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The Jewish Dilemma

Discussion in 'International Forum' started by Dingswayo, Jun 17, 2010.

  1. Dingswayo

    Dingswayo JF-Expert Member

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    The Jewish dilemma is that their worn out victim card, Netanyahu's arrogance and his right wing political allies are already steam rolling Israel toward total isolation and the very real possibility of a desperate radical move away from the United States and toward unilateral action against Iran: Allen L Roland

    Israeli political activist and columnist, Gilad Atzmon writes that Israel P.M. Netanyahu and his political allies are convinced that at least momentarily they will do better without the United States. They realise that the days of the ' Jewish-only state ’ are numbered unless some radical moves are put into action ~ and they are apparently blinded to the consequences of world opinion. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25095.htm

    However, it is bullyboy Bibi Netanyahu who needs to be brought up short but it won't be by President Obama and his Isaeli minder, Rahm Emanuel ~ but it could well be by world opinion and the determined leadership of Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

    Erdogan is gaining worldwide popularity as a charismatic Muslim leader and he has called for the categorical punishment of the Israeli leaders responsible for the disastrous Freedom Flotilla raid and is now backing the global efforts to end the 3-year-long siege of the Gaza strip.

    Columnist Bernard Weiner rightfully compares Netanyahu to George W Bush ~ " In a way, Netanyahu is Bush in a yarmulke. He is so uncomfortable dealing with the complexities of real-life situations that he quickly resorts to his default black-and-white solution: military violence. Which, as was the case with Bush, makes him a reckless, dangerous leader, one with tunnel vision focusing mostly on short-term gain and to hell with history."

    But Norman Finklestein, who fully understands the myth of Israeli exceptionalism, captures the true Israeli dilemma of being a self-proclaimed Victim State ~ " The holocaust has proven to be an indispensable ideological weapon through its deployment ( by Israel ). One of the world's most formidable military powers, with an horrendous human rights record, has cast itself as a ' Victim State ' and the most successful ethnic group in the US has likewise acquired victim status. Considerable dividends accrue from this specious victim hood ~ in particular, Immunity to Criticism, however justified. "

    And therein lies the true Jewish Dilemma ~ and there it will fester until Israel takes full accountability for its actions as well as its place in a world of civil, responsible and cooperating nations. Israel pays a price for continually playing the victim card ~ and now it increasingly looks like that card is the Queen of Spades ( the Death card ).


    Allen L Roland
    http://allenlrolandsweblog.blogspot.com/2010/06/jewish-dilemma.html
     
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    The arrogant leaders of Israel (and their allies)will perish, but Israel will stand strong!
     
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    i wonder a lot of people talk of israel being the country which make other people suffer, trully is there any country or its people who know the real meaning of suffering other than israel and its people since the ancient times to the recently 40's mass killings of jewish people, perhaps people should also given it a thought to try to understand what israel and its people has gone through! it hass to be understood to them its a matter of existence rather than a mere political games!
     
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    Two wrongs don't make a right. Kama wao walisuffer wakati wa vita vya II vya Dunia, haiwapi haki ya kuwanyanyasa na kuwadhalilisha wengine. If you think that you are morally and ethically superior and the only democracy in the Middle East, then don't act like HAMAS.:embarrassed:
     
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    Yote kwa yote Israel will not perish as other think
     
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    [FONT=Verdana,Arial]A Zionist State of Mind, A Dreamscape Of Ghosts[/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana,Arial] By Phil Rockstroh[/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana,Arial]July 16, 2010

    Although my mother fled Nazi Germany, as a child, on a Kindertransport, with a few family valuables sown into her clothing, and I was brought up on the myths and hagiography of the Zionist state, I, over time, came to recognize the folly of the whole colonialist enterprise - the folly of ethnic exclusion and expulsion, the inherent tragedy of nationalism based on the delusion of religious birthright. With much sorrow, I came to the sad realization that the dream of the State of Israel was based on European chauvinism and exceptionalism. This reckoning has been a difficult one for me to bear -- the hardest awakening of my adult life.

