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US 'Silent On Israeli Nuclear Arms'

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  1. X-PASTER

    X-PASTER Moderator

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    US 'Silent On Israeli Nuclear Arms'


    Barack Obama, the US president, has agreed to abide by a 40-year policy of allowing Israel to keep nuclear weapons without opening them to international inspection, according to a US newspaper.

    In a report on Saturday, The Washington Times quoted three unnamed sources as saying Obama had confirmed to Binyamin Netanyahu, Israel's prime minister, that he would maintain the "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

    The incident reportedly occurred when the two met at the White House in Washington DC in May.

    Neither Israel's embassy in Washington, nor the White House National Security Council would comment on the claim.

    Avner Cohen, an Israeli expert and author, was quoted by the paper as saying that under the deal "the United States passively [accepts] Israel's nuclear weapons status as long as Israel does not unveil publicly its capability or test a weapon".

    There is no official accounting of the deal, supposedly agreed in 1969 between Richard Nixon, then US president, and Golda Meir, the Israeli prime minister at the time.

    'Strategic understandings'

    In an interview last week with Israel's Channel 2 media company, Netanyahu spoke of his confidence that Obama's recent remarks on a world free of nuclear weapons would not apply to Israel.

    "It was utterly clear from the context of the speech that he was speaking about North Korea and Iran," the Israeli leader said.

    "But I want to remind you that in my first meeting with President Obama in Washington I received from him ... an itemised list of the strategic understandings that have existed for many years between Israel and the United States on that issue.

    "It was not for naught that I requested, and it was not for naught that I received [that document]."

    Although there is no formal record of the understanding - nor have Israeli nor American governments ever publicly acknowledged it - some documents hint at an agreement between the two nations.

    In 2007, the Nixon library declassified a July 19, 1969, memo from Henry Kissinger, then national security adviser, that comes closest to articulating US policy on the issue.

    That memo says "while we might ideally like to halt actual Israeli possession, what we really want at a minimum may be just to keep Israeli possession from becoming an established international fact".



    Source: Al Jazeera and agencies
     
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    M-Joka JF-Expert Member

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    Wacha vita vije. Wakituua sote watabakia peke yao ulimwenguni na kwakuwa ni waroho, dhulumati watatafunana wenyewe kwa wenyewe. Wataanza kuwatafuna hao ma-puppett wao wanaowapa launching pads, kisha wataendeana wenyewe kwa wenyewe. La wakichezea mkongo'to bila ya kutegemea, maana kiburi ni upofu, ndege mjanja hunasa kwenye tundu bovu, basi madhila yatakuwa yamekwisha.

    Nionavyo mimi bora hivi vita vije, bora hivi vita vipiganwe. Asaa vinaweza kutuondoshea haya madhila, unless kama kuna anayefikiri au kuona namna nyengineyo. Na kama huyo aonae vinginevyo anafikiri porojo lake linaweza kuvizuia, basi na aporoje uvundo wake, na aporoje, ukumbi mweupeeee. Ama sisi, akaa, tumeshaona inevitability ya vita hivi. Maana western population ni "very dumb", seriously. Juzi hapa wamedanganywa kuhusiana na WMD, ama uongo? hata sisi maskini waTZ tunakumbuka, wao dumb, dumb, dumb, wanachezewa mchezo ulue ule, si upinguani huu.

    Kwa wenye kuona vinginevyo, hapa unafiki haupo, wa kujidai kujali maisha ya watu yatakayopotea au kuteseka na eti kwamba watu kama mimi tunasema tu kwasababu tuko mbali na kwamba hatutokuwa directly affected, aaa huo utakuwa ni unafiki, uongo usioona haki. Kama mtu anaweza kulifanya porojo lake kuzuia vita kwa haki na usawa kwa mataifa yote ku-mantain sovereignty yake na sio kui-submit kwa madhalimu, basi na aporoje, tena ukumbi mweupeee. Kinyume na hivyo, basi save your time and energy, usiporoje.
     
  3. Josh Michael

    Josh Michael JF-Expert Member

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    Hata kama Israel wakibaki pekee yao vita vyote watashinda Daima, yote haya ni mipango ya Mungu
     
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    Kiroroma JF-Expert Member

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    Iko siri kubwa juu ya taifa hili Israel
     
  5. Ngida1

    Ngida1 JF-Expert Member

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    M-Joka,
    >maana kiburi ni upofu, ndege mjanja hunasa kwenye tundu bovu,

    Hio ni kweli tupu!
     
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    Tumain JF-Expert Member

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    Mwenyezi mungu akupe umri mrefu uone jinsi Israel itakavyopigwa vibaya na dunia nzima kwa sababu ya dhulma inayofanya mikono yao dhidi ya binadamu.
    a) Israel ikiachwa kuungwa mkono na amerika no country will support it!! so watapigwa kipigo cha mbwa mtu! kama alivyofanywa firauni na Musa hii ni ahdi ya Mungu itafika.
    b) Israel haina uhusiano wowote wa kidini na wakristo maana wao walitaka kumuua yesu na wanaamini kwamba yesu ni mtoto wa haramu mpaka leo so no religious bond, wakristo wanatumiwa for political interest "wakigundua wataanza kuwachapa wenyewe"
    c) Israel na waisrael watasaidiwa na ndugu zao hao waarabu at last lakini baada ya kipigo kitakatifu hiyo ndiyo itakuwa there fina resort..wewe subiri utaona..Mwenyezi Mungu alishawaadhibu waisrael mara nyingi basi tu mijitu hii vichwa hewa na vichwa vigumu lakini mwisho wao "Ukweli na haki itashinda hila na uwongo"
     
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    Patrick Nyemela JF-Expert Member

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    Hii umeipata au kuisoma kutoka kitabu gani? Je unafahamu walichokipata kwa Adolf Hitler, je walishinda vita? Soma historia ujue ni waisrael wangapi waliangamia. Je unajuwa kilichowapata mwaka 2007 kwa Hezbollah na mpaka leo hii wanamuota Hassan Nasrallah.

