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Sweden rattled by Somali militants in its midst

Discussion in 'International Forum' started by MziziMkavu, Jan 27, 2010.

  1. MziziMkavu

    MziziMkavu JF-Expert Member

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    Some 20 men, many from Stockholm suburb, have joined al-Shabab

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    Abadirh Abdi Hussein, a 25-year-old hip hop artist, has become the best known Somali in Rinkeby, Sweden, because of his campaign to counter radical Islamic extremists. ​

    updated 2:30 p.m. ET Jan. 24, 2010

    STOCKHOLM - Ten subway stops from downtown Stockholm is "little Mogadishu," a drab suburb of the Swedish capital where radical Islamists are said to be recruiting the sons of Somali immigrants for jihad in the Horn of Africa.

    Police and residents say about 20 have joined al-Shabab, an al-Qaida-linked group waging a bloody insurgency against Somalia's government, and many of them came from the suburb of Rinkeby - the heart of Sweden's Somali community. According to SAPO, the Swedish state security police, five of them have been killed and 10 are still at large in Somalia.

    The issue has gained notice at a time of worsening fears of Islamic radicalism in the Scandinavian countries, home to more than 40,000 Somalis who have fled their war-ravaged homeland. These fears sharpened with the Jan. 1 attack by a Somali immigrant in Denmark on a cartoonist who caricatured the Prophet Muhammad.

    "It's a small group but they have power," said Abadirh Abdi Hussein, a 25-year-old hip-hop artist and "110-percent Muslim" who has become the best known Somali in Rinkeby because of his campaign to counter al-Shabab's influence. "People don't speak up against them. They don't dare."

    Al-Shabab, which wants to install strict Islam in Somalia, controls much of the desert nation's southern region and large parts of the capital. Intelligence officials say it is recruiting foreign fighters, including from the Somali diaspora in Europe and North America. U.S. authorities say as many as 20 recruits have left Minnesota.

    Group not on terror list

    In Sweden, police say they can do little to stop them leaving for Somalia unless they can prove that they are conspiring to commit terrorism. Unlike the U.S., Sweden has not put al-Shabab on any terrorism list.

    "Legally you can't prosecute anyone, neither the youth nor those who urged them to go," said Johnny Lindh, police superintendent in the precinct that includes Rinkeby.

    Lindh said police have been in touch with several devastated parents who said their sons secretly joined al-Shabab and traveled to Somalia without telling their families.

    A 24-year-old Rinkeby resident, who came to Sweden with his family in 1991, and who spoke to The Associated Press by telephone, said his uncle was with a group that left Rinkeby in mid-2008. According to the man, who spoke on condition of anonymity, fearing for his family's safety, the uncle said that he was traveling within Sweden and would only be gone a few weeks.

    Speaking in Swedish, the man said that he, too, was approached repeatedly by an al-Shabab recruiting agent, but turned him down.

    "He used to ask, like, 'Have you ever thought about the way things are in Somalia? Do you want to help?' You knew what he was getting at: jihad," he said.

    Youth center tied to recruiters

    The recruitment was linked to a youth center in Rinkeby that was financed with subsidies from the city, local authorities and residents said.

    Per Johansson, of the Stockholm Sports Administration, which gave the center half a million kronor ($70,000) over four years, said the funding was stopped in 2008 when city inspectors sensed there were radical undertones.

    They segregated the sexes and "They didn't let the girls be part of the activities in the same way as boys," Johansson said, adding that at the time there was no suspicion of any recruitment attempts.

    A former representative of the now defunct organization, who declined to give his name, said he would only talk if an AP reporter signed a contract specifying how to use the content of the interview, a condition that AP declined.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35046440/ns/world_news-africa/
     
  2. bona

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    these people need not to be helped, can you imagine they run away from their country to look for mercy in europe now they want to go back to fight using their host money, why didnt they stay since from the beginning?
    its time to learn these people dont need help, there are a lot of people of other nations who would be grateful to be granted assylum and not return to fight!
     
  3. October

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    Dont be suprised Brother,
    This is a typical demonic spirit operating in their lives, nothing more nothing less.

    How do you explain thier strongest desire for death, killing and fighting if not being driven by demonic power?
     
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    Kama unafurahia waisrael kumuua huyu jamaa usilielie kama hamas wakipeleka kosovo kule israel..ok

    every action there must be equal reaction..nao watapata hasara sooner or latter

    mpaka kieleweke hakutakuwa na amani
     
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    Matokeo ya kuamini mungu.
     
  6. Tumain

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    Halafu wewe Huamini Mwenyezi Mungu? kwanini?

    Kwanini unakufa?
     
  7. Fugwe

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    I think Europian countries need to review their policies towards immigrants. In sweden particular, there are many somalis refugees, these people have their own clubs, they conduct meetings and make contributions for other somalis living in somalia. No one knows if that money is being used for intended purposes or is used by al-shabaab campaigns in the horn of east africa.

