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Tanzania earning 1.9 in mines!

Discussion in 'Great Thinkers' started by Rev. Kishoka, Nov 7, 2007.

  1. Rev. Kishoka

    Rev. Kishoka JF-Expert Member

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    Our annual revenues out of mining sector (Diamond, Gold, Tanzanite, etc) which contibutes to national GDPis 1.9%!

    This was declared recently to Taifa.

    So I wonder when Ashanti, Barrick, Tanganyika Royalty are posting double digits profit in International arena, we the People of tanzania just enjoy 1.9%?

    Does it make sense to you that with all the richness, mining sector contibutes so little to Mfukoa wa Taifa?

    What went wrong? what bothers me most is to find out that Norwegian are questioning tanzanians on an oil exploration deal where we have completely surrendered ownership of our natural resource and claim on 10%

    Is this the win win situation that JK has been telling us and now he has created Kamati ya madini that he is inviting Wapinzani na Wataalamu?

    Huku ni kudanganyana, why doesn't he extend that mandate to review all contracts through parliament? why Kamati maalum? Bunge has Kamatiz for very crap, why don't we give Bunge the powers and tools that are theirs per constitution?

    It is embarrasing and depressing 1.9% earningss!
     
  2. KadaMpinzani

    KadaMpinzani JF-Expert Member

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    mimi pia binafsi sipendi kusikia vitu vya kijinga jinga na kuongopeana, kama pesa za madini wanakula watuambie na sio kudanganya !

    ningeshauri wanajeshi wasimamie hiyo sekta kwa muda halafu uone ingekuwaje !
     
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    DAR si LAMU JF-Expert Member

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    ..kada,your point of view amaze me!

    ..meremeta imefikia wapi?au tulipoambiwa ilikuwa ya jeshi tuliongopewa!
     
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    Kama takwimu halisi ni hizi, basi hali inatisha!
    Tukimbilie wapi jamani wakati nchi ni yetu sote?
     
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    DAR si LAMU JF-Expert Member

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    ..kwasasa sina data,ila,kwani utalii unatuingizia per cent ngapi?

    ..halafu unajua,katika sekta zilizokuwa kwa kasi katika miaka ya karibuni,interms of fdi ni madini!ila naona haina faida kwetu!

    ..ukiniuliza bora yangechimbwa na artisans!wakina ngosha wangejengaga angalau vijumba vya bati vingi zaidi!
     
  6. KadaMpinzani

    KadaMpinzani JF-Expert Member

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    sasa tutafanya nini, na HAKUNA KITU KAMA MALI YA JESHI wakati kitu ni NATURE ! waliosema hivyo ni shuwaini kweli kweli !
     
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    DAR si LAMU JF-Expert Member

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    ..and still i cant stop being amazed!

    ..zamani nilielewa kuwa ni ya jeshi,at least the impression that was, by then!

    ..halafu,je wajua?jeshi lina kiwanda au packaging house ya dawa na wachina?iko pale taifa kwa pembeni!

    ..una ndugu wa karibu mwanajeshi?just wondering,really!
     
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    Ogah JF-Expert Member

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    Rev,

    Kuna wengine wamesema 1.9% it is ok......................labda pengine siijui nchi yangu vizuri........lakini hiyo figure mmhhh...............yaani kweli tumekubali kupata 1.9% toka ktk madini yetu!!!
     
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    DAR si LAMU JF-Expert Member

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    ..wanaosema ok yawezekana wanapata hiyo 0.9 na kutubakizia 1.0!
     
  10. Idimi

    Idimi JF-Expert Member

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    Uko sahihi mkuu, kuna wakati waziri wa madini wa awamu iliyopita alinukuliwa akisema kuwa akina Ngosha walikuwa wanalipa kodi kubwa kwa kiasi caha madini walichokuwa wanachimba ukilinganisha na hawa wenye mitambo ya kisasa. Sasa cha kujiuliza, pamoja na mitambo yote hii, pesa za masini zinaenda wapi?
     
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    Kishoka,
    Haya ndio niliyokuwa nikiyasema siku zote lakini wengi hawakutaka kuamini ama hawakutaka kutofautiana na viongozi wao (wasomi).
    Nakumbuka ktk kurushiana hoja na Mugongo Mugongo nilisema kuwa unaposikia madini yanachangia over 20 % ya GDP haina maana kabisa kuwa pato la Taifa limeongezeka kwa kiasi hicho hicho.
    Na hata ukija sikia kwamba uchumi wetu umepanda asilimia 7 haina maana pia kuwa mfuko wa Taifa umetanuka zaidi ila ni hesabu ya mauzo ya taifa zima sio Madini as such..
    Makampuni kama Barrick hucheza gombesugu ktk mahesabu yao wakionyesha, mathlan mauzo ya Usd billini 5 nasi tutaziweka hizo ktk hesabu ya Ukuaji wa uchumi wetu kutokana na mauzo hayo lakini hapo hapo ktk kuonyesha hesabu yao ktk matumizi mara nyingi hua ni zaidi ya pato kitu kama - billioni 6 kwa mwaka huo na kwamba wame invest zaidi ktk idara blaa blaaa blaaa i.e zana za uchimbaji, charity, usafiri (hasa kwa sababu barabara zetu mbovu) n.k hivyo mwsiho wa ngoma yote ni kuwa wameingia hasara na hawatalipa kodi. Lakini wakati huo huo lile ongezeko la mchango wa mauzo yao bado utaonyeshwa ktk ukuaji wa uchumi wetu, na tutasifiwa sana na WB ama IMF even though sisi hatukupata kitu bali ongezeko la herufi za mahesabu ya kuuza nje. At the same time hizi kampuni sio zetu, kwa hiyo kila kifaa kilichonunuliwa ni chao ama wamenunua toka nchi zao...afadhali kama hizi kampuni zingekuwa zetu ama zimesajiriwa nchini tungesema watafikiria ku invest zaidi humu ndani lakini reality ni kwamba nchi kama canada l;eo hii uchumi wake unazidi kupanda kishenzi na fedha yao inazidi kuwa strong kutokana na Ukoloni huu mamboleo. mauzo ya dhahabu yetu hupelekwa kwa kampuni yao mama ktk benki zao, stock exchange zao na in reality zinakuwa re- invested ktk miradi ya huko kwao. We are left with mashimo na hizo asilimia 1.9 kama mchango wao ktk mfuko wa Taifa.
    Just imagine yaani ktk kodi zote tunazokusanya madini inachangia 1.9 ya mfuko mzima huoni kama ni afadhali kutokuwa na hiyo 1.9, 'cause na elimu yangu mbuzi lakini - I don't believe 1.9 will make a big impact ktk maisha ya Mdanganyika alozoea Umaskini.

