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Lets hope other associations get behind the FA. Interesting to see how far the FA can/will go.
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Paul Scholes for President!
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Unfortunately, while the FA statement makes sense, it does somewhat smack of a case of "those in glass houses". There are countless problems with the governance of the game in this country, caused mainly by the toothlessness of the FA, particularly in its dealings with the Premier League.
Get certain people with conflicts of interests off the board of the FA and it might finally grow a spine. Then it can start waxing lyrical about FIFA's governance.
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All has the smell of stitch up. Time for FIFA to be disbanded.
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JUST IN: a message from FIFA to the FA.
"Show me the money. Show ME the money. Show ME the MONEY. SHOW ME THE MONEY."
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Can someone tell me what happened with the sworn testimony in the Sunday Times from some FIFA whistleblower???
I saw Sepp's press conference yesterday and he suggested that no such person existed?!
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there's a lot of heat and noise here but nothing that will change anything in the short term. The views of individual fans are irrelevant here unless that gets translated into pressure on sponsors.
Having a go at our FA to do something isn't useful as there's precious little more they can do without support from the FAs of other nations. Part of the problem here is we haven't been particularly good at winning friends on the international stage and another bloody lecture on fairness from us just won't go down well.
A proper boycott with sponsors may work but other nations need to care about this. We possinbly care more as we think we lost out in the recent world cup bid - this has been going on for decades without us wanting to address it and that's a sad fact we have to own up to. It's easy to depict us as bad losers unless we have others standing alongside us saying the same things. We look rather alone at the moment.
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everyday is Groundhog day with those cretins
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The views of individual fans are irrelevant here unless that gets translated into pressure on sponsors...make the switch to Pepsi..yeah?
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There is no better example of an industry being run by self-serving, jobs for the boys type bureaucrats than in the world of football. That includes the unions, *cough* Gordon Taylor.
If it really is the people's game, then a revolution must be in the offing.
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@stevegrant
There are countless problems with the governance of the game in this country, caused mainly by the toothlessness of the FA, particularly in its dealings with the Premier League.word
The FA has minimal credibility and has been presented with evidence of the failings of its own governance before now without making the necessary change. The Burns Review in 05 should have led to a significant restructure of the FA but still we have a select committee this year finding the same old failings present in the FA.
The FA at least now get the opportunity to point at someone else and say "but they're worse!"
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THIS is what English sour grapes can do!
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Nothing will be done unless the sponsors stick their oar in; so please
Coke
McDonalds
Bud
pull your collective fingers out and do something that warrants your unhealthy brands being associatied with football
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Given the bickering, the suspensions, the allegations and so on, is it not arguable that Blatter has shown utter incompency in his leadership of FIFA?
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I'd love to know what Batter's definition of a crisis is if he doesn't think this is one.
However, nothing at all will change unless FIFA's sponsors start getting angsty. And I don't see that happening just yet.
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Its been known for years that Blatter et al are totally corrupt so why has it taken til now to say anything about it?
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I know appeals to FIFA would be like screaming in the midst of a cyclone but:
To: FIFA From: AUSTRALIANS
WE WANT OUR $45.2 Million BACK - You bunch of crooks!
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The only way to put pressure on FIFA is to start boycotting the sponsors. Hit Coca-Cola, Adidas and the rest in the pocket, that'll start making some people wake up. The last thing Sony needs right now is another kicking at the shops after the PSN scandal.
I also feel that we need to resign from FIFA, surely we have support from USA and Australia as well as the other British FA's. If we feel that strongly, then walk away.
International football has long been tainted by corruption at the highest level and this is an organisation that isn't even answerable to their own members. This is arrogance on the grandest scale.
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The hypocracy of the FA is astounding.
(1) Only a few days ago they sent a "final" report to FIFA saying there was no foundation to the allegations by Lord Triesman.
(2) They are a "dinosaur" of an organisation that is virtually completely out of touch with football and its administration.
(3) Like FIFA they need to be dismantled and restructured on 21st Century principles not the 19th Century principles that reign now.
As for FIFA they are all concerned with maintaining the status quo and the sinecures that enable them to maintain their high profile, self serving roles.
Lord Triesman stand up and take a bow you at least tried to expose Jack Warner for what he was.
Dave Richards you have done for the FA what you did for Sheffield Wednesday in that you are as third tier as they are.
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Over the next 10 hours or so we will bring you the latest news and reaction ahead of tomorrow's Fifa presidential election, with our reporters David ConnLOL!!!! Looks like we have the right man for this assignment.
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Maybe Sepp has been taking leadership lessons from Muammar or Robert.
He certainly displays all of the traits and behaviour of a deluded, mentally ill dictator that can't see his time is up.
