Things you didn't know about Zanzibar

[Nazjaz]

Do you know that Zanzibar Gold Reserve
before and after the Revolution was
estimated at more than 5,000 tons?
Do you know that the Gold Reserve was
transferred to Central Bank of Tanzania in
1975 and was slowly and secretly
used by Nyerere to prop-up his Government
through social services and salaries?
Do you know that Zanzibar started to pay
for all parliamentary activities, the army,
police, fuel and others since 1973 for the
Union Government?
Do you know that Zanzibar bought all the
army hardware including the mig fighter
aircraft, tanks, police marine
boats,ammunition and made a down
payment deposit even for Air Tanzania
aircraft at its inception?
Do you know that Zanzibar fully funded the
1982 War against Idd Amin?
Do you know that Zanzibar until 1984 was
the sole financier of the Mainland
Government?
Do you know the reason of Zanzibar
succumbing to bankruptcy was because of
these reasons?
Today we are hearing politicians,
academicians and others complaining about
the Mainland Government footing the Union
bill, why don’t our politicians and those
responsible in dishing out our precious
revenue comes out in the open and said the
truth.
It is time that Zanzibari be allowed to go
through the Treasury records and shed light
to this miss-management and claim
compensation if proven true on the above. I
have attached a part of what Babu exposed
on our Union.

 

[Nazjaz]

On 22 April, the articles for the Tanganyika-
Zanzibar union were signed by Nyerere and
Karume. Like the relationship between
Northern Ireland and Britain the union gave
Zanzibar
limited regional administrative autonomy
but ensured that overall power – foreign
affairs,
defense, trade union matters, and control of
foreign exchange was held by the centre at
Dar es
Salaam. However as Carlucci reported,
Karume was ‘still under the impression
that he was
agreeing to the federation of two
autonomous states.’
The Policies of ‘African Socialism’
The months and years which followed the
union were a time of chaos and violence in
Zanzibar. The CIA continued to keep a close
eye on the region. In May 1965 they noted
that
in Zanzibar, the union was still far from
popular… “Karume gave little thought
to the
consequences of such a union and of
ratification of the [union] agreement even
though only
one third of the island’s Revolutionary
Council voted in favor and despite strong
opposition
from radical labor and youth elements”
(8).
In fact the union brought untold suffering
to the people of Zanzibar and continues to
do so. It
was carried out in secret, as it were, without
popular consultation. As Babu was to write:
“The aims of the revolutionary
government of Zanzibar and those of the
Tanganyikan
African National Union (TANU) government
on the mainland were not identical. The
aims of
the former were necessitated by the
revolution itself which led inevitably to a
decisive break
with colonialism and imperialism…The
TANU government was still encumbered by
the
trappings of an Uhuru government, carefully
groomed by the colonialists and the World
Bank. It was set firmly on the road to
neocolonialism and made no attempt to
assert its
independence. In other words trying to
unite the two countries was like trying to
mix oil and
water.
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The Journal of Pan African Studies, vol.1,
no.9, August 2007
7
The human and social cost of uniting these
two disparate entities [Zanzibar and
Tanganyika]
…was enormous. In Zanzibar the post-
union government of Karume freed from the
discipline
imposed by the revolution, embarked on an
adventurist policy of leveling down to the
lowest
social denominator. The aims of the
revolution had been subverted, vulgarized
and reduced to
the pettiness and nastiness of racial hatred
and prejudice. Several leading members of
the
revolution were silenced either through
physical liquidation or exile, while their
executioners,
even to this day, are being protected and
even honoured by the union”(9).
After the union, Babu was transferred to the
mainland and offered a series of fairly
insignificant posts in the Tanzanian cabinet.
He told me “I was not in charge; there
were three
Ministers of State. All three of us were under
the President. There was nothing we could
do…There was a French Director of
Planning…I was Minister of Economic
Planning but I
could not plan policies or implement themâ
€(10).
However, in this period, as Minister of
Economic Planning, Babu wrote a series of
articles in
the country’s main daily paper, ‘The
Nationalist’. Titled ‘The Meaning of Self
Reliance’, and
written not under his name but simply as
Pressman’s Commentary, these seminal
essays,
traced most of Africa’s problems to the
economic and political structures inherited
from
colonialism. He argued that colonial
structures had been put in place for the
benefit of
metropolitan capital and were held in place
by repressive laws and policies, now, they
must
now be rejected.
He laid out clearly and in painstaking detail
the policies which would meet the needs of
Tanzania’s own people. He believed that
for a country which had been a colony,
reconstructing its economy and becoming
self-reliant –economic nationalism –
was the
central strategy of a socialist struggle. (While
this was true in the colonial and immediately
post-colonial eras it is, of course, even more
the case in the contemporary phase of the
globalization of capital). Babu, as we have
seen, was never to implement his plans for
economic transformation of Tanzania, but
his approach brought him into sharp
contradiction
with Nyerere’s policies of so-called
African Socialism.
Nyerere, by this time, had consolidated
power in his own hands. By 1967, he and
his ruling
party were supreme. The constitution had
been changed and all mass organizations
brought
under the party – the trade union
movement, the cooperative movement,
women’s and youth
organizations and even religious
organizations.
The centralization of power meant also that
there was no arena for debate or criticism
and
that those who tried to criticize were
branded subversives or enemies of the
state.
At the same time, focusing on welfarism,
Nyerere neglected the crucial task of
restructuring
the colonial economy and Tanzania began to
face serious economic problems.
In search of a populist strategy Nyerere
started a programme of indiscriminate
nationalization
– often targeting small businesses. Babu
opposed this. He predicted (correctly) that it
would
damage the economy, raise the cost of
distribution and dislocate the business
system. In his
view socialist priorities should rather entail
the development of productive forces by
integrating private and government
resources.