    My father was born on a Reservation in the American mid-west. His people, like the Palestinians, resisted invaders of European ancestry and were crushed. At present, both peoples remain exiled and caged in their native land.

    The Jewish side of myself understands the historical traumas that gave rise to the yearning for a tribal Homeland. Atavistically, I suffer the Jewish state's collective night terrors and reel in its daylight rationalizations for its brutalities. But the Native American in me knows the rage of those crushed by the heartless force of an invading people.

    Neither my father's peoples' bows and arrows nor the "threat" of metal rods, clutched by a few activists aboard the illegally seized Gaza-bound Peace Flotilla, nor Hamas' small rockets will change the tragic trajectory wrought by a tribalist land grab. History reveals a conquered and caged people will starve, in both body and soul, as they watch their hopes wither to dust. But I will not condemn them for their struggle, and even their "provocations" - dangerous and outrageous provocations ... such as the desire not to live out their lives behind ghetto walls, and the actions they take accordingly. (Even though, a provocation will never soften the banal mind of a bully to end his reign of brutality.)

    To this day, within me, there are traits of cultural Judaism that have not been washed away in the deluge of shame I experience when confronted by the actions of the state of Israel and the casuistry of her apologists. Deep in my genetic structure, I carry tribal memories of Diaspora and its concomitant feelings of alienation from majoritarian culture. Most often, I still apprehend human existence from the perspective of an alien and interloper, believing my survival is dependent upon knowing where I stand in hostile terrain. By rote, I play the role of the outsider, wary and savvy in my dealings with a hostile gentile world.

    In this, I understand the paranoid nature of the Jewish state and the reasons underlying her supporters' rationalizations of her many crimes. Self-deception is at the root of habitual deceit. Sadly, the true believers of the Zionist cause have become case studies in that tragic trait.

    The archetype of the eternal outsider and his involuntary wandering still resonates within me. In this manner, I feel kinship with my urban Ashkenazi/Sephardim ancestors ... those who knew a just society, structured on social justice and civil equity, was the Jewish minority's best hope for living in safety among a gentile majority -- not this narrative of grandiosity and exceptionalism one hears muttered by bearded boneheads (and other Bronze Age cultural throwbacks) at the Wailing Wall and posited on the editorial pages of the Jerusalem Post.

    By stealing those parcels of arid acreage in the Middle East, Zionists will match generations of hostile Goyim in the harm they level upon future Jewry: By having chosen mindless might over justice and fairness, they have bestowed a wasteland upon the human hearts of their descendants.

    Every human being is born, powerless and vulnerable, into a world they did not create. Ergo, for the awakening heart of the young, it can be a barren land, a dreamscape of ghosts, built by the bony hands of the dead ... their mouldering myths carrying the cold of the grave not the eros of the breathing moment. Ghosts such as these curse at the present with the imprecatory psalms implicit in the foundation of the Zionist state -- and, as the nation's history unfurled, became explicit in her policies. Israel's collective brutalities are the blind thrashings of traumatized souls who, in their agonies, wound all near them.

    Such forces of toxic, displaced vehemence can uncouple us from our humanity, warping libido into murderous intent, reducing meaningful endeavor to selfish striving, and twisting our exuberance into zealotry, thereby achieving a form of ass-backward alchemy by transforming living human beings into resentful shades -- those seemingly no longer here ... reacting rather than responding, reciting propaganda as opposed to seeking meaning, squandering the golden, eternal moment before us by transmuting it into leaden habituations of the mind. For all appearances becoming a ghost, haunting the moments of one's own life -- non-responsive, sans retrograde resentment, to the élan vital of the world -- dead, but for the redundancy of one's breathing.

