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Uganda deploys troops over island row with Kenya

Discussion in 'Kenyan News and Politics' started by Mkenya, Feb 21, 2009.

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    Mkenya Member

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    Could this be another potential flashpoint in EA, or end of EAC?..

    Uganda deploys troops over island row with Kenya

    By NATION Team
    Posted Friday, February 20 2009 at 22:05


    The dispute between Kenya and Uganda over the ownership of Migingo island has taken a turn for worse after Uganda sent more security personnel to guard it.

    Uganda’s spokesperson Judith Nabakooba told the Daily Monitor that marine officials and anti-riot police were dispatched on Thursday to guard the island in Lake Victoria.

    “Kenyan police officers attacked Migingo and threatened to take over (the island). They came with guns and an assortment of items. We have therefore sent marine officials and anti-riot police there to guard the island,” she said.

    Thursday’s incident is the second in five months that the two East African countries have clashed over the ownership of the island.

    But Nyanza provincial commissioner Paul Olando dismissed reports that Kenyan security personnel had gone to the island in a bid to take it over.

    “Our security personnel went to Migingo on Wednesday to follow up on some intelligence information we had received and this was not the first time we were sending them there,” he said.

    He said the government had not posted the eight officers permanently since the ownership issue was still under discussion.

    Mr Olando said the Kenyan security personnel, who had gone to the island and were later joined by the Migori district commissioner, Mr Julius Mutula, returned after a meeting with their Ugandan counterparts.

    He denied that Kenyans had been arrested and detained by the Ugandan security personnel, adding that there was no tension between the two countries over the dispute.

    But on Thursday night, Uganda increased the number of its security personnel from the usual eight to more than 100.

    Kenya formed a four-man inter-ministerial team led by Lands minister James Orengo to address the conflict. The Kenyan and Ugandan teams hired a mapping firm late last year to survey the island.

    A report compiled by the company was last week debated by members of the East African Legislative Assembly in Rwanda.
    Island’s owner

    The objective of the meeting was to discuss the report, present the deliberations to the East African Community chairman — Rwandan President Paul Kagame, and then determine the owner of the island.

    In Nairobi, Internal Security minister George Saitoti said Presidents Kibaki and Museveni were in talks to resolve the dispute.

    He said the two presidents communicated regularly and termed the dispute a small issue that would soon be solved. He also denied media reports that 12 APs had been arrested on the island by Ugandan soldiers.

    MPs from the region have asked the government to boost security to protect the more than 1,000 Kenyans living on the island.

    They said the Ugandan soldiers were threatening the lives of residents.

    Nyatike MP Edick Anyanga and his Bundalang’i counterpart Ababu Namwamba said the invasion by the Ugandans was affecting fishing.
     
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    MzalendoHalisi JF-Expert Member

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    Kama Kibaki na M7 wanaelewana..na M7 alikuwa raisi kwa kwanza kumpongeza ktk ule uchaguzi basi yataisha tu vema!

    I dont think either Kenya or Uganda have any motives of terirorial expansion in EA!
     
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    kayundi2 JF-Expert Member

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    Kwa mara nyingine tena,waganda wanajaribu kuwapima wakenya nguvu kwa kutaka kunyakua kisiwa cha Migingo katika Ziwa Victoria.Inaonekana kwamba
    Kenya haitaki kupigana na waganda kwa sababu ya hii jumuiya ya Afrika mashariki.Ni Kweli Kisiwa in cha wakenya lakini kwa wendani wa karibu wa Kibaki wanasema wamewapatia waganda wiki mbili kuondoka na majeshi yao huko la sivyo waonane uwanjani.Sasa mimi nashindwa----kwa kweli nani mwenye nguvu hapa?
    Kenya inazo zana kali za kivita kuliko Uganda---naambiwa wana matanki kama yale ya Sadam Husein na mengine kama yale yanayotumiwa na majeshi ya Urusi.Naambiwa kuwa pia wanao Ndege aina ya F5 ,F7 kama zile za wamarekani?

