they have poisoned thousands of American pets and knowingly placed lead paints on toddler's toys.)

    "Comrades, I'm very excited today, because the large-scale online survey sina.com that was done for us showed that our next generation is quite promising and our Party's cause will be carried on. In answering the question, "Will you shoot at women, children and prisoners of war," more than 80 per cent of the respondents answered in the affirmative, exceeding by far our expectations. Today I'd like to focus on why we asked sina.com to conduct this online survey among our people. My speech today is a sequel to my speech last time, during which I started with a discussion of the issue of the three islands [Taiwan, Diaoyu Islands and the Spratley Islands --- Ott] and mentioned that 20 years of the idyllic theme of 'peace and development' had come to an end, and concluded that modernization under the saber is the only option for China's next phase. I also mentioned we have a vital stake overseas. The central issue of this survey appears to be whether one should shoot at women, children and prisoners of war, but its real significance goes far beyond that. Ostensibly, our intention is mainly to figure out what the Chinese people's attitude towards war is: If these future soldiers do not hesitate to kill even noncombatants, they'll naturally be doubly ready and ruthless in killing combatants. Therefore, the responses to the survey questions may reflect the general attitude people have towards war..We wanted to know: If China's global development will necessitate massive deaths in enemy countries; will our people endorse that scenario? Will they be for or against it?

    The fact is, our 'development' refers to the great revitalization of the Chinese nation, which, of course, is not limited to the land we have now but also includes the whole world. As everybody knows, according to the views propagated by the Western scholars, humanity as a whole originated from one single mother in Africa. Therefore no race can claim racial superiority. However, according to the research conducted by most Chinese scholars, the Chinese are different from other races on earth. We did not originate in Africa. Instead, we originated independently in the land of China. Therefore, we can rightfully assert that we are the product of cultural roots of more than a million years, civilization and progress of more than ten thousand years, an ancient nation of five thousand years, and a single Chinese entity of two thousand years. This is the Chinese nation that calls itself 'descendants of Yan and Huang.'

    During our long history, our people have disseminated throughout the Americas and the regions along the Pacific Rim, and they became Indians in the Americas and the East Asian ethnic groups in the South Pacific. We all know that on account of our national superiority, during the thriving and prosperous Tang Dynasty our civilization was at the peak of the world. We were the centre of the world civilization, and no other civilization in the world was comparable to ours. Later on, because of our complacency, narrow-mindedness, and the self-enclosure of our own country, we were surpassed by Western civilization, and the centre of the world shifted to the West.

    In reviewing history, one may ask: Will the centre of the world civilization shift back to China? Actually, Comrade Liu Huaqing made similar points in early 1980's Based on an historical analysis, he pointed out that the centre of world civilization is shifting. It shifted from the East to Western Europe and later to the United States; now it is shifting back to the East. Therefore, if we refer to the 19th Century as the British Century and the 20th century as the American Century, then the 21st Century will be the Chinese Century! (Wild applause fills the auditorium.)

    Our Chinese people are wiser than the Germans because, fundamentally, our race is superior to theirs. As a result, we have a longer history, more people, and larger land area. On this basis, our ancestors left us with the two most essential heritages, which are atheism and great unity. It was Confucius, the founder of our Chinese culture, who gave us these heritages. These two heritages determined that we have a stronger ability to survive than the West. That is why the Chinese race has been able to prosper for so long. We are destined 'not to be buried by either heaven or earth' no matter how severe the natural, man-made, and national disasters. This is our advantage. Take response to war as an example. The reason that the United States remains today is that it has never seen war on its mainland. Once its enemies aim at the mainland, the enemies would have already reached Washington before its congress finishes debating and authorizes the president to declare war. But for us, we don't waste time on these trivial things. Maybe you have now come to understand why we recently decided to further promulgate atheism. If we let theology from the West into China and empty us from the inside, if we let all Chinese people listen to God and follow God, who will obediently listen to us and follow us? If the common people don't believe Comrade Hu Jintao is a qualified leader, begin to question his authority, and want to monitor him, if the religious followers in our society question why we are leading God in churches, can our Party continue to rule China??

