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Tanzania elbows Kenya to become darling of US

Discussion in 'Kenyan News and Politics' started by LeoKweli, May 24, 2009.

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    LeoKweli JF-Expert Member

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    MURITHI MUTIGA Posted Saturday, May 23 2009 at 15:54 sundays nation
    In Summary
    • As Kikwete claims the honour of being the first African head of state to visit White House, the growing estrangement between America and Kibaki’s regime is likely to pile further pressure on the troubled Grand Coalition Government.

    Tanzania President Jakaya Kikwete this week claimed the honour of being the first African head of state to visit President Obama’s White House, in a move that will further highlight Kenya’s diminished status on the international scene.

    The visit came on the back of a public snub by President Obama, who has opted to make Ghana the destination of his first visit to Sub-Saharan Africa.

    The growing estrangement between the US and Kenya is likely to pile further pressure on the troubled Grand Coalition Government.

    A statement from the White House Press office following Mr Obama’s meeting with Mr Kiwete read: “The President [Obama] and President Kikwete met and had a valuable discussion on a range of issues. President Obama expressed his appreciation for the close bilateral relationship the United States shares with Tanzania”.

    Exchanged views

    Presidents Kikwete and Obama exchanged views on approaches to enhancing the US-Tanzanian partnership, improving development policy in the fields of health, education and agriculture, and working with other partners in the region to solve some of the most pressing conflicts on the African continent.

    They expressed a desire to work together to solve common problems in the future.

    This was the first African head of state to visit President Obama at the White House.

    According to a veteran diplomat, Mr Bethwell Kiplagat, Mr Obama’s decision not to visit Kenya should serve as a warning to the Grand Coalition to get its act together.

    “If I was planning to visit someone’s house and I realised that they are not getting on well, I would think twice about going ahead with the visit,” he says.

    Mr Kiplagat says the calculation from the White House was that President Obama might have been embarrassed on visiting Kenya at a time when the discord between coalition partners Orange Democratic Movement and Party of National Unity has made the coalition erratic and unpredictable.

    “I am sure they (Americans) are sending a message on the need for unity. It is clear that when you are wrangling, quarrelling and contradicting each other as a government, your effectiveness is markedly reduced,” he says.

    The frosty relations between Kenya and a number of its key Western allies represents a sharp turnaround for a nation described by the US pointman to the continent Johnnie Carson as the “keystone” country in the region.

    In 2003, when President Kibaki led the National Rainbow Coalition (Narc) in ending Kanu’s 40 years in power, Kenya was regarded as the toast of the continent.

    The peaceful nature of the transition and the overwhelming mandate secured by Narc won the government admiration from around the world and instantly seemed to have repaired the strained relations between Kenya and the West.

    President Kibaki and First Lady Lucy Kibaki were treated to a White House state banquet, a rare honour for an African leader.

    Former US President Bill Clinton, when asked which world leader he admired most in a television interview in early 2003, named President Kibaki for his introduction of free primary education.

    The good times did not last. Allegations of corruption in the new administration, particularly the Anglo Leasing scandal, made Western donors wary of dealing with the government.

    The outbreak of violence following the disputed presidential election in 2007 also dealt a blow to Kenya’s reputation as a stable and peaceful democracy.

    Following the violence, the US ambassador to Kenya Michael Ranneberger, has been a relentless advocate for implementation of reforms under what is known as Agenda 4 of the Accord mediated by Kofi Annan.

    These include changes to land laws, and institutional reform of the police and judiciary besides tackling mass youth unemployment.

    The accord also led to the formation of a commission headed by Mr Justice Phillip Waki, which called for the establishment of a tribunal to try the masterminds of the post-election violence. Parliament is yet to agree on setting up such a tribunal.

    Mr Ranneberger’s voluble demands for reform have rubbed some MPs the wrong way with a number criticising him last week.

    According to Mr Kiplagat, the coalition deserves credit for implementing some reforms. He pointed to the appointment of an Interim Independent Electoral Commission and establishment of a boundary review commission.