    Nani mwenye nguvu hapa
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    Lole Gwakisa JF-Expert Member

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    Chonde chonde wakuu Kenya na Uganda msipigane ,naona mmelewa sangara,Tanzania tumechoka na wakimbizi
     
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    Mfumwa JF-Expert Member

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    Mkuu Kayundi, mara nyingi silaha za vita huwa ni siri mno kwa nchi. Huwezi kutangaza kila silaha uliyo nayo, manake unampa wasaa adui atafute kinga yake ama silaha zaidi ya uliyonayo. Hivyo usidhani kuwa waganda nao hawana silaha kali (japo sina ushahidi). Labda Kenya wana uhakika wa kuongeza silaha mpya zilizokuwa kwa MV Faina, kama kweli zilikuwa zao na si za Sudan Kusini

    Hizi ndizo nchi zinaelekea kuwa shirikisho, sasa wanaanza kutunishiana misuli kwa kugombea kisiwa. Bado safari ni ndefu, na inahitaji umakini wa maamuzi.
     
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    Ngongo JF-Expert Member

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    Mkuu Kayundi umepata wapi hizo data eti Kenya wanazo silaha kali kuliko waganda.
    Chonde chonde wakenya na waganda rudini kwenye meza ya mazungumzo ikiwezekana mwiteni mkerwe awe msuluhushi.
     
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    Shapu JF-Expert Member

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    Mkuu,
    Naomba utoe more datas, source ya information hii. It does not click in my mind very right.
     
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    MpigaFilimbi JF-Expert Member

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    ..waganda ni wazoefu wa kupigana, Museveni katokea msituni, kwa hiyo huwezi kusema hawekezi kwenye silaha.
     
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    Mkenya Member

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    Wakuu,

    Kenyan military does not consider Tanzania and Uganda(or both) as any formidable force and therefore not part of its defense strategy, Kenya military therefore looks to bigger threats like Sudan, Ethiopia and probably Somalia.

    Also to note that Kenya's Military budget is twice that of Tanzania and Uganda combined...

    For those who want to know what hardware Kenya, Tanzania and UG have links are here...

    Kenya Military

    Tanzania Military

    Uganda Military
    =========================================



    Vickers Mk3: 76
    T-72AV: 110 from Ukraine 77 in 2007 with more planned for delivery in 2008. 33 T-72's ordered from Ukraine were hijacked by Somalian pirates.[4] The MV Faina was released and the tanks unloaded in Mombasa Feb 2009. There have been doubts expressed as to whether the T-72s imported by Kenya are intended for use by the Kenyan Army. Instead, popular opinion is that they were being clandestinely imported for the southern Sudanese army, which has an arms embargo against it.[5]
    Recce: 72 x Panhard AML-60/-90, 12 x Ferret armoured car and 8 x Shorland armoured car;
    APC: 85 BRM Ukraine in 2007,ACV 32 ( China), 52 x Thyssen Henschel UR-416 and 1- x Panhard M-3 (in store);
    SP Artillery: 25 x 203mm. PION ,35 x BM-21;
    Towed Arty: 48x 122mm., 48x 105mm., Mortars: 50 x 81mm., and 12 x 120mm.,
    25 x 203mm.,
    ATGW: 40 x MILAN, and 14 x Swingfire;
    RCL 84mm: 80 x Carl Gustav recoilless rifle;
    AD Guns 20mm: 50 x TCM-20, and 11 x Oerlikon;
    AD Guns 23mm : 70 x ZSU-4
    AD Guns 40mm: 13 x L/70.
    AD Missiles: BUK
    Small arms: G3 rifle
    The Air Force has[6]
    7 Northrop F-5 Freedom Fighter figher aircraft. There are reports that Kenya seeks to purchase an additional 15 used F5 fighter jets from Jordan. [7]
    37 helicopters (11 x Hughes 500MD Defender with TOW, 8 x Hughes 500ME Defender, and 15 x Hughes 500M Defender);
    31 transport fixed wing (7 x de Havilland Canada DHC-5D Buffalo, 12 x Harbin Y-12 (II), 10 x Piper PA-31 Navajo, 3 x de Havilland Canada DHC-8 Dash 8, 1x Fokker 70 (VIP), and 6 Dornier Do 28D-2 (in store);
    23 transport helicopters (9 x IAR 330 Puma, 13 x Aérospatiale SA 330 Puma, and 1 x Aérospatiale SA 342 Gazelle);
    together with 34 training aircraft (12 x Scottish Aviation Bulldog 103/127, 8 x BAe Hawk Mk 52, 12 x Shorts Tucano, and 2 x helicopter Hughes 500D.
    The Air Force also has Air-to-Surface Missile (ASM) AGM-65 Maverick TOW, and Air-to-Air missile(AAM) AIM-9 Sidewinder.
    Kenya’s Navy has
    10 x Missile Craft;
    6 x Patrol and Coastal Combatants;
    1 x Amphibious Craft; and 5 x Support Vessel.
    The General Service Unit’s Air Wing
    comprises 7 x Cessna; and
    3 x Bell light helicopters.[8]
     
