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Telex free kimenuka. Usidanganyike !!!!

Discussion in 'Biashara, Uchumi na Ujasiriamali' started by Senior Boss, Jan 13, 2014.

  1. Senior Boss

    Senior Boss JF-Expert Member

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    UH OH! Bad news for TelexFree! I've been warning people for the past 6 months, especially in Africa, that TelexFree was likely to get hit by regulators in the U.S. (SEC, FTC, Secret Service, Postal Authorities, State AG's, etc.) for being an ILLEGAL PYRAMID SCHEME. Anyone with any extensive knowledge of and experience in regulatory compliance, what constitutes a legitimate opportunity vs. an illegal pyramid scheme, and MLM/business opportunity law could see it coming from a mile away! First, their own home country, Brazil, shut them down in June of 2013 for being an ILLEGAL pyramid scheme, seized their assets, and have prohibited them from recruiting any new people in Brazil and paying commissions there. (They've now lost 14 appeals in court to have the original injunction against them lifted! 14! ) Now it appears that U.S. regulators have likely begun an investigation based on this statement from the regulator who shut them down in Brazil!

    Here's some background: Once the principals of TelexFree couldn't bring in any more money in Brazil, as well being fined for not having a VOIP license at the time, which means they weren't legally operating as a VOIP company, they fled to the U.S. and set up operations there (after all, if you have been shut down and can't bring in any new money in your home country, in order to keep the company afloat, you have to go somewhere, and what better place than the U.S, so they set up operations there, but that's not all. People in the U.S. started promoting the program to people in numerous countries around the world, even though TelexFree was not regulatorily compliant in any of those countries, which means they are ILLEGALLY operating in them, especially in Africa! (People seem to think that you can sell your product or service and/or recruit people, pay commissions, etc., in any country you want to, which is not the case!) In fact, it appears that either the company knowingly and/or its reps knowingly are attempting to bring people who were in the Brazilian operation as participants into the U.S. operation, including Brazilians, which I am sure the Brazilian authorities will see as nothing more than a way to circumvent the legal action in Brazil!

    TelexFree has so many red flags it should be at the front of a Russian parade! Based on the way their program is structured (for example, trying to pop people for around $1500 to up to $15,000, which is an obvious "front end load" and illegal) and how it being promoted by reps in the U.S. (using "no no" words like investment, guaranteed income, etc. when promoting the opportunity, which automatically puts you on the radar screen of the SEC as an ILLEGAL pyramid scheme!), regulators in the U.S. and numerous other countries are likely to consider it an ILLEGAL pyramid scheme as well! (They will likely hit them on similar charges and for similar reasons as they used to shut down Zeek Rewards recently.)

    In addition, just because you are selling a product or a service does NOT make the program legitimate and/or regulatorily compliant! In fact, the regulators may hit them on the fact that they have an overpriced product that is being used simply to give the program the appearance of legitimacy. After all, you can get VOIP that TelexFree is pushing for $50 a month through Skype and use it in more countries and it's only like $15 a month, and in some cases, you can find VOIP for FREE thru other sources!

    As far as the "get paid to advertise" concept, it's a good thing for TelexFree that its reps have little to no knowledge of the history of our industry. These types of programs have been done before on numerous occasions, and NONE of them have ever worked or lasted long term! In fact, the more well known ones were shut down for being ILLEGAL pyramid schemes! Do Ad Surf Daily, JSS Tripler, and Just Been Paid ring a bell?

    Furthermore, they are not legally operating in any country internationally, especially in African countries! Unfortunately, most people have little to no knowledge of and experience in the area of regulatory compliance, they don't know how to properly evaluate opportunities, and they don't know the difference between a legitimate direct selling/network marketing opportunity and an ILLEGAL pyramid scheme, and as a result, they end up joining programs that are nothing more than internet money games and illegal pyramid schemes, putting themselves at risk for being arrested, prosecuted, fined, and jailed! (Top earners in Zeek Rewards as well as corporate officers were arrested on criminal charges, fined, and some will be lucky to avoid jail time, so for those people stupid enough to still be promoting TelexFree, my advice would be don't go spending any of the the money you're earning!)