    The first pressing issue facing us is living space. This is the biggest focus of the revitalization of the Chinese race. In my last speech, I said that the fight over basic living resources (including land and ocean) is the source of the vast majority of wars in history. This may change in the information age, but not fundamentally. Our per capita resources are much less than those of Germany's back then. In addition, economic development in the last twenty-plus years had a negative impact, and climates are rapidly changing for the worse. Our resources are in very short supply. The environment is severely polluted, especially that of soil, water, and air. Not only our ability to sustain and develop our race, but even its survival is gravely threatened, to a degree much greater than faced Germany back then Anybody who has been to Western countries knows that their living space is much better than ours. They have forests alongside the highways, while we hardly have any trees by our streets. Their sky is often blue with white clouds, while our sky is covered with a layer of dark haze. Their tap water is clean enough for drinking, while even our ground water is so polluted that it can't be drunk without filtering. They have few people in the streets, and two or three people can occupy a small residential building; in contrast our streets are always crawling with people, and several people have to share one room.

    Many years ago, there was a book titled Yellow Catastrophes. It said that, due to our following the American style of consumption, our limited resources would no longer support the population and society would collapse once our population reaches 1.3 billion. Now our population has already exceeded this limit, and we are now relying on imports to sustain our nation. It's not that we haven't paid attention to this issue. The Ministry of Land Resources is specialized in this issue. But we must understand that the term 'living space' (lebenstraum) is too closely related to Nazi Germany.

    The reason we don't want to discuss this too openly is to avoid the West's association of us with Nazi Germany, which could in turn reinforce the view that China is a threat. Therefore, in our emphasis on He Xin's new theory, 'Human Rights are just living rights' we only talk about 'living' but not 'space' so as to avoid using the term 'living space.' From the perspective of history, the reason that China is faced with the issue of living space is because Western countries have developed ahead of Eastern countries. Western countries established colonies all around the world, therefore giving themselves an advantage on the issue of living space. To solve this problem, we must lead the Chinese people outside of China, so that they can develop outside of China.

    Would the United States allow us to go out to gain new living space? First, if the United States is firm in blocking us, it is hard for us to do anything significant to Taiwan and some other countries! Second, even if we could snatch some land from Taiwan, Vietnam, India, or even Japan, how much more living space can we get? Very trivial! Only countries like the United States, Canada and Australia have the vast land to serve our need for mass colonization.

    Therefore, solving the 'issue of America' is the key to solving all other issues. First, this makes it possible for us to have many people migrate there and even establish another Chinaunder the same leadership of the CCP. America was originally discovered by the ancestors of the yellow race, but Columbus gave credit to the White race. We the descendants of the Chinese nation are ENTITLED to the possession of the land! It is historical destiny that China and United States will come into unavoidable confrontation on a narrow path and fight. In the long run, the relationship of China and the United States is one of a life-and-death struggle. Of course, right now it is not the time to openly break up with them yet. Our reform and opening to the outside world still rely on their capital and technology. We still need America. Therefore, we must do everything we can to promote our relationship with America, learn from America in all aspects and use America as an example to reconstruct our country. Only by using special means to 'clean up' America will we be able to lead the Chinese people there. Only by using non-destructive weapons that can kill many people will we be able to reserve America for ourselves.

