Should African Countries Recognize The Libyan Rebels?

The NTC is recognised by the Arab League and that's where the buck stops! No one takes seriously what Matonya club says na hata wakati wa kupitisha UN-resolution ni sauti ya Arab League ndio isikilizwa. Hapa kuna a case of mistaken identity and the truth is Libya has and will always be an Arab nation before anything else. Na kama kweli hawa wakubwa wa AU walikuwa na vision wangemshauri Ghadaffi aondoke mapema kabla ya hii aibu ya kutandikwa na NATO.

Pili, China na Russia na hasa China are the worst to rely on when it comes to state support. Ni wanafiki wakubwa and it is only a matter of time before they (China) switches on thier 'infamous' foreign policy called 'quiet diplomacy'. Mara hali ya hewa itakapotengamaa watachukua mafuta bila kujali nani anaongoza nchi. Na tofauti na nchi za NATO ambazo pamoja na 'ulafi' wao wa mafuta lakini kuna makundi ya kutetea (walau kwa sauti) unyonyaji wa nchi zao kwa wengine. China & Russia on the other hand, hakuna mwananchi atayethubutu kuongea kwa sauti kubwa hata kama watakuwa wanavua nguo Walibya mchana kweupe. Hakuna.

Binafsi, AU is a total joke, haiwezi kubisa kulinganishwa na OAU ambayo ilikuwa na visionary leaders with morals. Sasas hivi wamebakia madikteta na kama hawakusoma alama za nyakati iko siku Africa nzima itangia barabara kudai huu umoja ufutwe kabisa. Umoja gani huu umeshindwa hata kusaidia njaa Somalia, wanahangaika na dikteta aliyekaa miaka 40? Wanafikiri nchi za magharibi ni za kuandika cheque tu? No such thing as free lunch!
 
Robbinhood said:
AU refrains from recognising Libya's NTC - Africa - Al Jazeera English
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Its shame to know that Tanzania has been influenced by "rats propagander" to go against AU and GADDAFI' government. Am personally happy that Leader Jacob Zuma, Museven, Mugabe, Kagame, Pierre, Nigerian President Goodluck and Kibaki and many more managed to STAND TOGETHER. Thick president of ours is dump enough to be bothered!.....
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Siasa za Afrika ni unafiki tu unaishi dunia ipi? Gadafi chacha yuko kama panya anasubiri adhabu yake tu. Hakuna calibre ya kina Nyerere, Kaunda na Samora. Mandela wamemsingizia tu.
 
Haya wandugu someni hapo chini, kazi za AU ni nin hasa?

Most of Africa's heads of state failed to turn up Thursday for the first African Union donor conference in Ethiopia to raise money for the Horn of Africa famine, leaving activists disappointed with the pledges.Of the African Union's 54 member nations, only the heads of Ethiopia, Equatorial Guinea and Djibouti participated in the conference in Addis Ababa, along with the head of the transitional government in Somalia, the country hit hardest by the famine. Critics accused African leaders of failing to make good on their rhetoric about finding African solutions for African problems.The African Union had come under fire for delaying the conference for several weeks because some leaders had conflicts in their schedules.

Follow the link below for more info:Africa famine conference draws few African leaders - latimes.com
 
remember where Gadaffi was standing during Tanzania Uganda war..........
why we should support him? because he used to build misikiti? who told you that Tanzanians are not able to build th'are own misikiti?
 
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African Union (AU) Libya committee chairman, South African Foreign Minister Jacob Zuma has re-iterated the 5-month constant call of the African Union for an immediate cease-fire and withdrawal of NATO forces from African territory.

Zuma confirmed the Libyan capital of Tripoli was not yet under full rebel control. The vast majority of Tripoli still remains out of control of rebels who are facing stiff resistance from the armed population, who bear arms to protect themselves from the invading forces. [link] [link] [link] [link]

He spoke as AU leaders met in the Ethiopian capital to discuss the next action they should take regarding Libya, having already condemned the NATO attacks and the UN for violating its own charter and laws. Some African States have received inducements to recognize the TNC but the majority refuse to recognize the rebels. “Fighting is still going on. That is the reality,” said Zuma, who chairs the AU committee on Libya. “We can't say this is a legitimate (government) now.”

