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Ties That Bind South Africa and Tanzania

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    Although the dust of the ouster of former South African President, Thabo Mbeki has already settled, the nation is at crossroads. The African strategic nation was not ready for Mbeki’s exit despite swearing in a new caretaker president, Kgalema Mothlanthe.

    Will Jacob Zuma, become a uniter or a divider just like Kikwete’s in-party fractures? Today I will ponder on some similarities between South Africa and Tanzania, which is also a strategic nation in the region.

    Both countries are xenophobic towards black refugees. We recently witnessed foreigners from African countries tortured and killed in South Africa just like the refugees from Rwanda, DRC and Burundi were expelled in Tanzania, whilst Chinese and Indians went about their deals in the upper echelons of power. The duo ironically fought against apartheid but sadly practice it.

    Another area the duo can be tied together is mega corruption involving the big guns. In Tanzania, former President, Benjamin Mkapa and former Premier Edward Lowassa and other senior ministers were implicated just like former Vice President Zuma that hides behind the ruling of the court that did not dispute the existence of corruption but interference. Nonetheless, Zuma and Lowassa were fired while Mkapa has been left to get away with it thanks to President Jakaya Kikwete’s muscle flexing.

    Another area South Africa and Tanzania meet is on the minerals. They’re all endowed with a massive amount of minerals. Whereas South Africa benefits from its minerals as a result of a good structure left by the former Boer regime, Tanzania is a victim. Tanzania’s minerals are benefiting foreign thieves disguised under many good names. The so-called investors have conspired with the high and mighty to send the country to an economic purgatory.

    When it comes to firing their rulers, the duos square it. In Tanzania, parliamentary select committee ousted a premier after he was implicated in dirty deeds such as the Richmond scandal. To the contrary, the ANC-Zuma-party committee recalled President Thabo Mbeki for being tough on corruption in which Zuma is implicated. Zuma was booted out by Mbeki after it came to light that he participated in corrupt practices.

    In all countries, vampire ruling parties have become another heck to the common man. They ruin their countries as in Mbeki’s overthrow and Lowassa’s survival from facing the music thanks to being caught red handed in Richmond. Believe me Tanzania’s Lowasa is receiving retirement emoluments and other fat perks as if he honourably retired. Every successful mumbo jumbo in the duo has behind the scene soliciting and donating of money. This has cost them a lot. Zuma temporarily went under thanks to the good job by Schabir Shaik as it is Jeetu Patel in EPA’s profligacy.

    No one knows the logic behind expelling the learned and hardworking Mbeki to usher in Zuma. But in politics anything is possible. Who could believe that in 2005, Tanzanians would pick Kikwete and dump an international renowned economist, Professor Ibrahim Lipumba? The trouble is who’d pick a secondary school leaver Amani Karume and negate elite like Dr. Gharib Bilal in Zanzibar? These are poll-tricks anyway.

    Tanzania suffers a lot more from self inflicted poverty than South Africa that is witnessing substantial surge of black middle class as opposed to the latter. Tanzania’s economy is the most mismanaged in East Africa. She is outshone even by countries like Rwanda and Uganda whose making she had an upper hand. Her currency is heading to the red every time not to mention her ever decreasing incomes and exports. Imports are spiraling and dependence on donors is immense. The difference between the haves and have-nots is widening. Social services are dilapidated and outdated compared to the resources the country sits on.

    Who could believe that in the 21st century, a country would experience power rationing amidst being surrounded by many waters? For reminder, Tanzania still buys power from Uganda and Zambia. Tanzanians are groping in darkness, high electricity bills and power rationing due Chama Cha Mapinduzi (CCM) cadres sabotaging the Tanzania National Power Supply Company (TANESCO).

    The founder of Tanzania, Julius Nyerere, once said: "Ask those running to the state house. What are they running for if at all there is no business in the state house?" Though Tanzanians did not ask Kikwete, we can comfortably ask Zuma: “What mission do you have for the country if at all there is no business in the state house?”

    Tanzanians should stop the xenophobia because we all know that its a playing field for whites
     
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    Ties that Bind South Africa and Tanzania

    Although the dust of the ouster of former South African President, Thabo Mbeki has already settled, the nation is at crossroads. The African strategic nation was not ready for Mbeki's exit despite swearing in a new caretaker president, Kgalema Mothlanthe.

    Will Jacob Zuma, become a uniter or a divider just like Kikwete's in-party fractures? Today I will ponder on some similarities between South Africa and Tanzania, which is also a strategic nation in the region.