    What I fear for, is widespread influence by al-shabaab to neighbouring countries like Kenya. Today we are talking about al-shabaa to launch jihad in somalia but we need to know that few days ago the same al-shabaab took part with other muslims in Kenya to demonstrate demanding the Kenyan Gvt not to repariate the radical Jamaican muslim Al-faisal. This happened in Kenya, tomorrow will be Tanzania and the day after tommorrow will be Uganda, Burundi and Rwanda. It is a high time for EAC to sit down and think critically how to deal and stop al-shabaab influence in EAC otheriwise the whole region will be a heaven for alqaeda
     
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    Dont say that, you dont know how people are suffering over there, and your just sitting there peaceful enjoying your peace while at the same time cheering killings in another place just because they dont believe the same thing as you do. Can you be a part of that battle ground too? I bet its a NO
     
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    Hawa watu wana mataizo makubwa sana, yaani wanakribishwa katika nchi za wenzao na wanapewa uhuru wa kuabudu na kufanya kile wakitakacho kulingana na tamaduni na imani zao lakini at the same time unakuta katika freedom ile ile waliyopewa wanaitumia kutengeneza mauaji walikotoka na pengine hata katika nci iliyowahost (tunaona yanayotokea UK na kwingineko kwa sasa). Unlike them, kuishi katika nchi zao lazima kwanza unconvert au lasivyo maisha yako yanakuwa ni magumu, huyu Allah hivi anaitaji nguvu ya binadamu kupiganiwa kihivyo? Kwanini asijipiganie mwenyewe who are you to fight for God while we know God created you and is far more stronger than you? Something has to be put in these people's minds juat to wake them up from hitting a hay
     
  10. Ludovick Mwijage

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    RayB,

    I think the issue Fungwe has raised is structural: failed African States such as Somalia, can easily become a haven for Al-Qaeda terrorists which might undermine regional stability. After all, it is common knowledge that Al-Shabab is affiliated with Al-Qaeda.

    For that reason, I think it is imperative, on the part our regional political leadership, to find a way of bringing a semblance of order in Somalia; and, the earlier the better.

    Should they fail to do this, then that onus will ultimately fall to others i.e. the International Community which is equally threated by Al-Qaeda terrorists.
     
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    Ulitaka huyu gaidi aachwe huru kuua watu wasio na hatia?
     
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    Acha kulia lia mtu anakuwa terrorist kama mahakama ime prove hivyo..

    Siyo majasusi wanamvizia wanamua mtu..hao ndo ma-terrorist!

    Lakini haisaidii uzuri inaongeza usongo kwa hamas na wengine kupeleka kosovo kule israel sooner or later..ukiuua lazima utegemee kuuawa, israel wameua inabidi wategemee ku-suffer the same.
     
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    Nchi za Ulaya,zinavuna walichopanda!Wameruhusu Waislamu wengi sana!Wasomali,
    Morocans,Pakistanis ,Algerians etc.Wengi hawa hawafanyi kazi,kuchukua benefits na kuzaa watoto wengi.

    Hata Wazenj wenzetu waliojilipua huko UK wanfuata mkumbo huu.
    Wasomali hata uwape nini,hawawezi kubadilika.NI lazy,wanapenda cheap money.
    Pesa za mapiracy zinakwenda Dubai,na kuwalipa Al Shabaab,na Nairobi vilevile.
    Hawa ni Muslim Criminals
     
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    Tumain JF-Expert Member

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    Ha ha ha nenda darasani kasome nani anamiliki biashar ndogo ndogo na medium size hapa UK ndio ujue hao waislamu hawawezi kuondolewa wanahitajika sana wanawalisha mizungu...ambayo imeshachoka kusoma na kubuni..
     
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    Kila nchi ina makada haswa nchi za Ulaya. Nchi nyingi za ulaya zina working class, middle class, upper-middle class na upper class. Wamiliki wa biashara ndogo ndogo na za kati huwa ni watu wa working class mpaka middle class. Kwa hiyo kama ni Waislamu ndiyo wana miliki nyingi ya hizo biiashara kama usemavyo ni kweli it just means kuwa wengi wao ni working na middle class. Hizi class zina tokana na factors nyingi kwa hiyo hata hao waislamu wasinge kuwepo hayo matabaka yange kuwepo.

    Kuhusu wazungu au "mizungu" kama unavyo waita kuchoka kusoma na kubuni that is very laughable. Wana high rate ya litteracy na pia high rates of graduation. Pia wanaongoza kwa research na research facilities. Kwa hiyo hapa nina maswali mawili,

    1.Kusema wazungu wamechoka kusoma na kubuni hiyo ina tokana na nini na ume tumia kigezo gani?

    2.Je ni hao Waislamu ambao wana miliki biashara ndogo na kati au waislamu kijumla wanao soma na kubuni vitu huko Ulaya.

    Tunaenda hoja kwa hoja. Right?
     
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