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@colddebtmountain
Given the bickering, the suspensions, the allegations and so on, is it not arguable that Blatter has shown utter incompency in his leadership of FIFA?Blatter is not the problem. Get rid of Blatter and FIFA's governance would still be poor.
FIFA is built on the various confederations and federations that make up FIFAs membership. There are significant flaws in many of those organisations and they'll remain no matter who is in power. It's the flaws in FIFA that have led to Blatter's leadership rather than the other way around - he serves his constituency well.
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Do not look to the sponsors for salvation. They're part of the problem. What used to be an enjoyable sport for players and spectators has become a vehicle for greedy exploitation and speculation. Huge corporate sponsorship only exacerbates that to the detriment of ordinary supporters.
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The swagger and arrogance of Blatter leaves me gobsmacked! He has all the charm and grace of a Middle East or Stalinist dictator clinging to power. He clearly sees FIFA as his own personal fiefdom (sorry) and those who deign to challenge him as inferior oiks. As FIFA is revealed as the corruption infested gravy train that we always suspected it was, he talks about sorting things out within the family.
As a season ticket holder of a premiership club I look forward to the referendum on Blatter's future...
...oh did he not mean me as a member of the family? I suppose he means the family of bloated apparatchiks he uses to insulate himself against the world.
The bumbling incompetence and feudal conceit that Blatter displays (a head of an international orgtanization that cannot even speak English properly - "what is a crisis?" babbling fool that he is) would condemn any other functionary in government or business to imminent retirement. Now we should see how corrupt FIFA really is. Things are pretty clear now: either the person who has presided over this festering turd of an "organization"should be kicked out, with his acolytes to boot, or the English FA should quit FIFA in protest.
Who needs the world cup anyway? It's clubs that drive the game, and the grassroots...a constituency that FIFA lost touch with years ago.
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If FIFA were a north African country NATO would be bombing them by now.
Time for Sepp to be 'stepped aside'?
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FIFA treat football fans like a feudal baron treated serfs.
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As above nothing will happen until the major sponsors start asking for changes, so e-mail / write to their various headquarters advising you will be boycotting their produts until they enforce changes at FIFA and /or withdraw support. If enough of us do that then things will change, but sadly I can't see enough people making the effort.
My e-mails are already on their way.
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I tend to agree with others here in thinking that the FA could be be seen to be deflecting criticsm of it's own failings and the rest of the world thinking "sour grapes".
What is required now is for a credible support for their stand from some of the larger nations otherwise money will continue to do the talking, or not in an open governance sense,
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We need a breakaway from the Thiefa cleptocracy, let Blatter and his cronies continue to lord it over the poorer nations who are more than willing to accept and offer bribes. Time to bring it down or start again, is Platini playing a clever waiting game? Only he can save the whole sorry situation, time for footballs governing body to get back to football and get out of politiics.
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I believe Cheryl Cole is free, and she certainly has some experience in footballers: maybe she could stand?
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The only way to put pressure on FIFA is to start boycotting the sponsors. Hit Coca-Cola, Adidas and the rest in the pocket, that'll start making some people wake up. The last thing Sony needs right now is another kicking at the shops after the PSN scandal.sure but we're not a key market for many of these brands. The UK has a mature market and a fairly competitive one - profits can only really grow by increments as most people are aware of these brands. If you look at where the world cup has been and is going then it's often towards developing markets where the sponsors have the most to gain in developing their businesses. Get the russians, brazilians, indians, chinese and south africans to boycott coke and then there'll be pressure. In some of those countries though they have higher priorities when it comes to political reform than football though.
Pressure can still tell but it would have to be significant - a few 1000 people on twitter tweeting about how rubbish coke is, without significantly changing their purchasing or getting others to follow their lead won't do much. And if you haven't moved from Sony after their recent problem I really doubt this will tip you over the edge - it's peripheral.
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Don't let undoubted FIFA corruption and Blatter misrule hide the shambles that is also the administratio of English football, and the FA it provides to the fans....
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so e-mail / write to their various headquarters advising you will be boycotting their produts until they enforce changes at FIFAor just send a horse's head to Blatter
on a platter
Woohooo
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Sepp Blather was at his head in the sand finest yesterday.
The biggest problem the FA have in trying to take the high road is that it's not much less of a joke than FIFA. Where was all the outrage about requests for "special favours" before the England bid got two votes (one of which the FA's own)? Lord Triesman providing evidence? He's a laughingstock. Then there was the FA "promising" Germany that England wouldn't bid for the 2006 tournament. That worked out well. Mark Palios?
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The problem seems to be a structure in which one person or a given group of people have fantastic power to make decisions and to handle other people's money.
A solution would be (for FIFA and other transnational bodies of similar character) for each member country to name a couple of dozen people and then for only one vote from each country to be counted and for it to be selected randomly from the couple of dozen.