    Both countries are xenophobic towards black refugees. We recently witnessed foreigners from African countries tortured and killed in South Africa just like the refugees from Rwanda, DRC and Burundi were expelled in Tanzania, whilst Chinese and Indians went about their deals in the upper echelons of power. The duo ironically fought against apartheid but sadly practice it.

    Another area the duo can be tied together is mega corruption involving the big guns. In Tanzania, former President, Benjamin Mkapa and former Premier Edward Lowassa and other senior ministers were implicated just like former Vice President Zuma that hides behind the ruling of the court that did not dispute the existence of corruption but interference. Nonetheless, Zuma and Lowassa were fired while Mkapa has been left to get away with it thanks to President Jakaya Kikwete's muscle flexing.

    Another area South Africa and Tanzania meet is on the minerals. They're all endowed with a massive amount of minerals. Whereas South Africa benefits from its minerals as a result of a good structure left by the former Boer regime, Tanzania is a victim. Tanzania's minerals are benefiting foreign thieves disguised under many good names. The so-called investors have conspired with the high and mighty to send the country to an economic purgatory.

    When it comes to firing their rulers, the duos square it. In Tanzania, parliamentary select committee ousted a premier after he was implicated in dirty deeds such as the Richmond scandal. To the contrary, the ANC-Zuma-party committee recalled President Thabo Mbeki for being tough on corruption in which Zuma is implicated. Zuma was booted out by Mbeki after it came to light that he participated in corrupt practices.

    In all countries, vampire ruling parties have become another heck to the common man. They ruin their countries as in Mbeki's overthrow and Lowassa's survival from facing the music thanks to being caught red handed in Richmond. Believe me Tanzania's Lowasa is receiving retirement emoluments and other fat perks as if he honourably retired. Every successful mumbo jumbo in the duo has behind the scene soliciting and donating of money. This has cost them a lot. Zuma temporarily went under thanks to the good job by Schabir Shaik as it is Jeetu Patel in EPA's profligacy.

    No one knows the logic behind expelling the learned and hardworking Mbeki to usher in Zuma. But in politics anything is possible. Who could believe that in 2005, Tanzanians would pick Kikwete and dump an international renowned economist, Professor Ibrahim Lipumba? The trouble is who'd pick a secondary school leaver Amani Karume and negate elite like Dr. Gharib Bilal in Zanzibar? These are poll-tricks anyway.

    Tanzania suffers a lot more from self inflicted poverty than South Africa that is witnessing substantial surge of black middle class as opposed to the latter. Tanzania's economy is the most mismanaged in East Africa. She is outshone even by countries like Rwanda and Uganda whose making she had an upper hand. Her currency is heading to the red every time not to mention her ever decreasing incomes and exports. Imports are spiraling and dependence on donors is immense. The difference between the haves and have-nots is widening. Social services are dilapidated and outdated compared to the resources the country sits on.

    Who could believe that in the 21st century, a country would experience power rationing amidst being surrounded by many waters? For reminder, Tanzania still buys power from Uganda and Zambia. Tanzanians are groping in darkness, high electricity bills and power rationing due Chama Cha Mapinduzi (CCM) cadres sabotaging the Tanzania National Power Supply Company (TANESCO).

    The founder of Tanzania, Julius Nyerere, once said: "Ask those running to the state house. What are they running for if at all there is no business in the state house?" Though Tanzanians did not ask Kikwete, we can comfortably ask Zuma: "What mission do you have for the country if at all there is no business in the state house?" Will Zuma's struggles end up becoming yet another dud? Who knows?


    By Nkwazi Mhango
    Mhango is a Tanzanian living in Canada. He is a Journalist, Teacher, Human Rights activist and member of the Writers' Association of New Foundland and Labrador (WANL)
     
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    very good article. well done nkwazi mhango. though I believe the way we are, if you are lucky, soon we will call u a malawian and forfeit your tanzanian passport! or else we will sue you for 'uchochezi' or brand you chadema supporter na umejaa wivu na uchu wa madaraka! you know us, we are good in rejecting to swallow the truth...and highly willing to entertain unafiki!
     
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    Hapa nakubaliana na Nkwazi Mhango our economy is in a shabby condition, Waziri wa Fedha anatoa figures za uongo tu.
     
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    ROFL..kaka unaua.
     
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    ROFL, kaka ile gay parade ilkuwa vipi? siku nyingi huonekani.
     
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    Keep on exposing your shi%%%%t ........ongea kama uliyeenda shule.......siyo kutuletea......bu%^&llshit za Nairobery....... Ndiyo tatizo la tumastaz twa India...... njoo tukufundishe kijana, maana unaongea na maprof....vijana...

