Sheria ya Talaka TZ ilegezwe au isilegezwe?

[Nyani Ngabu]

Kwa sababu watu waliopendana ni ngumu kuchukiana. Sheria inawapa nafasi ya kujifikiria. Unless ndoa hiyo iwe ilikuwa ya mkeka. But if there was love, sheria imeona possibility of reconcilling ipo. Na tuna ushaidi wa watu ambao wameweza kuyashinda majaribu ya ndoa na sasa ndoa zao ni mifano ya kuigwa.

Hiyo nafasi ya kufikiria maamuzi inaitwa "cooling-off period". Kwa Tanzania sijui kama ipo kwenye sheria za talaka. Lakini kwa nchi kama Marekani majimbo mengi yana hicho kipengele cha "cooling-off period" kwa sababu hiyo hiyo uliyoitaja wewe. Kawaida huo muda wa kufikiria huwa ni wa siku tisini (90) ila inategemea na jimbo lenyewe.

Kwa hiyo si kwa vile tu wana no-fault divorce law(s) basi inamaanisha ukienda kuomba talaka leo basi ni kesho yake tu unapata decree. Halafu pia mkitalikiana haimaanishi kuwa hamuwezi tena kuja kuoana. Kuna watu kibao waliotalikiana na baadaye kuja kugundua kuwa walikosea na wakaoana tena.

 

[Nguruvi3]

Nyani Ngabu;1997155]Things do happen and no one can predict the future. Do you know how many people are unhappily married? It's a lot! If all of those unhappily married people would have known beforehand that their marriage would at some point sour, I doubt if many of them would have gotten married. But most people don't live their lives like that. Most people live their lives optimistically. But when things turn out to be not as they were expected people have to adapt

Yes! no one can predict the future,that's why the law is flexible incase it happen otherwise. Make your case it is over.
It's unfair to say 'lot of people are unhappy with marriage'. As an old institution, people who embrace marriage and those on the queue outweigh the minority verbose. Every effort must be done to protect the values of this noble institution. Those skeptical should not join the club until such time when they are ready.

Very weak argument! So basically what you are saying is that someone should hold on to an unhappy marriage ? That just doesn't make sense. Most people I think would trade an unhappy marriage life for a hard but happy single-life in a heartbeat. Just think about it, who wants to live in misery?

It does make sense!no body is held hostage on marriage. If you think you will fall in the trap, then opt for common law which you get in and out unquestioned.

 

[Mbu]

MM, umeirudia rudia hiyo Hivi sasa, nimeshtuka kidogo.
Nimeipitia website ya RITA, naona vijisababu havitokosakana kama inavyofikiriwa.
Kunyimana Unyumba ni sababu mojawapo tosha ya kujipatia talaka.

PART II MARRIAGE (ss 9-41) ​

9. Meaning of marriage
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial](1) Marriage means the voluntary union of a man and a woman, intended to last for their joint lives. [/FONT][/FONT]

39. Voidable marriages

[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]Subject to the provisions of sections 97 and 98, a marriage shall be voidable if– [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial](a) at the time of the marriage– [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial](i) either party was incapable of consummating it; [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]con·sum·mate/ˈkänsəˌmāt/[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Arial]Verb: Make (a marriage or relationship) complete by having sexual intercourse.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Arial](ii) either party was subject to recurrent attacks of insanity or epilepsy; [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Arial](iii) either party was suffering from venereal disease in a communicable form; or [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Arial](iv) the wife was pregnant by some person other than the husband; or [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Arial](b) the marriage has not been consummated owing to the wilful refusal of one party to consummate it; [/FONT]
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Kasheshe ni haki za mtalaka wako mtarajiwa, hapo ndio kuna kazi bana.

wengi wetu ni wavivu kusoma sheria na kufuatilia haki.
Rushwa pia inachangia watu wengi kupoteza haki zao.​