    In this way, the spirit of a culture can become a mob of resentful, vicious ghosts. With ghosts, the context of their suffering is misplaced. They cannot haunt those who gave them injury. Their tormentors are long dead as well. The raging spirits of the Zionist state can no longer locate the historical oppressors of the Jewish people, for they have long since been conscripted to dust. Hence, the adherents of Zionism reap vengeance against those living souls who misfortune has placed near them.

    The Jewish state demands its neighbors make amends for crimes they did not commit -- to cower before the steel-toe might of its military and make perpetual penitence for the sins of Europe.

    Even if they did so: Such an act would not restore my mother's childhood ... would not return to flesh the ashen remains of the millions who made their graves in the winds of twentieth century Europe.

    For the Jewish people, as is the case with all humanity, survival in the present age is not dependent on military prowess nor the blessing of an imaginary father in the sky. Awakening to new realities restores meaning and resonance to our lives. Felicity to the putrid, Bronze Age admonitions of a savage sky spirit involving the ownership of desert real-estate only entombs the heart and mummifies the mind.

    Accordingly, the most putrefied and pernicious of these fallacies -- the delusion that there exists a "Chosen People" -- must be the first to be toppled.

    God's Chosen People? Chosen for what reason: First, divinely bestowed entitlement to a parcel of parched landscape, then exile, persecution, extermination? And now for what purpose: Simply to join the brutal ranks of history's bullies?


    When the ashes of the Holocaust cleared, this is the world my mother's tribe built: A right-wing state that believes its godly mission is to lord over and oppress a militarily weaker people. Moreover, if they resist -- starve them, murder them in their homes, drive them into exile. The Israelis seem to be demanding this of the Palestinian people: Why don't you simply accept your lot as being compliant lessors and stay confined to your ghettos?

    Furthermore, if you object, then leave -- go into exile -- wander the earth without a home. It would seem, over the course of the lives of the last few generations of Jewish believers, the ancient myth has morphed: The desert god has become more of an earthly ironist than wrathful sky-daddy.

    In fact, mirroring the ways of their invented father in heaven, some of my blood relatives have become such inadvertent ironists, as they, at this moment, squat in Palestine, bristling with misplaced rage, manic with delusional entitlement, and, on the whole, casting a curse upon future generations that will poison their hearts and cascade through the generations with a terrible symmetry.

    - Phil Rockstroh is a poet, lyricist and philosopher bard living in New York City.




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    This is the real vichekesho
     
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    Tunapojadili mtazamo wa KIZIONIST watu wengi hawafahamu na kujichanganya na hasa kutoelewa tofauti iliyopo kati ya m,tazamo huo wa KIZAYUNI na Israel. Kuelewa tofauti hizi ni muhimu sana kabla mtu hajaamua kuiunga mkono au kutoiunga mkono serikali ya Israel.

    ZION ni myahudi aliyeandika kitabu au ukipenda muongozo juu ya ujengaji wa Taifa la KiIsrael zaidi ya miaka 200 iliyopita. Katika muongozo wa ktabu hiki, ZION ameandika kila kitu toka mipaka ya Israel mpya mpaka maadili na moral itayotumika, Mji mkuu wa Israel mpaka wataoishi katika katika nchi hiyo. Kifupi hakuna alichoacha na ninaweza kukiita kitabu hicho kama KATIBA YA ISRAEL MPYA.

    Ukikisoma kitabu hicho kimejaa mtazamo wa kibaguzi, unyanyasaji wa makabila mengine, upendeleo wa wazi kwa WAYAHUDI. Kwa kusamarise naweza kukiita ni kitabu chenye idiolojia ya msimamo mkali sana ambao hauna nafasi katika dunia yetu ya leo. Na katika kitabu hicho imeandikwa kuwa WAYAHUDI NI WATEULE NA NI WATU BORA KULIKO WENGINE DUNIANI.

    Huwezi kuamini kuwa katika kitabu hiki Ramani mpya ya Israel inajumuisha Jordan yote, nusu ya Siria, Lebanon yote na 1/10 ya Misri. Hiki ni kitu ambacho hakitawezekana milele na ndicho ambacho baadhi ya Waisrael wenye msimamo mkali wanataka. Kwako inaweza kuwa sio ajenda kubwa lakini kuzitokomeza nchi kirahisi si jambo jepesi.