    The above is also problematic for the police and regulators, especially in Africa. One reason illegal pyramid schemes are able to last as long as they do is that the authorities don't have extensive knowledge and experience when it comes to knowing the difference between a legitimate opportunity and an illegal pyramid scheme, not to mention they may not have extensive laws in place regarding business opportunities, direct selling, etc. like they do in the U.S., plus they lack the manpower and resources to be able to keep up with all the scams and schemes that are out there today. (This is one reason why so many scams come to Africa! They know they can not only fool the people, but the authorities as well! for quite a while and rake in that much more money before it either slows down and collapses, or the authorities finally take action.)

    Finally, just because the company pays people or that people have earned money does NOT make the program regulatorily compliant and legal! I can't tell you how many times I've heard people use this as a defense to justify the company's existence as well as their involvement in it. How do they think ponzi schemes, illegal pyramid schemes, and money games are able to survive in the first place? How do they think they become bigger?

    One final note-I'm amazed at the number of people with little to no network marketing experience and no knowledge and experience in the area of regulatory compliance and MLM law want to argue with those of us who have extensive knowledge in these areas and over 30 years of industry experience! You would think that people would listen to such individuals, but instead they want to argue! Amazing, but true. You try to educate them and warn them in the hopes they make a smart decision and to help put them on the road to success, and instead of thanking you for the knowledge, information, and help, they want to argue with you and then tell you to "mind your own business," "let us make our own mistakes," etc. Such people remind me of the adage, "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink." They apparently haven't learned that it's far cheaper to learn from the mistakes of others than to make your own! We call such people "fools."

    Moral of the story: Don't be a fool, which leads me to another well known adage: "A fool and his money are soon parted !" Personally, I don't and won't feel sorry for anyone who does lose money if and when the U.S. authorities hit TelexFree. It's not like you couldn't have done some proper due diligence in the first place! A simple Google search, doing some research and reading, and then applying some common sense should have set off warning bells! If one chooses to ignore all that, they deserve what happens to them! Unfortunately, in this case, it could mean being arrested, fined, and jailed if the regulators determine the program to be an ILLEGAL pyramid scheme, and you were a participant, especially a top earning participant !! Telexfree Under Investigation In The USA - SEC Involved?
     
  2. Kozo Okamoto

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    nimeona brochure zao na hata business card nikapewa but akili ikafanya kazi,tupa kule
     
  3. King'asti

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    They say if it is too good to be true, then most probably it aint true.
     
  4. Senior Boss

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    The fact they pay people does NOT make the program regulatorily compliant or legal !! Ponzi schemes pay people like clockwork all the time. How do you think Bernard Madoff was able to perpetuate his $50 billion pyramid scheme for so long? Second, if you had any knowledge in the area of regulatory compliance, what makes a program a legitimate opportunity and what constitutes an illegal pyramid scheme, as well as MLM/direct selling/business opportunity law, you would never have joined the program in the first place! People want the program shut down because it's an ILLEGAL pyramid scheme for a number of reasons that are obvious to those of us with extensive knowledge and experience in the areas of regulatory compliance, network marketing, etc. It's programs like TelexFree that give the Network Marketing industry a bad name! Personally, I hope they throw the book at the principals and the top earners just like they did in the case of Zeek Rewards. Seriously, popping people for $1500 to $15,000 for an overvalued VOIP service that you can get for considerably less or even FREE from other sources and an advertising concept that has NEVER worked, despite having been done before, makes TelexFree nothing more than an online money game, an illegal pyramid scheme disguised to appear as a legitimate network marketing opportunity! There are a number of us who are REAL professionals and experts in this industry who have spent the last 30 years or more trying to improve the image of our industry-and programs like Ad Surf Daily, Just Been Paid, JSS Tripler, TelexFree, Rocket Cash Cycler, and the myriad of other money games and illegal pyramid schemes that are out there don't help the cause! So, now you don't have to wonder anymore why some people want TelexFree and these other deals shut down! At the very least, if they don't get shut down in the U.S., they're going to be forced to make major changes in their program by the regulators, provided the regulators even give them that option !!
     
  5. Sangarara

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    Hello

    You are putting these posts on a forum most visited by Tanzanians most of whom are in Tanzania, thus, they do not have any idea of what, both the company and its practice, are all about.

    Kindly give details of scheme the least.
     
  6. Senior Boss

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    Google Telex Free !!!
     
  7. bluetooth

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  8. Sangarara

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    I know how to google, but you could be of great help to us and the thread you have initiated by making it clear right here.
     