Today it was revealed that the military commander of the rebels in Tripoli who have been on the rampage and failed to secure the city from the democratic Jamahiriya government is an Al-Qaida asset. This will cause consternation in western capitals as it is yet again shown that they are supporting Al-Qaida in Libya. [link]
Popular Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi and other analysts including Mathaba Libya Analysts have long pointed out that Al-Qaida, which was firmly under control in Libya and with its fighters locked up in prison, had been released as part of a CIA plan to destabilize Libya, which was known as the "Switzerland" of Africa.
Before the western-led attempt to seize control of Libyan wealth in alliance with an unstable alliance of disparate rebels including Al-Qaida, united mainly by their hatred of Qaddafi and the popular democratic Jamahiriya government, the country enjoyed some of the highest standards of living in the world.
Thanks to the nationalization of resource assets the citizens of Libya enjoyed free unlimited world-wide health care and education, free housing and free electricity, a payment of $60,000 on getting married, and an additional $500 monthly into their bank accounts, from sharing the revenue of the nation among its population.


According to Associated Press (AP) reports, the American news agency quoted Zuma as saying that the AU did not rule out pro- or anti-Gaddafi forces from taking part in a future Libyan government.

African countries like Ethiopia and Nigeria that already recognised the rebels were free to do so and also support the AU position, AP reporting him as saying.
The same AP report however printed two monstrous lies in one sentence, one that the rebels control the majority of the country which Mathaba reporters on the ground absolutely verify is untrue, and "have already been recognised as the legitimate authority by most of the world."

Most of the world, according to western media including AP, the BBC, CNN, Al-Jazeera and others, appears to mean just 40 countries out of a total of 192.

Earlier in the day, Mahmoud Jibril, the head of the rebel National Transitional Council, called for recognition from the AU and the urgent release of frozen Libyan assets, saying the government could face a “legitimacy crisis” if the Libyan people's demands are not met, according to AP. Now the opposition says it urgently needs at least $5 billion in frozen assets to pay state salaries and maintain services in Libya, including areas still under Gaddafi control. Funds are also needed for an army and a police force to restore order and confiscate arms, he said.
“If the services expected by the citizens are not met, we may be faced with a legitimacy crisis,” Jibril said at a joint news conference with Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu.
Jibril was in Turkey to attend a meeting of the so-called “Contact Group” of some 30 countries leading efforts to occupy Libya, led by Libya's ancient colonizer nations, England, France, Italy and Turkey.
The U.S. bribed South Africa to accept a deal Thursday that will release $1.5 billion in Libyan assets in American banks which the U.S. is earmarking for the cash-strapped rebels.
Mathaba Analysts estimate that as much as $150 billion of Libya's money is frozen in banks worldwide under orders from the banking cartel of Europe and America. This includes $32 billion paid by Libya of a total $42 billion set-up budget for an African Monetary Fund and African Central Bank to lift International Monetary Fund and World Bank control over Africa.

The African Central Bank, African Monetary Fund and African Investment Bank were to be launched this September as the major corner stones of an African project supported by Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi to free Africa from the clutches of foreign private central banks and other economic predators.

Several European nations, including Britain, France and Italy, are releasing some hundreds of millions, i.e. less than one thousandth of the Libyan money stolen by the western banks, and giving those funds to the rebels while retaining the rest to fill the empty coffers of western banks and pay for the imperial invasion of Africa. “The waving of the new flag, international recognition and financial support are the three pillars for a sovereign Libya,” Turkish minister Davutoglu said.
However, people world wide have taken up the pure green flag of the Libyan Jamahiriya and adopted it as their own, after a call from the revolutionary leader explaining that the green flag is the property of all the people of the world, unlike the flags of governments which oppress them.
His call has been taken up by people around the world and in particular in Serbia, where the Qaddafi is popular as he supported the Serbians morally during the NATO aggression on the former Yugoslavia several years ago. Serbian volunteer fighters have also gathered in Libya to fight for Qaddafi against the rebels.
Serbians have also set up the most popular out of many thousands of Facebook support pages for Qaddafi, "Support For Muammar Qaddafi From The People of Serbia". Muammar Qaddafi has not opened a Facebook account due to it being a "CIA spying platform" although it is the most popular social media network.




