Dismiss Notice
You are browsing this site as a guest. It takes 2 minutes to CREATE AN ACCOUNT and less than 1 minute to LOGIN

The truth about army ammuniation explosion like that of Gongo la Mboto

Discussion in 'Jukwaa la Siasa' started by palalisote, Feb 17, 2011.

  1. palalisote

    palalisote JF-Expert Member

    #1
    Feb 17, 2011
    Joined: Aug 4, 2010
    Messages: 8,353
    Likes Received: 23
    Trophy Points: 0
    It is an unfortunate fact that ammunition and explosive storage can never be 100% safe in terms of
    the ‘absence of risk', and the best that can be achieved is ‘tolerable risk'.
    It is appropriate, however, to highlight that in terms of national stockpiles the hazard is the physical presence of the ammunition and explosives, whereas the risk is primarily dependent on:
    a) the physical and chemical condition of the ammunition and explosives;
    b) the training and education of the personnel responsible for the storage and surveillance of
    the stockpiles;

    c) the handling, repair, maintenance and disposal systems in place; and

    d) the storage infrastructure and environment.

    The concept of tolerable risk can only be achieved if the ammunition management systems and
    storage infrastructure are to appropriate standards or in accordance with ‘best practices'. A past
    desk study
    by the Geneva International Centre for Humanitarian Demining (GICHD),
    supplemented by further SEESAC research, has identified a significant number of recent explosive
    events that have occurred due to inappropriate storage (report not attached)

    This study clearly indicates that in almost all post-conflict environments, and in many developing countries, a physical risk exists to communities from the presence of abandoned, damaged or inappropriately stored and managed stockpiles of ammunition and explosives.

    There are many possible causes of undesirable explosions in Ammunition Storage Areas, but

    these can usually be attributed under the following generic areas:

    a) deterioration of the physical or chemical condition of the ammunition and explosives.
    b) unsafe storage practices and infrastructure;
    c) unsafe handling and transport practices;
    d) external effects, (such as fire); or
    e) deliberate sabotage.
    Regrettably, the dramatic consequences of an ammunition explosion normally make the key
    witnesses to the event its first victims. Therefore any subsequent investigation tends to
    concentrate on the practices and regulations in force at the time, as key witnesses are not
    available. Due to the fact that a degree of technical knowledge is required for an effective
    investigation, the investigating authority is also usually the authority responsible for the ammunition
    management and storage in the first place. This complicates impartiality, independence of
    investigation and leads to a reluctance to allocate responsibility.










     
  2. Bongolander

    Bongolander JF-Expert Member

    #2
    Feb 17, 2011
    Joined: Jul 10, 2007
    Messages: 4,880
    Likes Received: 23
    Trophy Points: 135
    There is nothing that we are capable of managing, let us admit it.
     
  3. m

    mubi JF-Expert Member

    #3
    Feb 17, 2011
    Joined: Feb 3, 2010
    Messages: 227
    Likes Received: 2
    Trophy Points: 35
    We depend upon other countries to do for us....we can not buld our own toilets, eg many schools and some home do not posses toilets.Big issues like safe storage of ammunition is a 100 million years dream to us.
     
  4. m

    macinkus JF-Expert Member

    #4
    Feb 17, 2011
    Joined: Sep 15, 2007
    Messages: 260
    Likes Received: 0
    Trophy Points: 33
    nchi zote zina majeshi na zinatunza silaha pamoja na mabomu. ni tz tu ambako katika muda wa chini ya miezi 24 yamelipuka nakuua raia. hongera kanalil jk

    macinkus
     
  5. MANI

    MANI Platinum Member

    #5
    Feb 17, 2011
    Joined: Feb 22, 2010
    Messages: 5,850
    Likes Received: 866
    Trophy Points: 280
    Labda wenzetu hawajui kuyaanagalia vizuri ndio maana hayalipuki sisi huku naona utalaamu umezidi.
     