[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]49. Maintenance of register of annulments and divorces[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]The Registrar-General shall maintain a register of annulments and divorces and shall forthwith enter therein the prescribed particulars and of all decrees of annulment and divorce sent to him under section 50 and of all decrees of annulment and divorce di·vorce de·cree; [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]A court's formal order granting a termination of marriage. If a divorce case goes to trial and the judge issues a judgment, the judgment is confirmed when the decree is signed and dated by the judge and court clerk.. for the registration which application is made under section 51. [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Arial]50. Copies of decrees of annulment and divorce to be sent to Registrar-General [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]Every court which grants a decree of annulment or divorce shall forthwith send one copy of the decree, certified to be a true copy, to the and Registrar-General, for registration. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]64. Presumption of wife's authority to pledge her husband's credit, etc. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial](1) Subject to the provisions of subsections (2) and (3), a wife is presumed, unless the contrary is proved, to have authority to pledge her husband's credit, or to borrow money in his name, or to use any of his money which is in her possession or under her control, or to convert his movable property into money and use the same, so far as such credit or money is required for the purchase of necessaries for herself and the infant children of the marriage, appropriate to the husband's means and way of life. [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial](2) Such authority shall be presumed only– [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial](a) where the husband and wife are living together; [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial](b) where the husband and wife are separated under an agreement which provides that the husband will pay maintenance to the wife and he has failed to comply with that agreement; [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]​

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[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial](c) where the husband has deserted his wife or by his conduct has compelled her to leave him. [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[/FONT][/FONT]SOURCE; http://rita.go.tz/eng/laws/History Laws/Marriage Ordinance, (cap 29).pdf

...Wanasheria mnasemaje?​

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Yes! no one can predict the future,that's why the law is flexible incase it happen otherwise.

It is not flexible enough. It needs to be more flexible.

Make your case it is over.
It's unfair to say 'lot of people are unhappy with marriage'. As an old institution, people who embrace marriage and those on the queue outweigh the minority verbose. Every effort must be done to protect the values of this noble institution. Those skeptical should not join the club until such time when they are ready.

It is not unfair. It is a fact that unhappy marriages exist. Do you deny this fact?

It does make sense!no body is held hostage on marriage. If you think you will fall in the trap, then opt for common law which you get in and out unquestioned.

You lost me. What exactly are you saying here?

 

[Nguruvi3]

It is not flexible enough. It needs to be more flexible.
It is not unfair. It is a fact that unhappy marriages exist. Do you deny this fact?
You lost me. What exactly are you saying here?

It is flexible, please read the post by Mbu just to learn simple reasons you can apply to terminate painful marriage. .
It is unfair to say 'lot of people'. I guess it's just a section of population.
You asserted that marriage is a kind of 'hostage', my answer is, if you think so then stay away from it. You can live with someone without any legal bond (common law), the day you're unhappy with relationship you just walk away.

 

[The dirt paka]

Mi nadhani kunahaja ya wanasheria kulifanyia research hili suala then wakusanye maoni kwa mabatchelor na wanandoa.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

It is flexible, please read the post by Mbu just to learn simple reasons you can apply to terminate painful marriage. .
It is unfair to say 'lot of people'. I guess it's just a section of population.

So why can't no-fault be also a reason alongside those other reasons?

You asserted that marriage is a kind of 'hostage', my answer is, if you think so then stay away from it. You can live with someone without any legal bond (common law), the day you're unhappy with relationship you just walk away.

My friend, some things in life are unforeseen unless you tell me that you have a crystal ball and are able to tell with surgical exactness what will happen in the future. If so then I am green with envy!!!!

 

[nyumba kubwa]

To my experience people who are yet to get married are so critical and skeptical of marriage. Nyani Ngabu umeoa? Mbona mimi na enjoy sana tu kuwa kwenye ndoa? Mbona naona vigumu pia ku identify those who don't enjoy at all?