http://www.mathaba.net/news/libya
 
Ukweli ndiyo huu ... kati ya SA na Italy nani anaathirika na matukio ya Libya zaidi?

timbilimu said:
Waafrika bwana!! Libya hata kama iko ktk bara letu lakini ni jirani zaidi wa bara la Ulaya. Kinachotokea Libya ama Moroco,Algeria,Tunisia na Misri kinawahusu sana watu wa Ulaya kuliko sisi. Pili uoga wa viongozi wetu ni hii kuongoza nchi zetu kama kampuni binafsi ya familia. Wanaogopa yasije wakuta yaliyomkuta Gadhafi. Hata hivyo baada ya tamko la AU,siku chache zijazo utasikia baadhi ya nchi hizi hizi zikiwatambua NTC! Hiyo ndiyo Afrika.....
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Cynic said:
Ukweli ndiyo huu ... kati ya SA na Italy nani anaathirika na matukio ya Libya zaidi?
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Italy. Wakimbizi sasa wamepata sababu ya kuingilia Ulaya, maana hata kabla kichaa mropokaji hajaanza kuchapwa na wenye akili bado walikuwa wanavuka mediterranean usiku na mchana.
 
Robbinhood said:
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The African Union has refused to explicitly recognise Libya's National Transitional Council (NTC), in a setback for Libyan rebels who have already been recognised as the legitimate government by more than 40 countries.<br />
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Instead, the AU on Friday called for an inclusive transitional government in the North African state that would<br />
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&quot;(The) council ... calls for the formation of an inclusive transitional government, the establishment of a constitutional and legislative framework for the democratic transformation of Libya as well as for support towards the organisation of elections and a national reconciliation process,&quot; <br />
Ramtane Lamamra, the AU Commissioner for Peace and Security, said following a meeting of the body's Emergency Peace and Security Council in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. <br />
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&quot;(The council) strongly reaffirms that the AU stands with the people of Libya and encourages all the parties in Libya to come together and negotiate a peaceful process that would lead to democracy,&quot; he said.<br />
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Jacob Zuma, South Africa's leader, said the AU would not recognise the NTC as the legitimate government as long as fighting continued in Libya.<br />
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&quot;If there is fighting, there is fighting. So we can't stand here and say this is the legitimate (government) now. The process is fluid. That's part of what we inform countries - whether there is an authority to recognise,&quot; Zuma said.<br />
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Officials at the talks said the 15-member emergency council was split almost in half between countries that have recognised the NTC and countries who have not.<br />
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The council takes in Zimbabwe, Kenya, Equatorial Guinea, Nigeria, Libya, Namibia, South Africa, Djibouti, Rwanda, Burundi, Chad Benin, Ivory Coast, Mali and Mauritania.<br />
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</font><font color="#ff0000">Awidan Ali, an ambassador from the NTC attending the AU meeting, told Al Jazeera more than 16 African countries had recognised the rebels' transitional government.<br />
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Its shame to know that Tanzania has been influenced by &quot;rats propagander&quot; to go against AU and GADDAFI' government. Am personally happy that Leader Jacob Zuma, Museven, Mugabe, Kagame, Pierre, Nigerian President Goodluck and Kibaki and many more managed to STAND TOGETHER. Thick president of ours is dump enough to be bothered!.....</font><br />
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Kama Tanzania imetofautiana na AU basi hayo ndo maamuzi ambayo Tanzania imefanya ikiwa inajitambua. Inaonyesha Kikwete hajawa msahaulifu wa historia kama baadhi ya wasahaulifu hapa JF. Alichotakiwa Kikwete akifanye mapema ni kuiunga mkono NATO kama walivyofanya Qatar. Hii ingehitimisha usemi wa "malipo hapahapa duniani" maana tungekuwa tumemlipa yule kichaa kwa alichotufanyia 1979.
 