    Na tunapotamka Israel tunachukulia nchi kama Tanzania ambapo tafsiri kamili ya Mtanzania inapatikana kwenye URAI na sio kabila au Rangi ya mtu. Halikadhalika Waisrael wanaweza kuwa na asili ya Kiarabu, Kiafrika, kiingereza n.k. Idiolojia ya kuendesha nchi inategemea na idiolojia ya chama kitachoshinda uchaguzi. Mpaka sasa kuna vyama vikuu vinne, LIKUD (wenye mlengo mkali au wafuasi wa ZION), Leberal au labour( wenye mlengo wa kushoto), KADIMA (wenye mlengo wa kati) na SHAS (hawa ni ORTHODOX).

    Katika vyama hivyo vyote ni LIKUD(Sharon, Nitanyau) ndio kinachofuata idiolojia za KIZIONIST. KADIMA kilizaliwa baada ya Kiongozi wa LIKUD wa wakati huo Ariel Sharon kuelewa kuwa kufuata idiolojia za KIZIONIST hakutatatua mgogoro wa Israel-Palestina kwani ni too conservative. Kwa hiyo kuwepo kwa chama kingine chochote kile zaidi ya LIKUD kunaijenga Israel mpya itayokubaliwa na dunia nzima na kuachana na ndoto za kibaguzi za ZION.

    Hizi ndizo tofauti kubwa kati ya MAZION NA Israel. Rejea mwimbo wa BOb Marley "Zions train is coming in our way", naye hakupenda hizo idiolojia. Ukihitaji kuelewa zaidi basi kitafute hicho kitabu ukisome. Lakini ni vigumu sana kukipata pengine hata wenyewe wameona kuwa mtazamo wake umepitwa na wakati.

    Hata hivyo kwenu mnayeipigia debe Israel ni muhimu kwanza kuelewa serikali iliyopo inafuata mlengo gani? Kama ndio inafuata mlengo huu wa ZION, RAFIKI YANGU FIKIRIA MARA MBILI KWANI HATA WEWE UNABAGULIWA HUMO. Hii ni muhimu kuielewa hasa hapa JF NA NDIO MAANA NIMEONELEA NIILETA JUKWAANI. SHALOM!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Asante sana Zawadi Ngoda kwa ufafanuzi mzuri.
     
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    Zawadi Ngoda JF-Expert Member

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    Mawazo finyu na potofu yenye kuingiliwa na kutoelewa kiini cha mjadala. Hakuna anayeota kuwa nchi Israel itokomezwe au kizazi cha wayahudi kiangamizwe.

    Usijiingize katika mjadala kabla hujaelewa mada kuu. UNYANYASAJI....UNYANYASAJI......UNYANYASAJI ndio neno linalojitokeza kwa watoa hoja zote.

    Hizo propaganda za kukuza mambo ni zao waisrael ambao wanafanikiwa kuwadanganya wachache kama wewe.

    Maelezo yako ni sawa na yale ya makaburu wakati ule kuwa ukiwapa nchi watu weusi basi watawaua wazungu wote. Sasa leo ni miaka kadhaa wazungu wamefukuzwa au kuuawa huko. Acheni propaganda mfu.

    Unajua nikueleze kitu kimoja, Jumla ya Wayahudi duniani ni 50mil. Waishio Israel si zaidi ya 5 milioni. Wengine wote wanaishi katika mataifa mengine pamoja na wenyeji wa nchi hizo. Toka Afrika mpaka India, Urusi mpaka Iran, Mexiko mpaka Saudi Arabia mpaka China. Na huko wanaishi hali mustarehe. Isitoshe wanayoyafanya huko Palestina yanawaharibia mamilioni ya wayahudi waishio pahala pengine.
     
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