  6. Maundumula

    Maundumula JF-Expert Member

    #6
    Feb 17, 2011
    Joined: Nov 4, 2010
    Messages: 7,038
    Likes Received: 24
    Trophy Points: 135
    At last I see a useful post about Gongo la mboto explosions
     
  7. M

    Malunde-Malundi JF-Expert Member

    #7
    Feb 17, 2011
    Joined: Jan 10, 2008
    Messages: 1,287
    Likes Received: 0
    Trophy Points: 0
    Kaleta pumba; so waziri alikuwa hajui kuwa hawezi kuhandle? kwa nini alisema haitatokea tena? kama ndivyo aondoke sasa
     
  8. T

    TrueWares New Member

    #8
    Feb 17, 2011
    Joined: Nov 5, 2010
    Messages: 4
    Likes Received: 0
    Trophy Points: 0
    the proximity of munitions stockpiles to human habitat/settlement should also be considered a risk, first on the list.
     
  9. M

    Mkeshaji JF-Expert Member

    #9
    Feb 17, 2011
    Joined: Jan 7, 2011
    Messages: 4,264
    Likes Received: 5
    Trophy Points: 0
    Google works!
     
  10. Masika

    Masika JF-Expert Member

    #10
    Feb 17, 2011
    Joined: Sep 18, 2009
    Messages: 731
    Likes Received: 0
    Trophy Points: 33
    Initially, it occured in 2004 and killed jwtz men and poor civil at the same place, nothing was leant and experinced nor precaution taken till yesterday tragedy
    This is pure Tanzania worry not
     
  11. Mpangamji

    Mpangamji JF-Expert Member

    #11
    Feb 17, 2011
    Joined: May 12, 2010
    Messages: 528
    Likes Received: 1
    Trophy Points: 35
    Tume ya nini sasa kama mambo yako hivyo?
     
  12. Visenti

    Visenti JF-Expert Member

    #12
    Feb 18, 2011
    Joined: Jul 24, 2008
    Messages: 1,033
    Likes Received: 7
    Trophy Points: 133


    Proper ammunition/explosives storage facility (storage bunkers) are designed to withstand powerful explosions, I suspect the JWTZ storage facilities do not meet a minimum/basic specifications, they are just ordinary warehouses.
     
  13. Ole

    Ole JF-Expert Member

    #13
    Feb 18, 2011
    Joined: Dec 16, 2006
    Messages: 737
    Likes Received: 3
    Trophy Points: 135
    Mlipuko huu wa mabomu umefanywa kwa hila ili ku-divert attention hawa mafisadi hamuwawezi wanawazidi ujanja, watatumia kila mbinu na hila ili waendelee kukaa madarakani. Haiwezekani nyumba ziungue moja baada ya nyingine tena kuanzia saa mbili tu huu ni upuuzi kupita kiasi.
     
  14. n

    niweze JF-Expert Member

    #14
    Feb 18, 2011
    Joined: Oct 21, 2009
    Messages: 1,008
    Likes Received: 2
    Trophy Points: 0
    "Its sound like your are campaigning for these criminals" How much do you know the truth about Gongo la Mboto Explosion? You have the report ready. Good for you... How much did you store from our treasure?
     
  15. P

    PR Member

    #15
    Feb 18, 2011
    Joined: Aug 11, 2009
    Messages: 22
    Likes Received: 0
    Trophy Points: 0
    It is true. We lack professionalism in every think.
     
  16. K

    KVM JF-Expert Member

    #16
    Feb 18, 2011
    Joined: Feb 11, 2011
    Messages: 1,667
    Likes Received: 229
    Trophy Points: 160
    The bombs explosions are part of a wider picture about Tanzania. It is a country full of negligence and most people do not obey simple rules and regulations or abide by the instructions provided on how to do certain things. It is diheartening when we I see people doing things which are completely against enacted laws and accepted norms. Just drive in Dar and see how drivers do not obey traffic laws. They overtake on the left and on the right, the motorbike riders can cross on red lights in front of a traffic officer, etc. It is horrible! Cholera has pitched its tent in Dar. It is here to stay because the city is very dirty. It stinks!