Thus you would have to bribe (or attempt to bribe) many more people and the chances of it remaining a secret diminish rapidly. Also it would cost you a lost more.
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Time Blatter was gone. He's a dictator. Once on the gravy train these folk just can't let go and will twist and turn to stay in the job.
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Does the rest of the footballing world order REALLY care about this fued between England and FIFA? Corruption is a natural part of any influential organisation afterall, and the governing bodies running the worlds most powerful footballing nations are already well served by FIFA.
I would guarantee that the bodies in countries like France (1998), Japan (2002), Germany (2006) and South Africa (2010) all played the game.
So they will quite gladly turn a blind eye to this because they have been down the alley and know how it works. They will be implicated also.
The English will not get an ounce of support behind their accusations against FIFA from UEFA either.
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The FA knew all of this, and doubtless a lot more that we are yet to discover, before they went through the process of fellating the FIFA committee in a failed bid process. They do not now have the credibility to lead the charge against a toxic, corrupt organisation which they are part of. Had England got 2018 there would not have been a peep and many of these 'campaigning' journalists would have kept quiet.
The FA/media should have been shining a spotlight on all of this fraud, theft, patronage and feudal politics long before now.
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It would be good if key players spoke out .... but that is unlikely to happen (only Gary Neville might have done in the past). The sponsors and TV corporations are the ones who have to do something ... if they really want to do, that is. You have the feeling they are all thick as thieves together.
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As usual people underestimate the power of the UK. English premiership football is the most popular in the world...by a country mile. This is one of the reasons that England didn't get the World Cup...massive resentment by footbal's bureaucrats. The English FA should start to represent the history and traditions of the game, and this means regarding football's family as the fans and grassroots participants. A world cup without England would simply be flawed, even if we are crap. If we can take a few European nations with us (Germany, France) then the whole of FIFA would come tumbling down.
Sadly though there is far too much jealousy at the way the grassroots passion for English soccer turns into high revenues and top quality clubs. Even EUFA is tainted by this anglophobia. But at the end of the day they know that the home of the game still plays a massive part in the game's development. England and the other home FA's need to take a stance. The fans demand it. And we ultimately are the paymasters, and one way or another, we will be heard.
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This guy should definitely not be president of FIFA. There should be some sort of age limit for one and more importantly no officer should serve more than two terms. To see all this happening under his presidency and still have the brass neck to run for President is bad enough, time to go Blatter nobody respects you any more.
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I would be happy for the FA to withdraw from FIFA. It's a very bold step and if others don't follow then England is an outcast for years.
I assume they are speaking behind the scenes with a few of the other associations and it will be interesting to see if anything happens. That's the only way to get Blatter out and force change.
It seems that FIFA is so flawed that it is probably easier to start again.
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A new broom sweeps clean If FIFA is to retain any credibility, there needs to be new leadership followed by a vigorous and transparent inquiry.
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I reckon the FA should go the whole hog and sever all ties with FIFA, pull out of the world cup (won't win it anyway, might not qualify) claim Footie as our invention and give Blatter a big Sid James-style raspberry and two fingers.
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Step 1 - delete FIFA
Step 2 - delete FA
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Re: Selection of Venue for the World Cup.
This seems to be the spark that ignites the corruption so why not have an agreed rota for all forthcoming World Cups when the selection of Venue becomes automatic?
If the country next in line is unable or unwilling the Venue would pass to the next in the rota and so on down to the country who has the money or facilities to carry out the hosting.
Everyone would then have a chance in rotation and only the proof of enablement would then be examined by FIFA. If that proved negative then the next in line would be offered the hosting and so on.
We should not be surprised by the goings-on at FIFA, corruption in a capitalist setup is endemic. In the West we avoid the stigma of the word Corruption by calling it something that sounds more decent, Lobbying.......much the same only somehow acceptable by the West - and well hidden.
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First decent thing the FA has done in a long time. I think we'll find that we played along with the corruption game as much as anyone else which made it impossible for anyone to actually say anything. Jack Warner has turned whistleblower and I hope others follow.
I would much rather we boycotted the World cup than perpetuated the corruption.
Again the FA have been inert due in part to not wishing to be seen as hypocritical. Why do we need a multi-billion dollar organisation headed by a 75 year old tyrant on a huge salary to organise the world cup ? Lots of people would do it for free. Why do we need a muitl-million pound organisation headed by stuffed shirts on huge salaries to organise the domestic game ?
The bit that really caught my attention is the sight of the lavish headquarters of these FAs. In countries like ours it's irritating, in countries like Jack Warner's it's ethically criminal.
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'Keeping it in the family' reminded me of the Godfather, and everything implyed with it.
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