Rwanda: Economic sanctions from Western Donors

[Keykey]

North Kivu province of Eastern DRC is practically part of Rwanda, and has always been managed indirectly from Kigali. Since the peace agreement with General Nkunda's CNDP in March 2009, the former rebels who were supposedely to be integrated in the national FARDC refused to be deployed to other parts of the country and remained in samer areas under Bosco Ntaganda with close links to Kigali.
The government in Kinshasa made several reforms in the provincial administration but could not do anything with the army units in the area. That's why it was easy to control many areas once they mutinied under M23.

A syndicate of businessmen controlling Norht Kivu's economy; ranging from coffee exports to minerals all trades through Kigale to access international market. The army units are incharge of taxation in the area; there areas under AFDL (former Hutu rebels) and there are others under CNDP (now M23). You will be suprised that both groups do not have hostility against each other and both are linked to Kigali.

Most of what was Interahamwe went back to Rwanda after the Amnesty through local courts and many others dispersed to different parts of the world. What is now remaining in North Kivu under FDLR is political group that is being used by Kigali to legitimise their siege in this part of DRC.

The show has just began, wondering what is the donor community looking for in the strongman in Kigali. I suspect this must have something to do with Anglo-franco stuggle for influence, unless otherwise France also does the same as other EU donor countries.

 

[BINARY NO]

Rwanda should do its best to overcome this embarrassing aid by the west...They are the one who bring more trouble to the world, we all know! W e all know which state was behind Rwanda Genocide but we didnt witness any of those states blaming to the UN..ofkoz this parent-child relationship should never tolerated in developing nations as we are not under their supervsion...It is high time for Rwanda to become superpower like IRAN through this sanctions

 

[Roulette]

There is some truth in what you say but please allow me to clarify some issues :

North Kivu province of Eastern DRC is practically part of Rwanda, and has always been managed indirectly from Kigali. Since the peace agreement with General Nkunda's CNDP in March 2009, the former rebels who were supposedely to be integrated in the national FARDC refused to be deployed to other parts of the country and remained in samer areas under Bosco Ntaganda with close links to Kigali.
The government in Kinshasa made several reforms in the provincial administration but could not do anything with the army units in the area. That's why it was easy to control many areas once they mutinied under M23.

I would say YES, the security remained under CNDP forces as they refused to be redeployed but the adminitration was under the provincial government and under the scrutiny of the civil society. The City of Goma has close ties with Rwanda (Goma and Gisenyi are practcally siames, but in "Le grand Nord" (Beni, Butembo) where most of the population of North Kivu is, there is no ties or whatsoever between the Nandes and Rwanda. I'd say they have more tes wiht the neighboding Uganda.

A syndicate of businessmen controlling Norht Kivu's economy; ranging from coffee exports to minerals all trades through Kigali to access international market. The army units are incharge of taxation in the area; there areas under AFDL (former Hutu rebels) and there are others under CNDP (now M23). You will be suprised that both groups do not have hostility against each other and both are linked to Kigali.

Correct! but you probably meant FDLR, not AFDL (AFDL was the armed group that "liberated" the Congo under Mzee Kabila. the group became political and is now PPRD)

Most of what was Interahamwe went back to Rwanda after the Amnesty through local courts and many others dispersed to different parts of the world. What is now remaining in North Kivu under FDLR is political group that is being used by Kigali to legitimise their siege in this part of DRC.

There has never been such a thing, whoever is back in Rwanda must face legal sanction if he commited a crime (even if they have to cook some for him) the problem seem to be that Rwandans don't want to solve their issues. There is no doubt that some of the FDLR are being used to justify Rwandan presence in the Congo but there is also a genuine concern about FDLR leaders not being able to interact with the Rwandan Government. What the international community should do is to request from the Rwandan Government a dialogue with all Rwandans living abroad, mostly those in the DRC.

The show has just began, wondering what is the donor community looking for in the strongman in Kigali. I suspect this must have something to do with Anglo-franco stuggle for influence, unless otherwise France also does the same as other EU donor countries.

The situation between Rwanda and France has always been tense, the francophone community lost Rwanda in 1994 when President Kagame accused France of not stopping the genocide when they could, and France accusing Kagame of organizing the killing of Abyarimana that triggered the genocide.

 

[NICK2275]

rwanda deserve fustigation

 

[FJM]

"This is laughable and displays gross ignorance"
President Kagame on his Twitter on the 27th of July 2012

Naona Rwanda inaanza kuwa kama series ya Mr Bean.