    Fyi is not pleasant to derail the topic.....
     
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    pole kama nimekosa wacha basi ni mtumie private message kumuuliza hiyo gay parade ilivyokuwa. Alafu Eli wasema ati kuwa wewe ni Prof LMFAO, hahaha,.. Inshallah, its good to dream.
     
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    Teh..teh.... for me hicho ni kitu kidogo sana........ mimi ni young prof..... Siyo ngumu kiasi hicho. Lakini kama unasoma tuMastaz twa India hiyo kweli ni day dream.
     
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    Lets not divert the thread further, tuwache kujipa misifa ambayo haina faida na ina udhi wachangiaji wenzetu.. In this article that we are basing our discussion on, have you noted that the only positive thing worth mentioning that you share with SA is the abudance of minerals? the sad thing is that South Africa uses its minerals to build there country, while In TZ the minerals are used to line the pockets of foreign mining companies and power hungry kleptomaniacs whom you have refused to remove from power because you think that this might destabilize the nation, while majority of the population remain poor and uneducated.
    what is your opinion of the highlighted xenophobia in Tanzania? do you think it might complicate matters when the E.A.C is fully operational? what do you think is the main cause for the xenophobic tendencies? might it be the low confidence that most of you portray due to a history of poor schooling and ujamaa or it may be due to sheer jealousy where foreigners make it with ease in your own country while you have been struggling for ages. Is it the land problem faced by Kenya that you somehow think that we are coming in ''droves'' to grab what is not ours, do you fear the competitiveness that will be there when foreigners and foreign companies come in plenty in your country, coz lets admit it you are not known for your professionalism. Its about time you stop loving this boundaries so much, they werent there when our fore fathers walked this earth.
     
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    What is in article is too general...........
    1. Xenophobia is a devil.....i.e is every where....e.g in continental europe, in the UK, US etc....the natives do not like to see the strangers in their land.... even in kenya, xenophobia is there.....and in your country the situation is bad since you are discriminating each other basing in your tribes.
    2. (Whites) stealing country resources in collaboration with politicians is a normal practice in developing countries...... if you remember Anglo-leasing/gold...... in your county.....that is a typical example of looting mali za wananchi...
    3. Again....the author of the article.....explains the situation in a very obvious way.......blunt thoughts...(in critical analysis)....you need to be straight to the point,.....give the mood on the ground... the article is just a blah...blah.. (sorry for saying that).......IN THIS ISSUE ...IF YOU WANT TO GET THE FACTS FROM THE GROUND SOMA ANSBERT NGURUMO.....he explains emperically what is the mood in the country...
    ni hayo tu kwa uchache......
     
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    So according to your school of thought, just because something happens in the rest of the third world its OK when it happens in your own country (comfort in numbers huh?). Note that we are not making comparisons with europe or America, lets focus on the article, its between SA and Bongo (the way y'all folks like to be associated with the South). In kenya there is no xenophobia, there is triabalism yes, but not xenophobia, mikakati mingi yanawekwa ku discourage ukabila na nina uhakika ya kuwa tutashinda hii vita, lakini nyie mna tolerate xenophobia kwa sababu in your boxed mind its alright to attack people from other nationalities.
     
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    Ni-PM nikuelekeze ratiba za mshebebe wangu naona umeumiss sana. Karibu.
     
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    Smatta,
    You have a hidden agenda, that Kenyans should come to Tanzania and grab our land using Nkwazi Mhango article 'Xenophobic towards black refugees a.k.a 'Kenyans''

    Watch the first 10 minutes of this clip on Kenya's intellegentsia failure . Uploaded by
    Moi University-IUPUI International Symposium with P.L.O Lumumba - Part 2


     
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    What he failed to note is,while we were fighting the apartheid regime,them "black" refugees were fighting themselves and they never dare support the frontline states.And this malawian(yes I said it!) dont remember that together with kenya and Congo they were trading with the apartheid regime!!!!
    We,of course wont forget the bit*h a*s nations that betrayed us back in the day,and while we are about to remember the Soweto massacre of 1976,can y'all please accept this middle finger?Please?

    Aluta Continua!!!
     
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    You have both.....xeno & tribal.......but since you're always in denial you cant see it and you'l never see it....... hamna nchi ambayo haina prejudice..... hata ukienda zambia...malawi.....msumbiji..... na hali ni mbaya zaidi ukienda ulaya na marekani.....ubaguzi upo pale....lakini tatizo ni kwamba naongea na smatta who is fanced in east africa.....hasa nairobery.....obviously huta nielewa......ngoja niokoe muda wangu kwa kuacha kujadili na kipofu.....
     
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