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Tanzania refuses to sign -then signs-proposal for EAC political federation

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    Bantugbro JF-Expert Member

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    TANZANIAN ministers and their technocrats who have been meeting here ahead of Wednesday's summit of Heads of State declined to sign an agreement for the establishment of the East African Community Political Federation after some last minute hitch.

    Four ministers from Uganda, Kenya, Burundi and Rwanda signed the document but Tanzania's seat remained empty at the Hotel Source de Nil, here.

    According to reports, Tanzania's decision was made after issues of land and security re-emerged in the new report expected to be presented to Heads of State for adoption. The document is titled Report of the Team of Experts on Addressing the Fears, Concerns and Challenges of the East African Community (EAC).

    Some of the fears and challenges highlighted in the document include loss of land disparities in land tenure system, effects of political federation on existing national foreign and defence policies and lack of clarity on the model of the Federation.

    According to a highly placed source in the Ministry of East African Co-operation, Tanzania refused to sign the document because some of the concerns that she aired during negotiations were not included in the final document.

    While the other countries signed the agreement at around noon, Tanzanian delegates remained at the Lake Tanganyika Hotel to plan their next move. They met under Minister for East African Co-operation Mr Samuel Sitta from morning to around 1:30 pm.

    The delegation which, however, refused to talk to the media included Deputy Ministers for Energy and Minerals Adam Malima, Industry and Trade Lazaro Nyalandu, Majaliwa (education) and Permanent Secretary, Ministry of East African Community, Ms Stargomena Tax, among others.

    On Saturday evening, Mr Nyalandu reiterated Tanzania's position of not allowing land to be a matter of integration and maintained that the country was firm and would not be cowed by anyone. He said some member countries were attempting to revive previous discussions on land, while it had been agreed that the issue would not be part of the EAC.

    Ms Tax said Tanzania would remain focused on various issues related to EAC affairs including its interest on moving the integration process step-by-step, before getting into the envisaged political federation.

    "We would like to see the already signed protocols benefiting our people before rushing into other stages. Where are we rushing for?" she asked. When approached for comment, the Chairperson of Council of Ministers, Ms Afsa Mosi from Burundi, said Tanzania had delayed the signing, but could probably do so later.


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    Daily News | Dar refuses to sign proposal for EAC political federation


    Issues of Land and Security should never be entertained in this...
     
  2. aminiusiamini

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    Tanzania dnt need such non sense.Rwanda its population is in exponential rise,uganda ndo hivyo kenya ni walewale.tanzania inahitaji kuwa secured.we need to learn from.euro failures and ask ourselvwa if.its envitable
     
  3. Tutafika

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    Go, go, gooo! Tanzania, thumb up for this decision. Why rushing? No public awareness on political federation has been made so far (even to the rest EAC members), now why speeding up?
     
  4. Smatta

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    Tanzania is a joke, I don't see why the rest of these countries keep having a business as usual attitude with Tz and its pretty obvious it wants out or its unsure of its position in the EAC.. we cant allow Tanzania to keep holding the rest of us hostage while it keeps dillydallying with an important issue like the East Africa community, am sure UG and Rwanda are tired of Tanzania's charade, Kenya wants Tanzania to stick around coz it has alot to lose if Tanzania walks out.. Personally I think its about time we let Tanzania go, they are better of in SADC.
     
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    Suala la ardhi ni suala tete na kamwe halitaji kuchezewa. Kuanzia sasa nadhani mikataba yote ya jumuia iwe inaandikwa kwa lugha ya kiswahili hasa ile itakayosainiwa na viongozi wa serikali ya Tanzania. Umma wa Watanzania watakaotaka kuelewa kilicho andikwa waelewe, tusije tukafungiwa mbuzi kwenye gunia. Wataalam wawili wa lugha ya kiswahili wawemo kwenye itifaki ya Tanzania inayotuwakilisha kwenye jumuiaya ili wawezwe kutoa tafsiri sahihi kwa kila kitakachokuwa kimeamuriwa na kiandikwe vizuri ilikuweka kumbukumbu ya siku za usoni.