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

To my experience people who are yet to get married are so critical and skeptical of marriage. Nyani Ngabu umeoa? Mbona mimi na enjoy sana tu kuwa kwenye ndoa? Mbona naona vigumu pia ku identify those who don't enjoy at all?

I have a wealth of experience in what I'm talking about!

 

[nyumba kubwa]

Sheria inafanya tu kuwa siyo rahisi kupata formal divorce. Lakini sidhani kama mtu umedhamiria kuchapa lapa basi sheria inasema mume/mke akufungie ndani ka jela usiondoke. Kwa hiyo mimi bado naamini watu wako happy tu kwenye ndoa zao ndio maana wanaendelea kukaa kwenye ndoa. Japo natambua kuwa kiwango cha furaha ni tofauti toka familia moja hadi nyingine.

Na ninapinga wale wanaodhani kuwa watu wengi walo kwenye ndoa wamo jehanamu.

Msione watu wana complain mkadhani they are the most unhappy persons on earth. Watu wameshajua kuwa jamii inapenda kusikia story mbaya kuhusu wenzao kwa hiyo ndizo wanazosimulia. They don't share the good side of the story.

Ninaweza kusema kama kuna watu wana matatizo makubwa kwenye ndoa basi ni wachache wale ambao unakuta mtaa wote unajua vituko vyao.

 

[Nguruvi3]

Nyani Ngabu;1999314]So why can't no-fault be also a reason alongside those other reasons?

It's because other reasons could better justify divorce than 'no reason'. No -fault is synonymously to 'nothing or I don't want to say'. In some society this is better expression of the feeling, in our society, tradition and culture it doesn't fit well.
Just say, you experienced epileptic episodes which could endanger your life or jogoo is idle to an extent that you inflict psychological trauma to your partner. For girls simply say, jogoo is too tired that you never reach the mountain top. Period!

My friend, some things in life are unforeseen unless you tell me that you have a crystal ball and are able to tell with surgical exactness what will happen in the future. If so then I am green with envy!!!!

No one knows what may happen on the way, in case of unforeseeably event the law has a room to make or break, in such scenario the 'unforeseen' will be a good reason.
It is inconceivable that Nyani Ngabu will hate Ms Y for 'no-fault'. Don't you see that to hate someone for nothing is a reason by itslelf !! what is inside 'no-fault' which I may not be well informed, please help.

Remember not always ''one size fits all', let America exercise what is best for Americans.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

It's because other reasons could better justify divorce than 'no reason'. No -fault is synonymously to 'nothing or I don't want to say'. In some society this is better expression of the feeling, in our society, tradition and culture it doesn't fit well.

Get out of here. What is our tradition and culture anyway? The whole marriage thing (the way we do it) is foreign to us. And you are here talking about this and that don't fit with our tradition and culture? Funny.

Just say, you experienced epileptic episodes which could endanger your life or jogoo is idle to an extent that you inflict psychological trauma to your partner. For girls simply say, jogoo is too tired that you never reach the mountain top. Period!

Indecipherable psychobabble. Can you translate it in plain language, please?

No one knows what may happen on the way, in case of unforeseeably event the law has a room to make or break, in such scenario the 'unforeseen' will be a good reason.

The whole marriage thing is overrated, overplayed, and a charade. A motherlode of people don't abide by their marriage vows. So whether no fault or fault, people will do what they have always done and some will have marriage in name only. At the end of the day it is up to the individual who is in the marriage do decide what they want to do.

It is inconceivable that Nyani Ngabu will hate Ms Y for 'no-fault'. Don't you see that to hate someone for nothing is a reason by itslelf !! what is inside 'no-fault' which I may not be well informed, please help.

No fault simply means you don't have to divulge to the public all the info regarding your wanting to divorce. If a married couple have agreed to divorce who are you to ask why if they don't want to share with you their reason(s) for doing so? That's where no fault divorce comes into play. The petitioner simply cites irreconcilable differences and you go from there. What part of that don't you understand?