  9. Senior Boss

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    Everything is clear & well explained. Telex free is a scam which tends to operate as a legitimate network marketing opportunity while it isn't. What else is there to explain ?? Read & Understand the whole thread !!!
     
  10. Sangarara

    Sangarara JF-Expert Member

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    How is the network structured?
    what products are they marketing?
    how is that illlegal?
    your have related it to Ponzi, how exactly are they related?
     
  11. Sangarara

    Sangarara JF-Expert Member

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    I have read the whole thread, it is full of accusations, self appraise and a kind of anger I can not articulate properly.
     
  12. Senior Boss

    Senior Boss JF-Expert Member

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    We mbona mzembe sana kusoma.. waliosoma nilichoandika wamenielewa 100/100. Maswali yako ni yakijinga sana, ukicheck majibu yake yapo kwenye thread hapo juu na comments nlizotoa !!! Hebu Badilika mtanzania mwenzangu. Unatia aibu !! Nimeshindwa hata nianzie wap kukujibu. Issue is, scams like these give the Network Marketing Industry a bad name. Kilicho andikwa humo sio accusations wala self appraise.. its simply facts !!!
     
  13. Sangarara

    Sangarara JF-Expert Member

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    Kinachokufanya usiamini kama sijaelewa ni nini? kwa nini unafikiri mimi ndio natakiwa kubadilika na sio wewe? una ushahidi gani kwamba waliosoma wamekuelewa 100/100?

    Ujinga wa maswali yangu ni upi? Tanzania kuna business opportunity law? kuna sheria inayopinga ponzi scheme? Unaweza ukatueleza Deci walivunja sheria ipi?

    Kama umeshindwa kujibu maswali mepesi kama hayo unayoyaita ya kijinga na wasiwasi na weledi wako juu ya maswala uliyoyaandika.

    thread yenyewe hii tuko watu wawili sijui, unashindwa kujibu maswali unakimbilia kufoka, unafikiri itakusaidia kitu? Umeshindwa pa kujua kunijibu sababu huna majibu. umenielewa sasa?
     
  14. Senior Boss

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    Haya bana mjuaji ww...tupe fact zako tuone na ww uelewa wako uko vp !!
     
  15. Sangarara

    Sangarara JF-Expert Member

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    Nikupe facts zipi, umeanzisha thread, umejiita mtalaamu mwenye uzoefu wa zaidi ya miaka 30, mimi mjinga nimekuuliza maswali umeshindwa hata kueleza namna ambavyo maswali yangu hayahusiani na thread, unakimbilia kuropoka hovyo oohh maswali ya kijinga na kashfa za ajabu ajabu.

    Ulichokifanya ni kiashiria kwamba hauna uelewa juu ya mambo hayo hayo unayoona hata authorities zooote za africa hazina.

    huo ni utoto tu, ndio jina zuri nalokupatia kwa leo. Najuta hata kuja kupost kitu hapa, I thought I have encountered a gentleman all to find am confronting a daft.

    Cheers.
     
  16. Tate Usoto

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    kumbe mnaweza kiswahili,nilidhani wazungu wanabishana.
     
  17. Senior Boss

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    Seems we mipasho jadi yako cz its like huna sera !! Hujaongea lolote la maana. We sema ushajijua umeingia mkenge na telexfree na vihela vyako vya mawazo hvyo. Unalia lia hapa. There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. Unfortunately most people are stupid !!!

    Sasa mkuu
    1.
    Ulitaka nikujibu nn wakat majibu ya maswali yako, yako kwenye thread na comments zangu. Ulitaka nikujibu nn hasa zaidi ya kukuambia acha uzembe wa kusoma kabla ya ku comment ???

    2.
    Mimi nimetoa mawazo yangu kwa jamii kuhusu huu mtandao istoshe nimeweka na a reputable source of information kuhusu matatizo ya hawa watu wa telexfree wanayoyapata huko headquaters zao from www.businessforhome.org which is one of the best and trusted sites to provide information on Network Marketing facts, figures, news and industry updates. Yote hii ni kuweka awareness kwa watanzania wenzangu ili wasiingie kwenye matatizo. Kama na ww una mtazamo tofauti si uchangie mada ?? Instead ur taking things personal na kuuliza maswali ya kijinga.