    Wenzetu wote katika jumuia hawana ardhi ya kutosha na kwa bahati mbaya kuna nyakati wanadhani tuna ziada. Baya zaidi kuna wakati wanatumia ujaja katika kukidhi matakwa yao zaidi ya matakwa yetu. Kuna hisia kuwa Watanzania hatuelewi kinachoendelea!

    Tusiwape nafasi na kwa maoni haya nawapongeza kwa dhati wawakilishi wetu.
     
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    Safi sana Kikwete na Sita kwanza hilo shirikisho litatupeleka pabaya angalieni huko Ulaya mambo yanayotokea,pia naomba viongozi wafikirie suala la sarafu moja ,tusikubali kuwa na sarafu moja ,mabepari wakikuyu wa Kenya watatuletea mataizo hao ni Mafia Mob,chondechonde tusikubali huo upuuzi Wakenya ni kama wahindi ukiwa nacho wanakubembeleza na kujifanya wanakupenda ,mambo yakienda kombo ndio kwa heri,ukiona Kenya,Rwanda,Uganda wanaharakisha jua kuna kitu.Kwanza hili suala sisi wananchi hatukushirikishwa ,je katiba inasemaje kwa hili la jumuia ,je hakuna wanasheria .Kwa hili nitaenda mahakamani kupinga ,itabidi nimutafute MWANASHERIA MAHIRI HAPA NCHINI MCH.MTIKILA
     
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    i think you guys can do it with out TZN ... Tatizo nini..?!



     
  8. Mimibaba

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    Hizo ni sizitaki. No body wants you in your so called EAC. Wanaowataka ni wanasiasa ambao ni wapuuzi tu. As for EAC it can go to hell because it is not peoples initiated. I want to assure you that even if our viongozi wapuuzi wangekubali wangekutana na joto ya jiwe in future. Congratulations for showing your true selfish colours.
     
  9. The Quonquerer

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    That is what i expected. Ningeshangaa kama ingekuwa kinyume na hivyo!
     
  10. Ngongo

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    Bandugu,

    Kwa mara ya kwanza viongozi wetu wamefanya kile wananchi wa kawaida wanachotaka.Ukiunganisha nchi zote kenya,Uganda,burundi na Rwanda hazifikii ukubwa wa Tanzania.

    [1] Kenya yenye ukubwa wa 582,646 Sq Km na Idadi ya watu 41 milioni

    [2] Uganda yenye ukubwa wa 241,083 sq km na idadi ya watu 34 milioni

    [3] Rwanda yenye ukubwa wa 26,338 Sq km na Idadi ya watu 11 milioni

    [4] Burundi yenye ukubwa wa 27,818 Sq km na idadi ya watu 9 milioni

    [5] Tanzania yenye ukubwa wa 945,087 Sq km na Idadi ya watu 44 milioni.

    Ukitazama ukubwa wa eneo sq km wa nchi za Kenya,Rwanda,Uganda na Burundi ni 877,883 Sq km na Idadi ya watu ni 95 milioni.
    Tanzania yenye jumla ya watu milioni 44 na eneo lenye ukubwa wa Sq km 945,087 kukubali kusiani mikataba ambayo haina maslahi kwa wananchi wake ni ujuha mkubwa ambao hautavumilika.Nchi ya Rwanda tayari ina msongamano mkubwa wa watu ukienda Kenya ndiyo balaa ardhi yake kubwa ni jangwa,Uganda hali ni hiyo hiyo.Tushirikiane lakini tusilazimishane au kutumia ujanja ujanja na hila kwa kisingizio Tanzania haitaki EAC hivi leo Uganda watakuli mafuta yaingizwe EAC Zanzibar inatutoa jasho,mwaka jana tulishuhhudia kisiwa cha Migingo kilivyowapelekesha waganda na wakenya.
     