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    MzalendoHalisi JF-Expert Member

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    Kupigana ili isaidie nini? Sii vema kwa kupigana kuondoa umaskini kwa Wananchi wetu wanaoteseka?

    Budget kubwa ya jeshi..ili isaidie nini?? Kuondoa umaskini na njaa???

    African countries should invest more ktk development..na sii ktk majeshi!
     
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    HellFire20 Senior Member

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    Wakuu,

    "Kenyan military does not consider Tanzania and Uganda(or both) as any formidable force and therefore not part of its defense strategy, Kenya military therefore looks to bigger threats like Sudan, Ethiopia and probably Somalia.

    Also to note that Kenya's Military budget is twice that of Tanzania and Uganda combined... "


    I think what he meant by this is that the relation between Tz Kenya and UG are so cordial that to think of any of the three countries as an enemy to engage with militarily would be utter nonsense.
    That notwithstanding its always good to be prepared we are located in a very bad Neighborhood and preparation is of utmost importance.
    This island Saga will no be dealt with by engaging the use of military force,simply because the repercussions would be too grave to bear especially on along term basis.It would be like responding to a mosquito bite with a mallet one risks injuring himself further.
     
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    kayundi2 JF-Expert Member

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    its clear.nobody in East Africa can challenge Kenya's Millitary Ability
     
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    deny_all JF-Expert Member

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    Kwa nchi zetu za kiafrika zana tu sidhani kama inatosha........kwa nchi kama Kenya unaweza kutumia ukabila wao kiinteliginsia ukawazidi kwenye uwanja wa vita pamoja na dhana zao.
     
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    HellFire20 Senior Member

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    Let me put you to shame
    Issues of National security are a sectors by themselves they contribute to poverty eradication, How. Those people who are employed as Soldiers where would they be if there was no security issues to be taken care of,they support community's directly and indirectly.
    Case in point there are towns here in Kenya that wouldn't be if the military wasn't based there. eg Gilgil home to the Army Western command HQ,s,2nd Brigade of Kenya Army and some other special units.Nanyuki another Town Home to the Air force Bases Army units,Isiolo,home to the Tank Batts,and Wajir residents of that Town Can brag of having a fully fledged and Operational airport courtesy of the military,So if JKT doesn't do anything in poverty alleviations dont think the others just sit back and engage in armed robberies.
     
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    Smatta JF-Expert Member

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    War will do a great favour to the Kenyan people.. we will be united against one common enemy, tribalism will reduce drastically, and Kenyans will be together from that day onwards.
    Dear Museveni, please do us this one favour.. pliiiiizzzzzzzzzz
     
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    Smatta JF-Expert Member

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    War will do a great favour to the Kenyan people.. we will be united against one common enemy, tribalism will reduce drastically, and Kenyans will be together from that day onwards.
    Dear Museveni, please do us this one favour.. pliiiiizzzzzzzzzz
     
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    Ben Saanane Verified User

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    We are surppose to invest in production and wealth distribution not in army.Huu ndo upuuzi wetu Africa,wakati watu wana-starve tuna invest kwenye army. Hadi tunafikia hatua ya kuombea vita,huu ni ugonjwa wa akili kabisa.

    Kenya and Uganda should consider war as the last resort
     
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    HellFire20 Senior Member

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    Who is WE?.As far as i can remember the issue of where to put the money was never COLLECTIVE its a matter of doing what pleases oneself.
    If you think thought putting money in defense is Upuuzi then its up to you to view it as such.To others and i believe Kenya is among the Others its an Insurance as they the best way to avoid war i prepare for one. Period
     
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    Abdulhalim JF-Expert Member

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    M7 chapa hao Mungiki!
     
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    MzalendoHalisi JF-Expert Member

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    Is this ok kuwa ni M7??

    Naona kama hao ni askari wa US Afganistan?

    Maanake ni weupe!
     
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