Remember not always ''one size fits all', let America exercise what is best for Americans.

No fault should be there as an option. That is what I would like to see. That people who value their privacy the law should also accommodate them. But if some like to put their business out there for people to know let the law accommodate them also. What's wrong with that?

 

[Mbu]

Ni lazima watu wanaovunja ndoa wawe na sababu ya msingi? Kwenye State kama Michigan (US) wana kitu kinaitwa "no fault divorce" yaani haiitajiki kuwepo kosa kwenye ndoa kumfanya mtu atake divorce. Basically mtu anaweza kuwa divorce for any reason or for no reason at all. Je katika Tanzania kama hiyo inahitajika, itasaidia, au itachochea talaka?

Hadi hivi sasa ili mtu aweze kupata talaka kuna masharti magumu na ambayo yote yanataka sababu ya kuhalalisha talaka na hata ikiwepo sababu ni lazima mfuate utaratibu wa usuluhishi n.k n.k

Katika Tanzania hivi sasa talaka haiwezi kutolewa mpaka mahakama iridhike kuwa ndoa haiwezi kutengamaa tena na kwamba ndoa imevunjika pasipo shaka ili kuthibitisha hili sharti muhimu la kisheria, mdai talaka anapaswa kuonyesha mahakamani mambo kadhaa yanayoweza kuvunja ndoa. Si lazima aoneshe yote bali hata mojawapo likiwa na uzito ambao utaridhisha mahakama. Lakini kimsingi ni lazima kuwe na sababu ya kutosha.

1. Talaka ya Kiislam
2. Desertion including constructive deserttion
3. Cruelty...hapan ni mambo mengi yanayotafsiriwakuwa ni ukatili
4. Kubadili dini
5.Kifungo cha muda mrefu
6. nadhani hata ugonjwa kama kichaa

Sasa inakuwaje pale mtu ambapo anajua kua ndoa yake kweli imefikia magogoni? Afanye nini? aendelee kusumbuka miaka nenda rudi kutafuta talaka yake?

Maana hata kama mtu anataka kuoa au kuolewa tena anajikuta anashindwa kwa sababu hata potential wachumba wanaachia mbele ya safari kwani talaka haiji na muda unapita. Lakini ikiwekwa sheria ya kusema kuwa yeyote kati yenu anaweza kuinitiate divorce proceeding na ya kuwa at the end divorce itatolewa hata kama mwingine hataki itasaidia watu kuwa waangalifu kwani watajua hawawezi kuchezea ndoa kwani inaweza ikavunjwa wakati wowote?

Open floor.

MM, vipi, ulishapata majibu juu ya maswali haya?

...hapo kwenye wekundu uligusia Talaka haiwezi kutolewa mpaka mahakama iridhike. Mfano mimi nimempa talaka aliyekuwa mke wangu, nikaenda RITA kusajili divorce papers. Bado nitahitajika nipate nyaraka za mahakama na usuluhishi? ndivyo ilivyo sheria za Tanzania kama anavyozungumzia MM hapa?

Kama jibu ni hapana, kwanini sheria inambana mwanamke kulazimika kuombea talaka mahakamani kwa kupitia mabaraza ya upatanishi?

 

[klorokwini]

MM, vipi, ulishapata majibu juu ya maswali haya?

...hapo kwenye wekundu uligusia Talaka haiwezi kutolewa mpaka mahakama iridhike. Mfano mimi nimempa talaka aliyekuwa mke wangu, nikaenda RITA kusajili divorce papers. Bado nitahitajika nipate nyaraka za mahakama na usuluhishi? ndivyo ilivyo sheria za Tanzania kama anavyozungumzia MM hapa?

