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The Persecution of Galileo

Discussion in 'Habari na Hoja mchanganyiko' started by X-PASTER, Feb 2, 2009.

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    X-PASTER Moderator

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    "The Earth is firmly fixed; it shall not be moved."
    -Psalms 104:5​

    This bible verse shackled the minds of men for thousands of years, and held back the advance of science. It was this verse that was used as evidence against Galileo, who argued for the theory of Copernicus, that the earth is not immovable, but rotates around the sun. It was for teaching this that he was called to Rome in 1633, and tried for the crime of heresy. The aged Galileo, in his 70's, was taken down into the dungeons of the church and shown ( The Instruments of Torture) that were going to be used on him if he did not recant. Fearing the torture, and fearing that he might share the fate of Giordano Bruno, whom the church burned at the stake a generation earlier for the same crime, Galileo recanted the truth. He was confined to his home under house arrest, neither allowed to leave or to receive visitors, for the last seven years of his life.
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    "But to affirm that the Sun is really fixed in the center of the heavens and that the Earth revolves very swiftly around the Sun is a dangerous thing, not only irritating the theologians and philosophers, but injuring our holy faith and making the sacred scriptures false."

    Robert Bellarmine, Cardinal of the Roman Catholic Church and the foremost Vatican theologian of the seventeeth century.

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    "Facts which at first sight seem improbable will, even on scant explanation, drop the cloak which had hidden them and stand forth in naked and simple beauty."

    Galileo

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    "Freedom of belief is pernicious. It is nothing but the freedom to be wrong."

    Cardinal Bellarmine, on a separate occasion

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    "The doctrine that the earth is neither the center of the universe nor immovable, but moves even with a daily rotation, is absurd, and both psychologically and theologically false, and at the least an error of faith."

    Formal Church declaration in its indictment of Galileo

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    To which Galileo replied:

    "The doctrine of the movements of the earth and the fixity of the sun is condemned on the ground that the Scriptures speak in many places of the sun moving and the earth standing still... I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the Scriptures, but with experiments and demonstrations."


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    "To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin."

    Cardinal Bellarmine, during the trial of Galileo, 1615

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    "One Galileo in two thousand years is enough."

    Pope Pius XII

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    "Because I have been enjoined, by this Holy Office, to abandon the false opinion that the Sun is the center and immovable, ...I abjure, curse, and detest the said errors and heresies...contrary to the said Holy Church."

    Galileo Galilei, recanting his beliefs under threat of torture and death by the Holy Church, June 22, 1633

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    It wasn't until 1832 that Galileo's work was removed from the list of banned books that Catholics were forbidden to read. That's two hundred years after his trial... and well after Isaac Newton established the truth of the theory!

    Pope Pius IX wrote, in the 1864 Syllabus of Errors, that:
    In 1992, Pope John Paul II (reluctantly) formally apologized for the persucution of Galileo. They finally admitted that they, the Catholic Church and all the Popes since the beginning of the Church, were wrong, and that Galileo was right. For fifteen hundred years they had argued that every word in the bible was true-- that it was the perfect word of God, true in it's history and in all of its sciences. They were wrong. They threatened, tortured and killed people who disagreed with this error in the most brutal ways imaginable.

    I for one think that we should not let the church forget their crimes, lest they be repeated. If the Church still had the power of sword and firebrand, and the power to cross national borders at will, I believe that they would even now return to their policy of world conquest through threat, torture and murder.

    Catholics are not the only guilty party, however. The Protestants insisted upon holding the same ignorant error as truth.
     
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    Pascal Mayalla JF-Expert Member

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    X-Paster heshima mbele. Nimekusoma na nimekupata na yote uliyoandika ni kweli japo ume plagiarize. The issue ni fact. Kutoa fact kama hizi sio kitu kibaya tatizo kwangu ni the motive behind this post and the driving force.

    Niliwahi kushauri mambo ya dini ni imani na kila dini ina mapungufu yake/makosa yake na kuwa si busara kwa asiye Mkristo kuanika mapungufu ya Ukristo ili Wakristo wasijione unawadhalilisha. Sambamba na mimi Mkristo nianzishe post ya brutality iliofanywa na Waislamu katika Jihad ama kulipiza kisasi cha Crusade.
    Mimi ni Mkatoliki na ni kweli kanisa limefanya brutality huko nyuma ambayo sio busara kuviambia vizazi vya sasa. Ni sawa na mambo uliyoyafanya wewe katika ujana wako huna haja kumweleza mkeo wa sasa japo yalikuwa facts kwa kujiuliza what iis your motive behind na jee kuna driving force gani inayakusukuma kuyasema hayo na ukishayasema ndiyo ili iweje. Hii ni kashfa!.
    Kwa vile wewe ni Mwislamu. Kuzungumzia maovu ya Kanisa
    Katoliki mimi natafsiri lengo lako ni kulidhalilisha kanisa mbele ya umma. Kwa vile kanisa ndio dini kama ulivyo Msikiti na dini ni imani, japo najua usemayo ni kweli bado nitajenga chuki kuwa kwanini wewe ndio uyafunue?.
    Sina nia ya kuingia kwenye malumbano nawe, hiyo ni kazi ya kina Max Shimba ila sio vema kuanzisha thread za uchokozi uchochezi.
    Namalizia kwa ule ule msimamo wangu, Wakristu na Waislamu, wote tuu watoto wa Baba mmoja Ibrahim, hivyo tunaamini/abudu Mungu mmoja Almight God ndiye huyo huyo Alaah tofauti ni majina na tunatumia sheria moja ya Musa iliyoko kwenye kitabu cha Kumbukumbu la Torati ndani ya Biblia Takatifu na Taurat kwenye Quraan Tukufu.
     
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    Mpita Njia JF-Expert Member

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    Thanks X-PASTER. Nilikuwa nina-doubt baadhi ya mambo niliyoyasoma katika novel ya Dan Brown-Angels and Demons, lakini post yako imenipa mwanga kuhusiana nayo.
     
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    Fisadi.Jones Senior Member

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    All religions are the same (including our tradional religions). They are based on the similar foundation; Faith.

    What is different from all this is science; It is based on truth.

    Truth is verifiable.

    But since sayansi is based on expermentation and repeatability of such experiments, we can not say for sure that sayansi gives us the whole truth.

    So science gives us the best possible approximation to the truth, and the best possible explanation of the phenomenons in the universe.

    Some argue that truth is in mathematics, and there is not truth outside mathematics.

    And I will argue that most of our people believe that a margic portion with ingredients from Albino body parts will make them rich because most of our people do not understand math.

    And because they do not understand math, they are more likely to be religious because it is easier to belive without reasoning.

    So the solution to this disgrace is not to ban traditional healers, but teach them math, and teach their future clients (kids) math.
     
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