What is laughable is the fact that Rwanda has the audacity to around looking for support from other African nations, becuase by doing so they are essentially telling Africa to keep a blind eye on what is happening in DRC.

 

[Profesa]

Aren't we sure that Mr Kagame has refused to get into a certain deal with the Westerns? Aren't we sure that China instead or Russia is in? Isn't the case that they were all very much aware even included in supporting kust that some deals went wrong? In Iran, Russia is the engineer, techno provider and supplier of the Nucs projects, but he is never mentioned in most of the critics and conflict, so whom to trust?

 

[Roulette]

Naona Rwanda inaanza kuwa kama series ya Mr Bean.

What is laughable is the fact that Rwanda has the audacity to around looking for support from other African nations, becuase by doing so they are essentially telling Africa to keep a blind eye on what is happening in DRC.

In fact President Kabila who never atends the AU summits made an exception this time as he intended to talk to other African Leaders and ask the NOT TO SUPPORT RWANDA's candidacy to the Security Council. Behind him was South Africa, Angola, Mozambique and others.
Then there was this one on one meeting between presidents Kabila and Kagame (both did not say what the discussed), and President Kabila did not interfere in the Rwandan plea. Yesterday in his press conference president Kabila said that apparently Kigali is not doing what they agreed upon, so he will continue with his diplomatic warfare to discredit the Rwandan government (alongside the diplomatic warfare he mentioned internal political tactics and military offensive).
The show is on.

 

[Keykey]

In fact President Kabila who never atends the AU summits made an exception this time as he intended to talk to other African Leaders and ask the NOT TO SUPPORT RWANDA's candidacy to the Security Council. Behind him was South Africa, Angola, Mozambique and others.

You just said it! Rwanda is due to take their position in the UN's Security council for 2 years, being East African our official position is supporting Kigali however with what is going on in the diplomatic circles, I can see a potential embarrassment in this.

 

[kigwambaye]

Tafadhari wanajamii tembeleeni haka ka you tube ndo mpate picha ya DRC- kanahuzunisha sana sana sana.
Crisis In The Congo: Uncovering The Truth - YouTube

 

[Choi]

I used to think that Kagame was a clean man!

 

[Bukyanagandi]

Naona Rwanda inaanza kuwa kama series ya Mr Bean.

What is laughable is the fact that Rwanda has the audacity to around looking for support from other African nations, becuase by doing so they are essentially telling Africa to keep a blind eye on what is happening in DRC.

Oh yes, a clever ploy mkuu.

 

[Koba]

****** Congolese wanashindwa manage nchi yao wanabaki kulaumu Kagame,na wengi humu hamna idea na nini kinaendelea Congo mmebaki kusikiliza propaganda,kuna factions zaidi ya tano zinapigana Congo kwa sasa na upuuzi wa kuwaunganisha Banyamurenge na Kigali hazitawasaidia Congolese kupata amani,kina Ntaganda(banyamurenge wa asili ya tutsi) wana jeshi kubwa na utajiri mkubwa sana na hawamuhitaji Kagame kuwasaidia,tatizo ni Congolese wenyewe wanashindwa kukaa chini na kuelewana maana chuki,ukabila na upuuzi umewajaa,hao banyamulenge wako millions for hundrelds of yrs huko Congo na ni matajiri sana then leo unawaambia they are not Congolese,Banyamulenge wana pesa kuliko Kigali na hawahitaji anything from Kigali wana control almost mining zote na business zote huko eastern Congo na Kinshasa wanajua hilo na wanaelewa hawana uwezo wa kupigana nao wamebaki kupiga kelele kama watoto tuu na kulaumu kigali kufunika matatizo yao...na UN with billion dollar budget ndani ya Congo wanajua amani ikipatikana ulaji ndio mwisho so acha waje na hivyo vi report vyao to justify their presence,tatizo la Kagame na Congo ni FDLR ambao nao sasa ni so weak wamebaki kama vibaka tuu msituni,tatizo la Congo ni Congolese na si kigali

 

[Gama]

