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Tobo, tundu au shimo?

Discussion in 'Jukwaa la Lugha' started by SMU, Jan 19, 2010.

  1. SMU

    SMU JF-Expert Member

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    Jana jioni nilisikia Radio Clouds, wakiuliza tofauti baina ya maneno: tundu, tobo na shimo. Kwa bahati mbaya sikufanikiwa kusikia majibu ya wasikilizaji yalikuwaje. Nimeona si vibaya nikauleta hapa mjadala huu hapa jamvini ili tupate michango zaidi.

    Karibuni.
     
  2. Mkaa Mweupe

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    Tobo:
    Ni uwazi uliopo kwenye kitu ambao umesababiswa na kupenyezwa kitu kingine kwenye kitu husika mf. mtu anapotoga sikio hutengeneza tobo kwenye sikio. Kwa ujumla tobo liko wazi pande zote. Pia tobo lazima liwe kuna kitu kilichosababisha kwa makusudi.

    Tundu:
    Ni tobo linalotokana na uchakavu wa kitu husika, kwa mfano nguo ikichakaa hupata matundu. Pia tundu huwa wazi pande zote.

    Shimo:
    Ni tobo linalotengenezwa kwenye kitu fulani lakini halitokezi upande wa pili. Hivyo basi shimo ni tobo au tundu lililoziba upande mmoja.
     
  3. Kimbweka

    Kimbweka JF-Expert Member

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    Kwa hiyo yote ni MATOBO
     
  4. SMU

    SMU JF-Expert Member

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    Hapo kwenye tundu nadhani ni zaidi ya uchakavu. Kwa mfano nimekuwa nikisikia wazungumzaji wa kiswahili wakisema " Usichezee shilingi katika tundu la choo".
     
  5. SMU

    SMU JF-Expert Member

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    Kwa mfano chandarua au nyavu, tunaweza kusema ina 'matundu' au ina 'matobo'?
     
  6. Mkaa Mweupe

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    Chandarua huwa na matobo, nakumbuka pale Forodhani kuna darasa la vidudu la matobotobo. Ila chandarua ikichanika hupata matundu.
     
  7. Mkaa Mweupe

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    Yanayotofautiana katika uumbaji wake
     
  8. Kaka Sam

    Kaka Sam JF-Expert Member

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    kama yanatofauti kwanini utumie neno tobo kwenye tafsiri..? tumia neno uwazi ingeleta maana zaid
     
  9. Mkaa Mweupe

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    Hapo nimejaribu kueleza kwa jinsi nielewavyo mimi... Nashukuru kwa masahihisho.
     
  10. FirstLady1

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    Tobo .. Tundu ..na shimo .. naona kama ni kitu kile kile
     
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    Marigwe JF-Expert Member

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    Shimo ni uwazi uliotumbukia ardhini unapimika kwa urefu, upana na kina.

    Tundu ni upenyo

    Tobo hakuna neno kama hilo. Labda ni uwazi na tundu unaotokana na kutobolewa
     
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    Zungu Pule JF-Expert Member

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    Samahanini hii ni nje kidogo ya mada husika. Je nini tafsiri ya "Domestic Violence" kwa kiswahili? Inshallah nitashukuru nikipata kiswahili fasaha cha maneno hayo ya Kiingereza.
     
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    BAKITA wasidie katika hili.
     
  14. Mzee Mwanakijiji

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    umesema vizuri katika tobo na tundu; kimsingi tofauti kubwa kati ya tobo na tundu ni hiyo uliyoonesha tobo hutokea kwa kusababishwa na kitu kingine cha nje, tundu laweza kusababishwa na kitu cha nje au kitu cha asili (natural). Lakini vile vile tundu na tobo vinategemea ukubwa. Tundu ni tobo kubwa!! Hivyo kutegemea na matumizi huwezi kujikuta mtu anatumia maneno hayo kwa kubadilishana.

    Hata hivyo, kwenye shimo umesema vizuri kidogo. Kwa ufupi, shimo ni sehemu ya ardhi iliyochimbwa kwa kina na kuachwa wazi bila kufukiwa. Ni kwa sababu hiyo shimo SIYO tundu wala tobo (kwa sababu tobo na tundu vinahitaji kuwa wazi upande wa pili ili vitu viweze kupenya).

    Na vile vile shimo haliwezi kuwa kwenye nguo, gari, au kitu kingine isipokuwa kwenye ardhi.
     
  15. Mkaa Mweupe

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    Hapo kidogo mnateleza, shimo si lazima liwe ardhini, shimo linaweza kutokea hata mwilini au kwenye mbao, ili mradi liwe limeziba upande mmoja, lina kipenyo na kina.

    Tobo linakuwa na kipenyo pekee.

    Tundu ni uwazi wenye kipenyo na kina ila pande zote ziko wazi, mfano ni tundu la pua, sikio, ushu$ nk.
     
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  17. Raia Fulani

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    kiingereza tungesema synonyms. same meaning. kwa wale waliotazama prison break, T-BAG akiwa mdogo baba yake alimwambi, "give me 10 synonyms of the word destroy. dogo akaanza-kill, lynch, maim, mutilate, eradicate, crush, extinguish.... so unaona maana ya neno ilivyo na maneno mengi.
     
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    Hata mimi bado naona ni kitu kile kile. Kwa mfano nywele ni zile zile ila hubadilika jina kutokana na mahali zilipo kwa mfano

    Kichwani zinaitwa nywele,
    Kwenye kidevu zinaitwa ndevu na wengine wanaongezea kama za Osama
    Na kule ndani zinaitwaje sijui ah nimesahau mnikumbushe
     
  19. Sipo

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    shimo
     
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    Kamuna JF-Expert Member

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    Ze utamu itakuwa ipi kati hizo tatu?
     
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