    Big coperates - Westerners are very good at this na kila siku tutatoka kapa unless tuwashike color za mashati na kufunga nao ubia. Better off kuwapa nafasi ya kuingia nchini kama kampuni ya uwekeshaji yenye makao yake ndani Tanzania.. -

    JK pleeeeeeeeeeeease, Put your money where you mouth is!
     
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    BroJay4 JF-Expert Member

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    Madini kuingiza 1.9% katika mfuko wa taifa,naona kama mzaha tu,kheri mara kumi wangewachia akina Masanja,Mwita na Mangi waendelee na uchimbaji mdogo,wangeweza kulipa kodi zaidi ya hiyo 1.9,kuliko kuachia hawa akina Brown,huu ujinga gani jamani,sasa akina Kingwendu wanadai hawajui kwa nini Tanzania ni maskini,.
     
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    Koba JF-Expert Member

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    ...acha unafiki wako hapa,kila siku unawatetea hao mafisadi na kutuita sisi waongo tunapiga kelele,endelea tuu na msimamo wako
     
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    Kada, is this you? Naona siku zote unawatetea hawa jamaa, sasa hivi naona kama umepiga u turn na kuanza kuona uchungu wa nchi yako. Nadhani hakuna siri kama nchi yetu ina utajiri wa madini, na wanaoufaidi ni hao ambao wewe huwa unawatetea sana, leo nashangaa imekuwaje unapiga u turn. Unashauri kuwa jeshi lipewe usimamizi, unakumbuka aliyofanya Mboma alipokuwa CDF, sasa hivi serikali ya Tanzania ukiangalia toka juu mpaka chini kabisa utaona nusu ni ya CCM na nusu ni ya jeshi. Kuna mawaziri, wakuu wa mikoa, wakuu wa wilaya na kwenye idara nyingi tu wapo wanajeshi, sasa sijui unachotaka kussugest ni nini! Lakini nimefurahi kuona leo umeonesha uchungu na nchi yako.
     
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    Kichwa cha mwendawazimu ndivyo kilivyo na hata baadhi ya vinyozi wanashangaa huyu mwendawazimu hana hata ndugu, jamaa au marafiki wakamsaidia ili vinyozi waache kuchezea kichwa chake!

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    "We were amazed the conditions are so generous. Nothing like that could happen in Norway. If a foreign company is lucky enough, it might get 10 per cent of revenue not the host country. I wonder how the host government in this case could have accepted such a poor production sharing agreement which is far from internationally-acceptable standards."

    ~Norwegian Erik Hagen when discussing about recently signed contract between Tanzania and his Norwegian Company StatoilHydro company.
     
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    A huge U-turn. Bravo Kada. Si kusimamia madini tu, bali waongoze nchi. Unaonaje?
     
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    ebu soma hayo maneno MEKUNDU NA YA KIJANI halafu ona unachoongea !
     
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    KadaMpinzani JF-Expert Member

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    hiyo babu kubwa bobu, ila kama itafanya kazi itakuwa mali zaidi !
     
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    yah, ni mimi ! na sio mimi tu niliyepiga u-turn hata mwenyekiti wa CHAMA CHA MAPINDUZI (CCM) kashauri hivyo ! am not going with his advise, but it just happened that we share the same idea and thats one great thing about CCM, ingia ndani utaona uhondo wa CCM, kaa nje usikie FITNA NA MAJUNGU tu !
     
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    KadaMpinzani JF-Expert Member

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    sawa mimi nakubali kuwa MNAFIKI kama mlivyonipachika uanachama wa CCM, na mkanijenga kuwa mwanaccm, na sasa unaniita MNAFIKI guess what ? i'll use that statement to benefit myself, wondering how koba ? wait you'll see.

    Najua unaniita mnafiki kwa sababu nakubaliana na hoja nyingi sana wanazotoa viongozi wetu, kitu ambacho wewe (pengine na wengine wengi) hupingana nazo, lakini cha ajabu ni kwamba, kwa tofauti zilizo katika upendaji wa hoja, umetokea kuniita MNAFIKI kwa sababu naamini hoja za viongozi wetu ni nzuri, na hapo hapo HUJAWAHI kunisikia nikikuita wewe MNAFIKI kwa sababu hukubaliani na hoja zao, which i simply understand !<<SASA SIJUI KAMA UNAJARIBU KUSEMA KWAMBA KILA ANAYEPINGANA NA WEWE NI MNAFIKI AU LA>> unaweza ukaona wanayofanya viongozi wetu hayatosaidia wananchi kwa sasa while i might see that it will help wananchi in the long run (in the future) so, either way, lets keep the debate going without calling each other names !
    Shukrani Bobu !
     
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