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    From FARAJA MGWABATI, Bujumbura, 27th November 2011 @ 18:36,

    TANZANIAN ministers and their technocrats who have been meeting here ahead of Wednesday's summit of Heads of State declined to sign an agreement for the establishment of the East African Community Political Federation after some last minute hitch.

    Four ministers from Uganda, Kenya, Burundi and Rwanda signed the document but Tanzania's seat remained empty at the Hotel Source de Nil, here.

    According to reports, Tanzania's decision was made after issues of land and security re-emerged in the new report expected to be presented to Heads of State for adoption. The document is titled Report of the Team of Experts on Addressing the Fears, Concerns and Challenges of the East African Community (EAC).

    Some of the fears and challenges highlighted in the document include loss of land disparities in land tenure system, effects of political federation on existing national foreign and defence policies and lack of clarity on the model of the Federation.

    According to a highly placed source in the Ministry of East African Co-operation, Tanzania refused to sign the document because some of the concerns that she aired during negotiations were not included in the final document.

    While the other countries signed the agreement at around noon, Tanzanian delegates remained at the Lake Tanganyika Hotel to plan their next move. They met under Minister for East African Co-operation Mr Samuel Sitta from morning to around 1:30 pm.

    The delegation which, however, refused to talk to the media included Deputy Ministers for Energy and Minerals Adam Malima, Industry and Trade Lazaro Nyalandu, Majaliwa (education) and Permanent Secretary, Ministry of East African Community, Ms Stargomena Tax, among others.

    On Saturday evening, Mr Nyalandu reiterated Tanzania's position of not allowing land to be a matter of integration and maintained that the country was firm and would not be cowed by anyone. He said some member countries were attempting to revive previous discussions on land, while it had been agreed that the issue would not be part of the EAC.

    Ms Tax said Tanzania would remain focused on various issues related to EAC affairs including its interest on moving the integration process step-by-step, before getting into the envisaged political federation.

    "We would like to see the already signed protocols benefiting our people before rushing into other stages. Where are we rushing for?" she asked. When approached for comment, the Chairperson of Council of Ministers, Ms Afsa Mosi from Burundi, said Tanzania had delayed the signing, but could probably do so later.
     
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    I'm Impressed with CCM lawmakers for refusing to associate Tanzanian Land into any EAC affairs

    Fantastic.... Everyone is after our beloved Land... we thank U J.K. Nyerere na Azimio la Arusha
     
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    This is just an attempt to clear themselves of irresponsibility after a series of explotative agreements reached by CCM's ministers over all these years they have been in charge. Who in their right mind will ever regard CCM as having honest leaders while the party itself is struggling hard to get rid of known corrupt partymen but all efforts have become bootless.
     
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    They are Crazy for our lands and jobs...
     
  15. TzPride

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    Good job Mr. Sitta, well done everybody involved on behalf of Tznians.
    Vitu kama hivi huleta heshima kwa nchi.
     
  16. Biera

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    I hate East African Community..viva Tz..
     
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    Hee, Kumbe serikali inaweza kufanya mambo mengine kwa busara? maana watu mtaani kuna perceive vibaya kuona kuwa nchi hii itauzwa tu kwa bei ya dengu. Thank God kumbe kuna watu wanafikiria vema bado.:juggle:
     
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    Tanzania is always full of drama whenever EAC matters are put on the table! ever afraid of progress and success!!...stop behaving like adolescent kids!!.....you are protecting land that you cannot even utilize!!....its time for you to pack and GO!! y are you afraid of leaving this EAC thing anyway! if you do not need it y stick to it!! you withdrew from COMESA in favour of SADC ..the result! South Africans are controlling your economy....everything you consume is south african!! i pity you.
    Museveni once said that" its time for us (Kenya,Uganda,Rwanda and Burundi) to start planning without Tanzania" i now agree with him.
     
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    U have a right to do so......please leave us..we can do without you and spare us of your silly games.
     
  20. Biera

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    yah its better if u start 2 plan without tz(us),bcoz we all knw dat we need 2 protect our land.
     
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