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Should Tanzania condemn the killings of opposition supporters in Iran?

Discussion in 'Jukwaa la Siasa' started by Mzee Mwanakijiji, Dec 28, 2009.

  1. Mzee Mwanakijiji

    Mzee Mwanakijiji Platinum Member

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    Recently, Tanzanian government has become very close to Iranian government to the point of entering a military cooperation treaty. And for sometime there had been a growing and sustained diplomatic relation with Iran that has caused some discomfort among some of us especially taking into account the current standoff between Iran and Western powers on the issue of nuclear proliferation.

    Since the Iranian election in the middle of this year an election that was marred by accusation of vote rigging and other irregularities the Iranian government has resorted to more ruthless methods to contain the opposition against it.

    In the current showdown between the Iranian authorities and supporters of opposition 5 people have been gunned down during a political rally in Tehran.

    Bearing in mind the possibility that the situation Iran might escalate I'm urging our government to issue a strong and unambiguous message to the Iranian leaders that the Tanzanian people strongly oppose the tactics of fear targeted against civilians who are demonstrating in a political setting.

    Even more, our government should offer to mediate some sort of political negotiation between the opposition and the government in Iran so as to diffuse the situation in Iran. Lest it be seen that our silence endorses the actions by the Iranian government.
     
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    S. S. Phares JF-Expert Member

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    Would it matter if Tanzania condemn the killings of opposition supporters in any country (let alone Iran)?
     
  3. Steve Dii

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    Would Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or the Supreme leader flinch?!

    I tell you what.... get them to openly support CHADEMA, CUF or any other opposition party in the country, i guarantee you, you'll have a foreign ministry statement condemning their interference by Wednesday. On the other hand, think of how many other states CCM has interfered with in south and central Africa under its jembe na nyundo banner?!
     
  4. Mzee Mwanakijiji

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    probably not; but it'll put on record where we stand as a democratic government (at least that is what we claim to be)
     
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    NasDaz JF-Expert Member

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    Iranian supporters of opposition?! NO, that's purely none of our busness!!!! why should we engage on Iran's domestic issues?! just because TZ gvt is cloz to Iranian gvt? do we have any interest on the issue?! those who call themselves "the fathers of democracy-westerners" interfere domestic issues cause they say they're our donors(and ofcoz they are); wht abt Tz for Iran?! should we release a strong and unambigious msg just to be heard by western medias and politicians? No man, it can't be!!! by the way, who will be the looser, btn Iran and Tz? YES, if it were the matter of our interest, no worry to loose, but since it's none of our business, let them work for their own as we work with znz issue. i guess we could start with somalia b4 going to Iran where they can solve their problems!!
     
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    Mwanakijiji, first of all today's Tanzania is not that of 70's. The one which when she decided to say somthing, many would want to listern. The one which had guts, courage and ideas, ya sasa sio ya namna hiyo.

    Again, you are forgetting the fact that it is the same government which killed a number of oppsition supporters in Zanzibar (regadless of wether it was defensive or whatever). How can our government condemn what she did?

    Ni sawa na kusema serikali yetu ikemee ufisadi Kenya, that will be a joke of the decade. I think the status quo is better.
     
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    And what would be the significance of that stance?
     
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    Bull JF-Expert Member

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    Opposition supporters should be condemn for their violence during the big nation days event (Ashura)

    Yoyote anaependa nchi yake hawezi kufanya demo katika siku ya sikukuu kubwa kama hii, inaonyesha wazi hawa watu hawaitakii mema Irani, nivibaraka na wanaangali personal interests rather than national interest.



    For the sake of national interests and security, Hawa opposition niwajinga, na nimuluki wanaoendeshwa na foreign power
     
  9. Mzee Mwanakijiji

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    Ni muhimu kupinga uovu popote bila kuangalia sura. Utawala wa Iran sasa ni wazi hauwezi kudumu kwa kushawishi wananchi wake isipokuwa kwa kutumia nguvu. Matokeo yake ni kuwa siku si nyingi tutaanza kusikia milipuko kama ile ya Baghdad pale Tehran na hatimaye the proverbial "chicken have come home to roost" will come to fulfillment.

    Kama tumefikia mahali kuwa serikari yetu haiwezi kuchukua msimamo wa wazi ina maana tumepoteza hata ujasiri wetu kama taifa. shame on us.
     
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    JokaKuu Platinum Member

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    Mwanakijiji,

    ..they can not condemn any abuses commited by the regime in Teheran.

    ..the general elections in Tz are just around the corner and CCM needs Iranian money to support their[ccm] campaign.
     
  11. Steve Dii

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    Hebu acha kutufanya wote wajinga hapa bana. Ni Wairan wangapi walipigia kura opposition?! Zaidi ya watu million 15 ndani ya Iran unataka kuwafanya wote hao ni supporters wa west, hebu acha upotoshaji wako wa kila kitu ni West vs Iran!

    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/06/200961391719990152.html
     
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    Nyamizi JF-Expert Member

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    Wenzenu bajeti yao (CCM) ya uchaguzi,source za Income ni kilimo kwanza na Iran,Thubutu,wajaribu kukemea waone,jamani njaa mbaya sana!
     
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    Nyamizi JF-Expert Member

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    Ukisikia hoja kujibiwa kwa hoja ni kama hapo juu!
     
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    Che Guevara JF-Expert Member

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    Tanzania should first have condemned the killings of the occupied people in Palestine (done by Israel), condemnable acts by the US agents & stooges (overthrow of President Zelaya, attempted coups against Hugo Chavez, occupation and killings in Iraq & Afghanistan).

    Tanzania should also condemn the killings in Pemba done by the Tanzania Police Force directed by the current Government.

    Poa kwanza boriti kwenye jicho lako, ndipo utaona kibanzi kwenye jicho la mwenzako.
     
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    Waw, I guess we are very far to have the kind of leaders to condemn the injustice or killings...happening around the globe!

    Reason: very simple they are not clean enough! to do so.
     
  16. Mzee Mwanakijiji

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    Tanzania ilishafanya hivyo kuhusu Israeli wakati wa Nyerere! na tulipinga ukandamizaji wa aina hiyo huko Biafra, na tulichukua msimamo kule Western Sahara.. kama tulivyochukua misimamo kule Namibia, Msumbiji na Afrika ya Kusini. Linapokuja suala la ukandamizaji hatukuwa na utata tulielewa kile ambacho MLK Jr alikielewa "udhalimu mahali fulani ni udhalimu mahali pote".


    Na ni falsafa ya uongo kushindwa kukemea udhalimu mpya kwa sababu hatukukemea udhalimu wa zamani.
     
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    Tanzania siku hizi hata wakisema nani atawasikiliza? Useme wakati wewe mwenyewe ni msafi? Mizoga tuliyonayo Mmh mmh mmh?
     
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    Kwanza wakemee ufisadi wa ndani ya nchi ilitujuwe kama zimo kweli. Kimbele mbele hiki kitawafikisha pabaya sana WaBongo.
     
  19. Mzee Mwanakijiji

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    Jamani si serikali hii hii ya CCM iliyotoa kauli yake kufuatia vurugu kule Kenya baada ya Uchaguzi Mkuu na ni wao waliofunga safari (Mkapa na Kikwete) na kwenda kuleta upatanishi kule?
     
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    Si unakumbuka Mkuu alitokea kule baada ya vurumai kuisha. December, January Mkuu alikuwa kimya kama vile hakuna majambo kwa majirani.

    Lakini baada ya mambo kuwa shwari, mkuu anapanda kadege kwenda kutafuta misifa.
     
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