 

[Tausi Mzalendo]

UNAOTA? -HALLUCINATIONS??
Zanzibar wana migodi ya dhahabu ipi?

 

[FaizaFoxy]

UNAOTA? -HALLUCINATIONS??
Zanzibar wana migodi ya dhahabu ipi?

Kutokuwa na migodi ya dhahabu haina maana hotokuwa na dhahabu, hao wenye migodi wanawauzia kina nani? au wanaiweka tu dhahabu na kuitazama macho?

 

[Kiranja Mkuu]

Zanzibar wanaiba dhahabu bara matani kwa matani na wanaikimbizia arabuni.

 

[Masuke]

Do you know that Zanzibar fully funded the
1982 War against Idd Amin?

Hayo mengine sina uhakika nayo, lakini hiyo vita 1982 nadhani haikuwepo.

 

[kabombe]

Takwimu za kupika.

Umeme kulipa tu ni mshikemshike.

Asilimia 90 ya matatizo ya znz yameletwa na wenyewe kaeni muyamalize,sio kusingizia bara

 

[Al-Mende]

aaah.. Mchovu tu wewe...! Send this thread to the trash-can please..!

 

[mashikolomageni]

Do you know that Zanzibar Gold Reserve
before and after the Revolution was
estimated at more than 5,000 tons?
Do you know that the Gold Reserve was
transferred to Central Bank of Tanzania in
1975 and was slowly and secretly
used by Nyerere to prop-up his Government
through social services and salaries?
Do you know that Zanzibar started to pay
for all parliamentary activities, the army,
police, fuel and others since 1973 for the
Union Government?
Do you know that Zanzibar bought all the
army hardware including the mig fighter
aircraft, tanks, police marine
boats,ammunition and made a down
payment deposit even for Air Tanzania
aircraft at its inception?
Do you know that Zanzibar fully funded the
1982 War against Idd Amin?
Do you know that Zanzibar until 1984 was
the sole financier of the Mainland
Government?
Do you know the reason of Zanzibar
succumbing to bankruptcy was because of
these reasons?
Today we are hearing politicians,
academicians and others complaining about
the Mainland Government footing the Union
bill, why don't our politicians and those
responsible in dishing out our precious
revenue comes out in the open and said the
truth.
It is time that Zanzibari be allowed to go
through the Treasury records and shed light
to this miss-management and claim
compensation if proven true on the above. I
have attached a part of what Babu exposed
on our Union.