    He also said the publication of a bill to establish a Truth, Justice and Reconciliation Commission was a positive step. But he said the administration must move faster.

    “It is essential that these commissions move with speed to carry out their mandate. Line ministries must also ensure the commissions are well funded. In the end, though, the image the government projects will depend on its ability to speak with one voice,” said Mr Kiplagat, a former permanent Secretary in the ministry of Foreign Affairs.
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    Jasusi JF-Expert Member

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    The truth of the matter is that President Obama is deeply disapointed by Kenyan leadership. By that I mean President Kibaki and Prime Minister Raila Odinga. Actually, while President Kikwete was meeting with Obama, Raila was in Washington DC waiting for an answer to his request to meet with Obama. Obama refused. The reason is he does not approve the current situation in Kenya, where there is more wrangling than ruling and he blames Kibaki and Raila for the situation. So his going to Ghana, which had a recent democratic elections and the opposition won and was allowed to take power,and his meeting with Kikwete, whose country has been through 4 leadership changes, is sending a strong message to Kenya and to Africa on democracy and responsibility.
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    Sera za marekani za msingi huwa hazibadikliki whether watawla ni Republicans or Democrats; ni Capitalism kwa kwenda mbele na kuwa interests za U.S.A. must be protected kwa gharama yeyote ile! Mara unapoona wamarekani wanamsifia kiongozi wa nchi nyingine ujue kiongozi huyo ni ***** na ni PUPPET wao!!
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    ZeMarcopolo JF-Expert Member

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    sasa hapa wakenya nao wanaonyesha kiwango cha chini kwa kudhani kuwa kitendo cha Obama kumualika Kikwete na kwenda Ghana ni kama adhabu kwa Kenya! Je, ni adhabu kwa Uganda, Msumbiji, Namibia na mataifa mengine? Kwa nini wakenya wanadhani kuwa wana haki ya kupata special previlege toka kwa Obama?
    Huu ni udhaifu mkubwa wa wakenya!
    Kila siku wanapata ujumbe toka kwa wakenya(wananchi wao) kuwa things are not OK, mpaka akinamama wakaanzisha protest kwa waume zao. Sasa kama hiyo haitoshi mpaka wapate ujumbe toka kwa Obama, then i dont think kuna viongozi hapo!
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    kenyans should never worry,if it had been Britain taking sides then they would have been grounds for concern.America at most apart for its one or two naval bases does not get sleepless nights for what is happening in east africa
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    Kenya leaders are immersed in self-indulgent power struggles that have no meaning. They are thinking about their own power and wealth as opposed to that of the nation. Some would argue that they are power hungry, I say they are not because if they really where they would increase the economic power of their country and thus increase their own power over the region and give Kenyans more financial control over the rest of EA, especially DRC and use that to negotiate trade and other agreements with western and Asian powers. That would be the vision of a leader who knows how to amass power.. (and this is to be done while they all think you are their darling and once ur there.. u tell them how it is).

    However, those are my own plans for global domination from the Afro seat..lol just kidding. The problem with Kikwete is that he doesnt seem to appreciate one thing, that Kenya has a strategic advantage in terms of its economy. They have no minerals, not as many water ways, possibly less tourism prospects than us but yet they do better! Why is this so?

    The reason is the colonial set-up, the English did not plan to leave Kenya, and they used it as a platform for for boosting the British economy by getting materials from Uganda and Tanzania and using them for their Kenyan exploits. And of course we served as markets too dont forget, infact exclusive markets. Waingereza mbwa sana! excuse me.

    So Tanzania needs to reasses how we can boost our education, health and most importantly our agro economy. The reason for this is that we need to build a stronger nation. At the moment we have a very weakly equipped military, we have zero health care, the majority of our graduates are incapable of competing in a globalized world for lack of skills and poor international languages skills. We need to address these problems and of course the big one: Agriculture... That is the thing that can change it all. What is funny of course is that I dont see how we are doing enough in that. Matatizo ya Tanzania ni wide spread and even if you got rid of all the corruption and embezzelment you are still left with a mountain of problems, labda tuu huo mlima hautokuwa snow capped lakini ni mbaya sana.