Cynic said:
Ukweli ndiyo huu ... kati ya SA na Italy nani anaathirika na matukio ya Libya zaidi?
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Hiyo siyo pointi ya nguvu kama mnavyotaka kutuamnisha.Ngoja nimsaidie.Hivi Mexico wana sauti zaidi kuhusiana na New Mexico kwasababu wanaathirika sana na mambo ya New Mexico?Afrika haina a united states of Afrika,however Libya iko Afrika.Na Afrika ina Maslahi na Libya kama vile Europe ilivyo na maslahi nayo.
 
Kuna msemo hivi sasa kwamba "AU needs Libya but Libya does not need AU"
 
Interesting article on AU

African Union rattled by Qaddafi collapse in Libya
August 28, 2011

The toppling of Libyan strongman Moammar Qaddafi by rebels has left the African Union sidelined, its members divided and anger high at a Western-led bombing campaign, analysts say.

The AU stands in a contradictory position: several African states have individually acknowledged the rebel National Transitional Council (NTC), but the pan-African bloc has shirked from recognition itself.

Misguided efforts for talks between the rebels and Qaddafi -- plans rejected by rebels and ignored by the West -- damaged the bloc's credibility, said Aloys Habimana, of Human Rights Watch.

"Failing to realize that Qaddafi’s killings undermined his legitimacy and made him better suited for an international tribunal than for a negotiating table was a terrible mistake," Habimana said.

"The AU leadership was torn between the option of doing the right thing, and that of standing in solidarity with a prominent peer whose acts clearly stood in stark contrast to the AU’s own principles and values," Habimana added.

Several African leaders may have been keenly aware of their own internal domestic divisions, avoiding discussion on revolution when they themselves are often decades-long serving presidents elected on shaky grounds.

"The AU reacted quite slowly to the crisis for many reasons," said Paul-Simon Handy, from South Africa's Institute for Security Studies, noting Qaddafi had regularly contributed substantial funds to the AU.

"Not least was because some heads of state were embarrassed by their close personal relationship with Qaddafi," Handy added.

But it was Western air raids that infuriated many on the continent, who felt NATO attacks had gone "far beyond the spirit, if not the letter, of the UN Security Council resolution," said Tom Cargill, of Britain's Chatham House.

"African leaders were infuriated by NATO's snub," Handy added. "They felt their advice and role had been entirely ignored."

"So often they have been pressured by the international community to find African solutions to African problems," added Cargill, "Yet when such a problem arises, the Western nations came in and sidelined them."

Instead of protecting civilians, the NATO raids are seen by many as effective regime change, "Perceived as Western military intervention of neo-colonialist powers," Cargill added.

It raised anger even in governments whose roots lie in revolutionary change, who might otherwise be expected to welcome a popular rebellion by the Libyan people.

"External observers might find it nonsensical, but there was a real feeling of the need to stand up for African solidarity," said Cargill, noting the intense anger from South African leaders, who overthrew apartheid rule.

"Institutions like the AU should exist to safeguard peoples’ aspirations, rather than serving to protect tyrants rightly challenged by citizens in search of freedom and the rule of law," he said.

"With Qaddafi’s fall, Libyans have a unique opportunity to build a better country based on human rights and the rule of law -- the AU’s role in assisting the Libyans to tap that opportunity will be critical," Habimana added.

Relations ahead between the NTC and the AU will be tricky, but both sides will have to work with each other, added Handy.