    You may wonder what have all these that I have said above have to do with bombs explosions. There is a lot of negligence and lack of professionalism. "Tumejaaa uswahili swahili tu". Trully speaking the country is going down the drain. Have you reflected on some of the calamities which kiled many people in Tanzania and were caused by negligence? There are many but some of the most outstanding ones include the train accident in Dodoma and the sinking of a ship in Lake Victoria which killed hunderds of Tanzanians.

    Tanzanians must wake up. They must respect education and professinalism. Otherwise, lets stop imitating what others do in other parts of the world. those guys respect education and professionalism and above all the follow the laid down laws, rules and regulations. In Tanzania laws, rules and regulations are for the downtrodden. Our leaders trounce them with impunity!

    Sorry for the long passage but this is what I observe in Tanzania!
     
  17. Augustine Moshi

    Augustine Moshi JF-Expert Member

    #17
    Feb 18, 2011
    Joined: Apr 22, 2006
    Messages: 2,076
    Likes Received: 137
    Trophy Points: 160
    Jeshi La Wananchi wa Tanzania liliundwa 1964. Limetunza mabomu bila tatizo kwa miaka 45. Ni wazi kwamba inawezekana kuhifadhi mabomu kwa usalama.

    Unataka kusema hatuwezi kuweka maghala ya mabomu sehemu ambazo hazina watu wengi kama mijini? Mijini yabaki magobori tu ya akina Mwema kuwindia watu baada ya kupata taarifa za kiintelijensia.

    Kinachochukiza sana wananchi ni kwamba serikali imeonyesha haikuchukua hatua zozote za maana (na za haraka) baada ya janga la Mbagala.

    Mwisho: Tafdhali sahihisha Kiingereza chako. Title ni mbaya, na inasomwa kimataifa. Watatushangaa watu.
     
  18. Baba_Enock

    Baba_Enock JF-Expert Member

    #18
    Feb 18, 2011
    Joined: Aug 21, 2008
    Messages: 6,724
    Likes Received: 61
    Trophy Points: 145
    Kyabushaija alisoma shule ya Kata.. Heading yako inanishawishi kuwa na wewe ulisoma wakati wa UPE!!!

    Tafadhali rejea kichwa cha habari - Kizungu umekiandika ndivyo sivyo regardless ulikuwa unamaanisha nini!!!!!!!!!
     
  19. T

    Tata JF-Expert Member

    #19
    Feb 18, 2011
    Joined: Dec 3, 2009
    Messages: 4,236
    Likes Received: 145
    Trophy Points: 160
    Hili jeshi letu limeshindwa kutunza silaha za milipuko mikubwa. Nashauri tuondoe milipuko yote kwenye makambi kisha tuwakabidhi mishale na majambia ili wakituridhisha kuwa wanaweza kuitunza ndio taratiiibu tuwakabidhi bunduki za rashasha na baabaye, baada ya miaka kama kumi toka sasa, wapewe milipuko.
     
  20. T

    Tata JF-Expert Member

    #20
    Feb 18, 2011
    Joined: Dec 3, 2009
    Messages: 4,236
    Likes Received: 145
    Trophy Points: 160
    Kwa wengi wetu kizungu/kiingereza ni lugha ama ya pili au ya tatu toka kwenye lugha mama zetu. Hatutarajii mtu ambaye anaongea/kuandika lugha ya pili/tatu asikosee hata sehemu moja. Cha muhimu ni kuelewa alichomaanisha. Nilichogundua sisi waswahili, tusiojua kizungu, ndio mafundi wa kuwacheka/kuwasema wenzetu wanaokosea hii lugha ya kigeni. Ukiwa na waingereza hawashangai unapokosea lugha yao wanachoangalia ni nini unamaanisha. Ukweli ni kwamba huwa wanashangaa wanapokutana na mgeni anayeongea lugha yao kwa ufasaha.
     
Loading...