    Being the darling of the US is useless to us. Great nations see themselves as civilizations and the ultimate goal is to survive. We dont see things that way, we see it in the form of nations and 'the international community' and follow like goats not thinking about whose agenda we are implementing and for what purpose. We need to make ourselves stronger because the future is uncertain as we will be fighting for resources in 100 years. How will Tanzania survive with no economy, no military, no nuclear power, not even a working HEP scheme besides being surrounded by more water than any other country on the continent. Is it just me or are we doomed in our own short-sightedness? I mean of course we have a vision 2025 but at the moment they might as well call it a vision for 2085 since we don't know how we are going to do that. We might as well just wait for aliens or Jesus or someone to help us. This is survival... what are we doing?
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    Kama kawaida yao, watani zetu wataanza fitna kwenye media yao!

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    Tanzania elbows Kenya to become darling of US

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    Nachukuwa fursa hii kumpongeza tena JMK kwa kazi nzuri anayoifanya na hili linathibitisha umahiri na heshima aliopewa kuwa Mkulu wa kwanza Afrika kukutana the most powerful Rais in the world.

    JMK Mwenyeezi Mungu akuzidishie kila lakheri katika juhudi zako za kweli za kuiendesha nchi ki-uadilifu, bila kutetereka na kutimiza wajibu wako bila mfano wala kipimo.

    Mahasidi zako (wengi wao wamo humu JF) wajinyonge kwa donge.
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    Zero input.
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    Duh!!!..ya leo kali.
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    Thanks a lot for noting that Daresalaam is full of pumbaf!! Why on earth should you praise the presida JMK aka Vasco da Gama for his matonya syle of governance ya kuwa omba omba! This is a shame on Tanzanians!

    There is no need for Kenyans to worry! I for sure don't support this childish tabia ya JMK kuwa mtalii akiomba omba while this country is damnly rich!

    Huwezi kuwa ombaomba and then you expect respect.Huo msaada is jut a peanut compared to what swahiba wa Kikwete Subash Patel can evade in terms of tax per year.

    If he could be serious and do some darasa la nne arithmetics he could collect billions by making minor tax reforms even alone with Yono or Majembe action mart through realistic property tax on the thousands of landed properties owned by the people in Dar es salaam alone who have looted GVT coffers and wafadhili money. Hayo majengo yalijengwa kwa clean money!! If so TRA collect your dues acha wizi wa ku uplift bei za magari pambaf!!! Your still in the old economy!! Hivi Hary Kitilya hastaafu au anamgawia Mkullo na JMK marejesho mazuri!!!

    Haiwezekani hawa stupid Munucipal official ku-kollect 10,000/ bob from a landed property per year while kodi ya nyumba for the same collected by the landlord is 500,000/= per month tax free! This is more than crazy!

    Huwezi ukalipa sleeping MP's 200,000/ bob per day as per diem huko DODOMA! And pay a teacher or a Hakimu Tshs.250,000/ per month halafu watu wote wasikucheke and start travelling like EMIRATES(air) Kwenda kila mahali kuomba omba that you are poor! Aibu kwake na familia yake!!

    Salma Kikwete is more creative and presidential material than this buddy. I like her well tailored speeches in Kiswahili hivi hajifunzi hata kwa mkewe!!

    Kuanzia leo nitaanza kuwita Kikwete Matonya!! The famous ombaomba who used to lie kichalichali on Samora Avenue mpaka Makamba akamtimua who it was said that he owned over 100 cattle in Dodoma but I refused to buy that crap!!

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    Pole kwa uchungu na nchi yako. Only if our pain could become fruitful! What is next au tuendelee kumuomba Mungu!
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    Duh watoto wa kambo wasihofu kutangulia si kufika.