hapo penye nyekundu nifafanulieni vita ya 1982 dhidi ya NDULI(M K U NDU) ? kwa kimasai jina alilopewana Sokoine

 

[MwanaFalsafa1]

That's all well and good but now if you can just provide hard evidence for what you just said.

 

[Lole Gwakisa]

Do you know that Zanzibar Gold Reserve
before and after the Revolution was
estimated at more than 5,000 tons?
Do you know that Zanzibar fully funded the
1982 War against Idd Amin?
Do you know that Zanzibar until 1984 was
the sole financier of the Mainland
Government?

You are not only crazy but stupid as well!
Una bahati mbaya sana ya kuelezea kutojua kwako juu ya historia ya Zanzibar na Tanganyika.Kwa maono yangu wewe ni kati ya wale wavivu wa kupindukia na usijue jinsi ya kujikomboa na uvivi na umasikini wako wa kujitakia.
Zanzibar kuwa na tani 5000 za dhahabu? kwa mgodi upi tueleze
Wakati wa uhuru Zanzibar haikuwa na watu zaidi ya 500,000, ambapo Tanganyika ilikuwa na watu milioni 9.
Kasome historia yako kabla ya kuweka upupu wa kijinga.
Halafu vita ya Idi Amin 1982?
Kijana naona umezaliwa juzi na hujui hata matukio ya liyotokea miaka hiyo.Kama ulikua bado mimba, vita hiyo ilianza 1979 na iliisha 1980/81.
Upupu wa kuhadithiwa unawafanya mnakuwa vituko ndani ya jamii.
Up until 1984 Zanzibar was the sole financiier of the Mainland Govt? Yaani watu almost 800,000 wanawalisha watu karibia milioni 30.
Una matatizo ya kijinsia na sina zaidi.

 

[Lole Gwakisa]

Kutokuwa na migodi ya dhahabu haina maana hotokuwa na dhahabu, hao wenye migodi wanawauzia kina nani? au wanaiweka tu dhahabu na kuitazama macho?

Bibie huwa nakuheshimu sana kwa michango yako , lakini katika hili la pumba , kulisapoti unaonekana hamnazo vile vile.

 

[Tausi Mzalendo]

Kutokuwa na migodi ya dhahabu haina maana hotokuwa na dhahabu, hao wenye migodi wanawauzia kina nani? au wanaiweka tu dhahabu na kuitazama macho?

Ha! Bi shosti upo ehhh?
Wajionaje hali?

 

[Kiraka]

Do you know that Zanzibar Gold Reservebefore and after the Revolution wasestimated at more than 5,000 tons?Do you know that the Gold Reserve wastransferred to Central Bank of Tanzania in1975 and was slowly and secretlyused by Nyerere to prop-up his Governmentthrough social services and salaries?Do you know that Zanzibar started to payfor all parliamentary activities, the army,police, fuel and others since 1973 for theUnion Government?Do you know that Zanzibar bought all thearmy hardware including the mig fighteraircraft, tanks, police marineboats,ammunition and made a downpayment deposit even for Air Tanzaniaaircraft at its inception?Do you know that Zanzibar fully funded the1982 War against Idd Amin?Do you know that Zanzibar until 1984 wasthe sole financier of the MainlandGovernment?Do you know the reason of Zanzibarsuccumbing to bankruptcy was because ofthese reasons?Today we are hearing politicians,academicians and others complaining aboutthe Mainland Government footing the Unionbill, why don’t our politicians and thoseresponsible in dishing out our preciousrevenue comes out in the open and said thetruth.It is time that Zanzibari be allowed to gothrough the Treasury records and shed lightto this miss-management and claimcompensation if proven true on the above. Ihave attached a part of what Babu exposedon our Union.