    Jaribu kusoma historia vizuri kuliko kuleta dhana. Hawa waisrael ndiyo walio muuwa bwana yetu Yesu kristo, je ni mungu yupi ambaye amesema watabaki pekee yao na vita zote watashinda.
     
  8. MziziMkavu

    MziziMkavu JF-Expert Member

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    JE HII NI HALALI?
    U.N. to inspect Iran nuke site Oct. 25


    By Ali Akbar Dareini ASSOCIATED PRESS
    TEHRAN | The visiting head of the U.N. nuclear watchdog set Oct. 25 as the date for his inspectors to check Iran's newly revealed uranium enrichment site and struck an upbeat note Sunday, saying Tehran's confrontation with the West is shifting gears to more cooperation and transparency.
    Though the United Nations has no "concrete proof" of an ongoing nuclear weapons program, the chief of the organization's International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Mohamed ElBaradei, said he has "concerns about Iran's future intentions."
    The inspection of the site and the outcome of more nuclear talks later this month with the United States and its allies will be crucial in determining the direction of the six-year standoff over Iran's nuclear activities.
    "I see that we are at a critical moment. I see that we are shifting gears from confrontation into transparency and cooperation," Mr. ElBaradei said at a news conference in Tehran with Iran's top nuclear official.
    His visit followed a week of intense diplomatic activity surrounding Iran's nuclear program, set off by the revelation that Tehran had been secretly constructing a new uranium enrichment plant just north of the holy city of Qom. On Thursday, Iran and six world powers put nuclear talks back on track at a landmark session near Geneva that included the highest-level bilateral contact with the United States in years.
    President Obama's national security adviser said Sunday that Washington was also pleased with the level of cooperation from Iran.
    "The fact that Iran came to the table and seemingly showed some degree of cooperation, I think, is a good thing," retired Gen. James L. Jones said on CNN's "State of the Union" program.
    "But this is not going to be an open-ended process. ... We, the world community, want to be satisfied within a short period of time," Mr. Jones added. "So it's not going to be extended discussions that we're going to have before we draw our conclusions to what their real intent is. But for now, I think things are moving in the right direction."
    Mr. ElBaradei was in Iran to set up the U.N. inspection of the enrichment facility near Qom.
    The site sparked serious concern, in part because its location next to a military base and partly inside a mountain adds to suspicions that Iran's nuclear program could have a military dimension. Mr. Obama, who accuses Iran of seeking to keep the site hidden for years before notifying the IAEA about it, has said Tehran's actions "raised grave doubts" about its promise to use nuclear technology for peaceful purposes only.
    Iran, which insists its nuclear work is only for nonmilitary purposes such as energy production and medical research, says the site's location near a military base is intended to protect it from potential aerial bombing.
    "It is important for us to send our inspectors to do a comprehensive verification of that facility, to assure ourselves that it is a facility that is built for peaceful purposes," Mr. ElBaradei said, seated beside Ali Akbar Salehi, the head of Iran's nuclear agency. "We agreed that our inspectors would come here on the 25th of October to do the inspection and to go to Qom, and I hope and I trust that Iran will be as transparent with our inspectors team as possible."
    Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told Mr. ElBaradei that Iran's cooperation with the agency has left no ambiguity over Tehran's nuclear activities.
    But the IAEA says there are still issues that Iran needs to clarify, including alleged studies by Iran on high explosives and a missile delivery system for a nuclear warhead.
    "As I have said many times and I continue to say today, the agency has no complete proof that there is an ongoing weapons program in Iran," Mr. ElBaradei said. "There are allegations that Iran has conducted weaponization studies. However, these allegations we are still looking into and we are looking to Iran to help us clarify." http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/05/un-to-inspect-iran-nuke-site-oct-25/
     
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    MaxShimba JF-Expert Member

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    Iran lazima waangaliwe kwa karibu sana. You can't trust them at all. Ni sawasawa na kumpa bunduki kichaa, lolote linaweza kutokea.
     
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    M-Joka JF-Expert Member

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    Wameivamia nchi gani? Wana-occupy ardhi ya nani? Wametumia silaha za atomic/nuclear against taifa gani? Kwa upande mwengine, do you trust the zionists? Do you trusts the neocons?

    Justify your trust. You are free to use anything rational and intellectually conceivable you want, Bible, UN charter, IAEU chater, etc. Remember do not use your fanatisism, okay!.

    And just for freeliness of your browsing to find justification, leave the Qur-ani and A-Hadith aside, perhaps for later use if needed. Okay, go MaxShimba, convince us.
     
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