    There has been rapid development of modern biological technology, and new bio weapons have been invented one after another. Of course we have not been idle; in the past years we have seized the opportunity to master weapons of this kind. We are capable of achieving our purpose of 'cleaning up' America all of a sudden. When Comrade Xiaoping was still with us, the Party Central Committee had the perspicacity to make the right decision not to develop aircraft carrier groups and focused instead on developing lethal weapons that can eliminate mass populations of the enemy country. Biological weapons are unprecedented in their ruthlessness, but if the Americans do not die then the Chinese have to die. If the Chinese people are strapped to the present land, a total societal collapse is bound to take place. According to the computations of the author of Yellow Peril, more than half of the Chinese will die, and that figure would be more than 800 million people! Just after the liberation, our yellow land supported nearly 500 million people, while today the official figure of the population is more than 1.3 billion. This yellow land has reached the limit of its capacity. One day, who know how soon it will come, the great collapse will occur any time and more than half of the population will have to go.

    It is indeed brutal to kill one or two hundred million Americans. But that is the only path that will secure a Chinese century, a century in which the CCP leads the world. We, as revolutionary humanitarians, do not want deaths, But if history confronts us with a choice between deaths of Chinese and those of Americans, we'd have to pick the latter, as, for us, it is more important to safeguard the lives of the Chinese people and the life of our Party. The last problem I want to talk about is of firmly seizing the preparations for military battle. The central committee believes, as long as we resolve the United States problem at one blow, our domestic problems will all be readily solved. Therefore, our military battle preparation appears to aim at Taiwan, but in fact is aimed at the United States, and the preparation is far beyond the scope of attacking aircraft carriers or satellites. Marxism pointed out that violence is the midwife for the birth of the new society. Therefore war is the midwife for the birth of China's century."


    source:

    Speech by Comrade Chi Haotian Vice-Chairman of China's Military Commission
     
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    mwakatojofu JF-Expert Member

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    du. selemala, Comrade Chi Haotian anatisha. ndoto yake ya kupigana ikitimia tu, sie wengine huku pia tunaumia
     
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    what do you mean? China is the third behind USA and Japan. Sasa unaposema very poor lazima uwe na vigezo. China ya sasa siyo ile ya miaka ya 80 au 90.
     
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    Kama hiyo hotuba ni ya kweli basi si jambo la kupuuzia.
     
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    Interested Observer JF-Expert Member

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    Usidanganye watu hapa! Lete hizo data zako!
    China inaongoza kwa government bank foreign currency reserves, almost 2.8 trillion. Population 1.4billion people. Japan ina almost 2.3 trillion dollars in government bank foreign resrves. You know what is the difference? In China only the government is entitled to hold foreign currency. Export earnings zote in dollars/or foreign currency payments zinachukuliwa na government; cvompany zinapewa pesa iitwayo RMB (local currecny). In Japan or USA that is different; companies and rich people can still have their money in dollars. Please they are still having long way to go! They are 100 years behind USA.
     
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    mwakatojofu JF-Expert Member

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    kwamtazamo wangu naiona usa kama imefikia kilele na sasa itaanza decline stage. ni kama likampuni fulani lililoanza na initial stage likaenda kwenye growth halaf maturity na sasa lina decline. watadecline kikweli kama hawatachukua hatua madhubut kujiokoa.

    china naiona kama kinyume chake. naiona kama iko kwenye growth stage. na naiona kama ina zana nyingi muhimu kupigana vita ya kukua kama nguvu kaz bora na ya kutosha.

    wamarekani wanaendelea kupoteza kaz na wakat huohuo wanaelekea kuzidi kuridhika kuimport vitu vilivyotengenezwa uchina
     
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    Nemesis JF-Expert Member

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    sawa kabisa Mkuu, hata kabla ya recession uchumi wa USA ulikuwa unakuwa kwa 1% wakati China unakuwa kwa asilimia zaidi ya 10%. Ndiyo nchi pekee duniani ambayo uchumi wao unakuwa kwa kasi sana. Kumbuka kuwa kwa muda mrefu nafasi ya tatu ya nchi tajiri ilishikwa na Ujerumani ambayo imeshapigwa bao na China sasa ipo nafasi ya 4. Katika kipindi si kirefu itaipiga Japani na kuwa ya pili.
     
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