Huu ndio uzushi wa kwenye vijiwe vya kahawa Zanzibar... Yaani umekaa umeona ulete hapa thread!!

 

[nngu007]

Nani analipia Umeme wa Z'Bar Since Revolution?

 

[Kiranja Mkuu]

Bibie huwa nakuheshimu sana kwa michango yako , lakini katika hili la pumba , kulisapoti unaonekana hamnazo vile vile.

umechelewa sana kutambua kuwa FAIZA FOXY ni hamnazo

 

[Globu]

umechelewa sana kutambua kuwa FAIZA FOXY ni hamnazo

Wakuu WATANGANYIKA msijitie hamnazo. Mada iliyotolewa hapo juu haina chembe ya uongo, ni ukweli mtupu. Ni hila na ujanja wa Nyerere tu. Eti watanganyika wanashangaa na ZNZ kuwa na tani 5000 za dhahabu. Kasomeni tena history bado hamjaijua au hamtaki kuijua kwa makusudi. Acheni kumsakama FaizaFoxy, hamumuwezi.

 

[Khakha]

hadithi za wanywa gahawa na kashata pale mwembe mimba hizo.

 

[pascaldaudi]

You are not only crazy but stupid as well!
Una bahati mbaya sana ya kuelezea kutojua kwako juu ya historia ya Zanzibar na Tanganyika.Kwa maono yangu wewe ni kati ya wale wavivu wa kupindukia na usijue jinsi ya kujikomboa na uvivi na umasikini wako wa kujitakia.
Zanzibar kuwa na tani 5000 za dhahabu? kwa mgodi upi tueleze
Wakati wa uhuru Zanzibar haikuwa na watu zaidi ya 500,000, ambapo Tanganyika ilikuwa na watu milioni 9.
Kasome historia yako kabla ya kuweka upupu wa kijinga.
Halafu vita ya Idi Amin 1982?
Kijana naona umezaliwa juzi na hujui hata matukio ya liyotokea miaka hiyo.Kama ulikua bado mimba, vita hiyo ilianza 1979 na iliisha 1980/81.
Upupu wa kuhadithiwa unawafanya mnakuwa vituko ndani ya jamii.
Up until 1984 Zanzibar was the sole financiier of the Mainland Govt? Yaani watu almost 800,000 wanawalisha watu karibia milioni 30.
Una matatizo ya kijinsia na sina zaidi.

Mkuu hapo umenea. Huyu kijana hana adabu. Unajua hili ndiyo tatizo la brain wash na propaganda za ki punguani. Great Thinkers mnakumbuka simulizi za utotoni Nyangumi mwenye matatiti!, au kwa wale mangosha simulizi za kitoto za lishing'weng'we!

 

[Mag3]

Nazjaz, umesahau na haya;
Zanzibar kabla na baada ya uhuru ilikuwa na njia za reli,
Mwalimu (RIP) akazing'oa na kuzihamishia bara.
Zanzibar ilikuwa na mbuga za wanyama,
Mwalimu akawahamishia Serengeti na Mikumi.
Zanzibar ilikuwa na maprofesa waliobobea,
Mwalimu akawahamisha wafundishe bara.
Zanzibar ilikuwa na vyuo vikuu kadha wa kadha,
Mwalimu akavifunga vyote na kuanzisha UDSM.
Zanzibar ilikuwa huru chini ya Sultani Rhamshid Ibn
Abdullah, Mwalimu akafanya njama na kumng'oa.
Bahati Wazanzibari wamepata mkombozi mpya
Kwa jina Jakaya Mrisho Kiwete na uhuru uko njiani.
Lazima tuhakikishe haya yanaingia Wikipedia
Na historia mpya ya Tanzania inaandikwa, loo !
Kaaaaaaaaazi kweeeli kweeeeeeli !