    3.
    Kuhusu 30 years experience on the industry. Sio mm peke yangu. Nina marafiki zangu wa karibu ambao ni ma expert kwenye hii system and industry wanao tengeneza pesa ndefu. Hela ambayo ww utabaki kuiota maisha yako yote. Wame share na mm vitu vingi, so na mm nikaambatanisha mawazo yao na yangu nikaleta ujumbe hapa.

    Anyway nimeshazoea watu wa type yako !! Sishangai wala Sishtuki !!!
    #APOLOGY ACCEPTED & I QUIT ARGUING WITH YOU.
     
  18. N

    Nyumbalao Senior Member

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    Hii ni Scam ya nguvu na imeanza na wakubwa hapa nchini kwahiyo ni ngumu sababu za msingi ni kwasababu ya guarantee income wanayoinadi sasa inavutia watu na ni kweli watu wanatengeneza hela lakini kwa garama ya watu wengi watakaoumia hapo ndipo inapofanana na DECI juwa ya kwamba hata DECI wale waliokuwa juu walitengeneza fedha kweli kweli na hapa ni mfano wake. Bidhaa zao ni Voip ( Ambazo sasa unaweza kupata free kama skype, viber na tango plus whatup) kwahiyo kulipa $50 kwa mwezi haina hilo soko, pili ni advertisment ambayo unatakiwa kupost kila siku na malipo guarantee ni 20, 100 au 1400 kutokana na hela iliyoingilia ambayo ni $ 400, $1500 au $16,000 hapa ndipo kwenye questionable practices ambapo hapo ingawa unapewa guarantee hiyo lakini ukweli pesa inatoka kwa watu wanaoingia chini yako maana advertsment hailipi kiivyo kama wanavyotaka uamini maana hata kama tangazo halijanunuliwa wewe utapewa hiyo minimum guarantee income ya hapo juu na likinunuliwa utapewa $44 sasa swali kama halijanunuliwa wewe unapewa hiyo $20 ambayo inatoka kiukweli kwa watu wanaongia chini yako ambao hiyo ndio inaleta kuwa ponziau pyramid scheme kwasababu siku utakapokosa watu wapya wa kulipa ndio mwisho wa mchezo na watu wengi wataumia. Na kitu cha hekima zaidi huko ulipoanzishwa umefungiwa (Brazil) na watu millioni moja na ushee wanalia na kampuni imekata rufaa mara kumi na nne bila mafanikio unaweza kupiga hesabu za haraka haraka ukaona watu milioni hata kama wameingia na $ 400 ilikuwa na cash yakutosha kumbana lakini imeshindwa, swali na msingi wa kumuuliza promoter wako kama ofisi kuu uliyosajiliwa imefungiwa kazi hii hela unayotoa inaenda wapi na nchi gani? na vile vile swali hii ukiwauliza ndio wanakuwa wakali zaidi kwanini bado halijasaliwa Tanzania? jibu lao ni hili mbona makampuni mengi yalianzishwa Tanzania na yakaaa sana bila usajili ndio yakaya kusajiliwa baadaye. Mwisho inayoweka red flag ya nguvu baada ya kufanya kazi hiyo mkataba unaingia nao ni wa mwaka mmoja halafu baada ya hapo kama unataka kuendelea unatakiwa kulipa 20% ya income uliyotengeneza mwaka mzima na hapa kwa kuwa utakuwa umetengeneza hela basi hii utairudisha kwao wataendelea kukuonyesha kuwa unatengeneza ile guarantee income kumbe ni against your own money na unaendelea kuwaeleza ndugu zako na kuwaba udhibitisho wa hela unazoingiza na wanaendelea kuingia wengi katika design hii ndio smart kidonge kwa sababu ukiwa umetengeneza $ millioni unaacha dollar laki mbili inaimarisha mfumo wao wa kula hela zaidi na kuongeza watu.
    Nafiriki hii inatoksha
    Naomba kuwasiliasha
     
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    AmaniGK JF-Expert Member

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    Mkuu sio kazi yake kujibu hayo maswali. Nenda kwenye web uliyotajiwa hapo juu.
     
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    Senior boss ,Hapo kwenye red umetumia maneno makali sana,japo muuliza swali sangarara anahoji vitu visivyo na msingi kwenye hoja uliyoleta yenye kuelimisha na kuhadhari watu juu ya kinacho endelea na hizo Upatu.Nawasifu kwa lugha ya wenzetu,lakini ujumbe umeeleweka.
     
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