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U-Nchi wa Zanzibar, U-jamhuri wake, U-Taifa wake, au U-dola wake? Ni nini haswa??

Discussion in 'Habari na Hoja mchanganyiko' started by Wa Ndima, Aug 15, 2010.

  1. Wa Ndima

    Wa Ndima JF-Expert Member

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    Niliipenda hii hoja, hebu tujadili.

     
  2. BinMgen

    BinMgen JF-Expert Member

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    Hizi ndio mada tunazozihitaji, mada zenye akili, mada zenye nizamu, mada zilizokwenda shule.sio zile pumba za Mwanakijiji hili darasa tosha kwa watu wa aina MWKJJ wanaotumia moyo badala ya akili.
     
  3. Azimio Jipya

    Azimio Jipya JF-Expert Member

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    Looh!
     
  4. Nguruvi3

    Nguruvi3 Platinum Member

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    Sina sababu yoyote ya kumtetea au kumsemea MKJJ, lakini nina sababu za msingi za kuhoji kauli zinazolenga kumvia kimawazo. Si mara zote nimekuwa na mtazamo au kukubaliana na hoja za MKJJ na kwakweli nimekuwa natofautiana naye kihoja na si ''personality'. Mara zote ninapotofautiana naye MKJJ amekuwa mwepesi kukubali au kukataa maoni yangu kwa HOJA tena akishukuru.
    Hii mada unayosema imekwenda shule haikudondoka kama mvua,chanzo chake ni hoja za MKJJ. Kwa wale wote wanaounga au kupingana na hoja zake tunakubali kuwa MKJJ anatumia akili zake kujenga hoja. Kwa mfano amewahi kuuliza ''Hivi baraza la wawakilishi likikubali mabadiliko na bunge la JMT likaktaa itakuwaje?" hakuna hata mtu mmoja aliyewahi kuja na jibu. Je hii si ishara ya uelewa mkubwa wa mambo!
    Nadhani tusiangalie umbile,moyo, ukubwa au udogo wa kichwa chake, tujadili hoja zake nyingi zenye mashiko na kufikirisha.
    Kwa wale waliosoma ''this day'' kuhusu EL watanielewa ni kisema MKJJ anajenga hoja za kufikirisha sana hata kama hatukubaliana nazo.
    Tujibu hoja zake waungwana. Mimi nasema MKJJ kejeli hizi zichukulie kama challenge na songa mbele,sema kile unachoamini wewe na si kile kila mmoja anachoamini. keep it up MKJJ!
     
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    Kituko JF-Expert Member

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    nipersonal au ndio uwezo wako wa kujadili mambo?, katika hii hoja sijaona hata sehemu ambako MWKJJ amezungumzwa, inakuwaje wewe unamwingiza kwenye hii hoja, kama una walakini nae kwa nini usifungue Thread maaluma ya kumwelezea MWKJJ na pumba zake?, HApa unatupa mashaka sana na uwezo wako wa kupambanunua mambo na uwezo wako wa kujua kinachoendelea, Hoja ni nyingine na wewe unakuja na vitu vingine
     
  6. WomanOfSubstance

    WomanOfSubstance JF-Expert Member

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    Hoja au mchango wako kwenye huu "uelewesho" ni nini ndugu ili tujadili na kupata ufahamu mzuri badala ya " pumba" kama unavyoziita wewe.

    Binafsi nadhani hili swala la Zanzibar halieleweki vizuri na "watanganyika " kama walivyokuwa kabla ya Tanzania, na hata hao "wazanzibar" ambao wamekuwepo siku zote ( hawajabadilishwa kumbuka).

    Kuhusu Zanzibar ni nchi ama la, Zanzibar ni pande la ardhi haina ubishi lakini ukumbuke kuwa unaposema
    "nchi" moja kwa moja kwa uelewa wepesi unapata dhana ya "SOVEREIGN STATE"- WHICH ZANZIBAR IS NOT AM AFRAID. Zanzibar ni sehemu ya MUUNGANO na ndio maana kuna hoja lukuki za kutaka kutembelea tena framework nzima iliyoleta muungano, kuangalia kero zilizomo na kutafuta namna ya kuziondoa. Kero mojawapo ndio hii ya kutaka ZNZ ipate " sovereignty" na katika utaratibu ulivyo sasa haiwezekani maana unaharibu the essence of the union itself. Huu ni mfano mmoja tu.Sasa wewe what is your take?
     
  7. Mwanamayu

    Mwanamayu JF-Expert Member

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    Maneno yana maana zaidi ya moja ndio maana kwenye katiba kuna maana ya maneno yaliyo tumika kwenye katiba husika. Kuna maana ya maneno zinazopatikana kwenye kamusi kama za kiingereza, na hata za nyanja mbali mbali kama sayansi. Sasa je Wa Ndima ametoa wapi hizi maana? Je, hazina zaidi ya maana moja? Je, zinatoka kwenye Poltical Science kama somo? Je, Wa Ndima ni political scientist?

    BinMgen unaweza kutuonyesha pumba za Mwanakijiji? Je, Wa Ndima hajaweka pumba hapo? Je kuna NCHI ambayo haina DOLA? Je, NCHI na STATE tofauti yake ni nini? Je, tofauti ya Country na Nation ni nini? Maana ya haya maneno yanategemea contexts na source. UN wana maana na vigezo vyake, kamusi zina maana sawa au tofauti, n.k.

    Naomba Wa Ndima atupe source za maana hizo na kuzingatia katiba ya Zenj and Muungano katika context halisi sio kuleta historia tu bila back up wala evidence!

    Hivi Euro haitumiki UK? Mbona kuna items zina Euro price ndani ya UK? Sio kwamba wana Legal tender - pound na euro?
     
  8. Elusive

    Elusive JF-Expert Member

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    Waacheni wa Zanzibari wa enjoy Muungano huu wao wana wabunge 50 katika
    Bunge la Jamhuri ya muungano, wana Baraza lao la Wawakilishi linalifanya kazi kama Bunge,
    wana Rais wao na pia wana vikosi vyao vya ulinzi.

    Lakini pia wanatumia Polisi moja na Jeshi moja la Jamhuri ya Muungano nafikiri
    wanafaidika zaidi jamaa hawa. Lakini cha kusikitisha zaidi bado maisha ya wananchi
    huko ni duni sana pamoja na kuachiwa mambo yao ya ndani Elimu na Afya havijapewa
    kipaumbele cha kutosha.
     
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