Kama jibu ni hapana, kwanini sheria inambana mwanamke kulazimika kuombea talaka mahakamani kwa kupitia mabaraza ya upatanishi?

heheeh bro vipi tena? wakati sisi tunaandaa harusi , wewe uko kwenye sredi ya talaka.
eniwei acha nirudi lupango nimetoroka leo moja tu na hili addiction sugu. Msalimie shemeji "soulmate"

 

[MwanajamiiOne]

Mbu kusema ukweli hii thread nimekuwa nikiikwepa kwa sababu ina vipebgele vingi ambavyo vinanipa uchungu na sivielewi kabisa.

But naamini kabisa kuwa sheria hii ina mapungufu mengi na najiuliza tu wanasheria wetu watatusaidiaje!

Klorokwini ....shaka ondoa!

 

[Mbu]

heheeh bro vipi tena? wakati sisi tunaandaa harusi , wewe uko kwenye sredi ya talaka.
eniwei acha nirudi lupango nimetoroka leo moja tu na hili addiction sugu. Msalimie shemeji "soulmate"

....nimekuona bro,...yaani wewe unabanwaaaaaa jumapili ndio unaibuka!
kibano si kawaida! Soulmate is great, hayasimuliki maraha raha anayonipa!

Anyway...hii sredi kama 'kifo' inatugusa wengi, basi tu watu wanaipotezea.
Kujikung'uta vumbi muhimu bana!...


Wengi twadharau hizi official documents kisha siku ya siku tunakuja kurupushwa
na swali, "kama tuliachana,....cheti kipo wapi?".....better make it official.

 

[Sokomoko]

Lakini kwanini ionekane kana kwamba sheria inalazimisha watu wasiopatana kuendelea kuwa pamoja katika ndoa zilizoshindwa?

Nilikuwa nakuheshimu sana kumbe una mawazo mgando namna hii? yaani unataka tu copy tamaduni za kizungu kwa kuwa wewe unaishi huko? au kwa kuwa wao ni wastaarabu sana kuliko watanzania? nadhani baada ya muda utakuja na hoja ya ku save maji na kuwashawishi watanzania watumie toilet paper kama wanavyotumia wamichigan.

 

[MwanajamiiOne]

Hah sikutaka kucheka but imenibidi nitabasamu... Eti kama tuliachana cheti kiko wapi? Umenikumbusha kuna mdogo wangu ye. Ilikuwa kila siku bifu na shemeji, siku ya siku dogo akachana cheti cha ndoa akidai ndo kinachomtia shem kiburi... Ajabu shem katulia sasa sina hakika kama siku wakitaka kuachana awezaulizwa ... Umenioa, cheti kiko wapi?..haya mambo haya!

 

[MwanajamiiOne]

Nilikuwa nakuheshimu sana kumbe una mawazo mgando namna hii? yaani unataka tu copy tamaduni za kizungu kwa kuwa wewe unaishi huko? au kwa kuwa wao ni wastaarabu sana kuliko watanzania? nadhani baada ya muda utakuja na hoja ya ku save maji na kuwashawishi watanzania watumie toilet paper kama wanavyotumia wamichigan.

Sokomoko mpendwa, sio kwamba hapa anazungumzia zile ndoa zilizoshindikana 'beyond repair'?! Au mie nilimwelewa ndivyo sivyo? Ni kweli kuna tamaduni nyingine za kuwaachia wennye nazo

 

[Freema Agyeman]

Kwa sababu watu waliopendana ni ngumu kuchukiana. Sheria inawapa nafasi ya kujifikiria. Unless ndoa hiyo iwe ilikuwa ya mkeka. But if there was love, sheria imeona possibility of reconcilling ipo. Na tuna ushaidi wa watu ambao wameweza kuyashinda majaribu ya ndoa na sasa ndoa zao ni mifano ya kuigwa.

FYI wanaopendana ndio wanaoogoza kwa kuchukiana inapotokea kutofautiana. Mifano ipo vilevile.

Cha msingi, live your life as it comes.