-AFP/NOW Lebanon
 
timbilimu said:
Waafrika bwana!! Libya hata kama iko ktk bara letu lakini ni jirani zaidi wa bara la Ulaya. Kinachotokea Libya ama Moroco,Algeria,Tunisia na Misri kinawahusu sana watu wa Ulaya kuliko sisi. Pili uoga wa viongozi wetu ni hii kuongoza nchi zetu kama kampuni binafsi ya familia. Wanaogopa yasije wakuta yaliyomkuta Gadhafi. Hata hivyo baada ya tamko la AU,siku chache zijazo utasikia baadhi ya nchi hizi hizi zikiwatambua NTC! Hiyo ndiyo Afrika.....
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Hoja zote za nguvu umemaliza mkuu. Asante, naziunga mkono mia kwa mia
 
Kwahiyo kumbe ndiyo maana Kenya wana maslahi zaidi na Kilimanjaro kuliko Tanzania?Safi sana wenye kujiita mna hoja za nguvu.Kweli "mmemaliza"
 
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Interesting article on AU

African Union rattled by Qaddafi collapse in Libya
August 28, 2011

The toppling of Libyan strongman Moammar Qaddafi by rebels has left the African Union sidelined, its members divided and anger high at a Western-led bombing campaign, analysts say.

The AU stands in a contradictory position: several African states have individually acknowledged the rebel National Transitional Council (NTC), but the pan-African bloc has shirked from recognition itself.

Misguided efforts for talks between the rebels and Qaddafi -- plans rejected by rebels and ignored by the West -- damaged the bloc's credibility, said Aloys Habimana, of Human Rights Watch.

"Failing to realize that Qaddafi's killings undermined his legitimacy and made him better suited for an international tribunal than for a negotiating table was a terrible mistake," Habimana said.

"The AU leadership was torn between the option of doing the right thing, and that of standing in solidarity with a prominent peer whose acts clearly stood in stark contrast to the AU's own principles and values," Habimana added.

Several African leaders may have been keenly aware of their own internal domestic divisions, avoiding discussion on revolution when they themselves are often decades-long serving presidents elected on shaky grounds.

"The AU reacted quite slowly to the crisis for many reasons," said Paul-Simon Handy, from South Africa's Institute for Security Studies, noting Qaddafi had regularly contributed substantial funds to the AU.

"Not least was because some heads of state were embarrassed by their close personal relationship with Qaddafi," Handy added.

But it was Western air raids that infuriated many on the continent, who felt NATO attacks had gone "far beyond the spirit, if not the letter, of the UN Security Council resolution," said Tom Cargill, of Britain's Chatham House.

"African leaders were infuriated by NATO's snub," Handy added. "They felt their advice and role had been entirely ignored."

"So often they have been pressured by the international community to find African solutions to African problems," added Cargill, "Yet when such a problem arises, the Western nations came in and sidelined them."

Instead of protecting civilians, the NATO raids are seen by many as effective regime change, "Perceived as Western military intervention of neo-colonialist powers," Cargill added.

It raised anger even in governments whose roots lie in revolutionary change, who might otherwise be expected to welcome a popular rebellion by the Libyan people.

"External observers might find it nonsensical, but there was a real feeling of the need to stand up for African solidarity," said Cargill, noting the intense anger from South African leaders, who overthrew apartheid rule.

"Institutions like the AU should exist to safeguard peoples' aspirations, rather than serving to protect tyrants rightly challenged by citizens in search of freedom and the rule of law," he said.

"With Qaddafi's fall, Libyans have a unique opportunity to build a better country based on human rights and the rule of law -- the AU's role in assisting the Libyans to tap that opportunity will be critical," Habimana added.

Relations ahead between the NTC and the AU will be tricky, but both sides will have to work with each other, added Handy.

-AFP/NOW Lebanon
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Hallo, nchi zingine 13 zime withdraw kuwatambua rebel nini? maana mwanzo zilikuwa 20 sahizi zimebaki 7 tu. Teh teh teh teh

Safi sana Zuma na AU, AU kutowatambua rebel ndio survivor ya Gadafi maana silaha nzito za kutoka Rusia zinaingia kirahisi kuwadhibiti NATO, AU ingewatambua rebel basi ilikuwa mwisho wa Gadafi angefanya biashara na nani. Gadafi akichomoka ktk adha hii naamini ataitoa libya ktk arab ligi
 
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