****** Congolese wanashindwa manage nchi yao wanabaki kulaumu Kagame,na wengi humu hamna idea na nini kinaendelea Congo mmebaki kusikiliza propaganda,kuna factions zaidi ya tano zinapigana Congo kwa sasa na upuuzi wa kuwaunganisha Banyamurenge na Kigali hazitawasaidia Congolese kupata amani,kina Ntaganda(banyamurenge wa asili ya tutsi) wana jeshi kubwa na utajiri mkubwa sana na hawamuhitaji Kagame kuwasaidia,tatizo ni Congolese wenyewe wanashindwa kukaa chini na kuelewana maana chuki,ukabila na upuuzi umewajaa,hao banyamulenge wako millions for hundrelds of yrs huko Congo na ni matajiri sana then leo unawaambia they are not Congolese,Banyamulenge wana pesa kuliko Kigali na hawahitaji anything from Kigali wana control almost mining zote na business zote huko eastern Congo na Kinshasa wanajua hilo na wanaelewa hawana uwezo wa kupigana nao wamebaki kupiga kelele kama watoto tuu na kulaumu kigali kufunika matatizo yao...na UN with billion dollar budget ndani ya Congo wanajua amani ikipatikana ulaji ndio mwisho so acha waje na hivyo vi report vyao to justify their presence,tatizo la Kagame na Congo ni FDLR ambao nao sasa ni so weak wamebaki kama vibaka tuu msituni,tatizo la Congo ni Congolese na si kigali

mchango wako ni contradicting, unakiri kuwa factions zinazopigana east drc ni nyingi na matajiri but una tenga kundi la Ntaganda kuwa ni maskini?!. Kuna evidence za ushirikiano wa kigali na rebels wewe unalikana hilo?!. Hizo propaganda zako zitazidi kumgalimu Sir Paulo.

 

[Gama]

Ukisoma au kuangalia documentary iitwayo Darwin's nightmare utaona kua insecurity in the Great Lakes Region of Africa inasababishwa na availability of small weapons toka Russia, na Mwanza ndio imekua entry port ya silaha hizo (zinakuja na ndege zenye kupeleka samaki aina ya Nile perch). The DRC, Rwanda, and Burundi can only absorb so much weapon before they start overflowing into Kenya and Tanzania. Ukiona mwenzio ananyolewa ... Soma hapa: https://www.jamiiforums.com/habari-...ilishwa-kwa-gunia-la-mahindi.html#post4287872
What the Government should do, as an emergency, ni kuziba tundu hilo linalo ingiza silaha, na kuongeza control over refugees and shephereds from Rwanda and Burundi. wengi wao wanaingia kupitia njia za panya na sometimes wanakuja na silaha.

non spuriousness needed by Tanzanians on this matter, coment yako on flow ya silaha katika greatlakes region ni myopic, self centred na echnocentric. Watanzania wengi wanadhani kuwa mkimbizi anaweza kuleta silaha ndani ya tanzania lakini mtanzania mwenye uchu wa fedha hawezi kuifuata silaha huko(kama zipo), inashangaza. Expert report ilionesha kuwa watanzania walikuwa waki-smuggle siraha to burundi na drc, hapa kuna kizuizi gani kwa mtanzania kuuza baadhi ya silaha nchini kwake?. . Watanzania tukipunguza negative eye kwa neighbor na tuka look evil on ourself ndipo tutakuwa tunakaribia kutatua tatizo.

 

[Roulette]

non spuriousness needed by Tanzanians on this matter, coment yako on flow ya silaha katika greatlakes region ni myopic, self centred na echnocentric. Watanzania wengi wanadhani kuwa mkimbizi anaweza kuleta silaha ndani ya tanzania lakini mtanzania mwenye uchu wa fedha hawezi kuifuata silaha huko(kama zipo), inashangaza. Expert report ilionesha kuwa watanzania walikuwa waki-smuggle siraha to burundi na drc, hapa kuna kizuizi gani kwa mtanzania kuuza baadhi ya silaha nchini kwake?. . Watanzania tukipunguza negative eye kwa neighbor na tuka look evil on ourself ndipo tutakuwa tunakaribia kutatua tatizo.

Did you read my first paragraph before you accuse me of being myopic, self centred and ethnocentric? (Out of topic, I don't even think that these three words-in red- apply to express what your argument accuse me of-in bold hapo juu). Please read my first paragraph and tell me if Mwanza is in a neighboring country.

 

[Michael Paul]

06, August 2012 | East African Business Week

The Rwanda government has said even without donor aid, Rwanda will survive.

Foreign Minister Louise Mushikiwabo told the press that Rwanda has proven over time that it can withstand the toughest of conditions and this will be no different albeit with difficulties.

"With or without aid, Rwandans will not give up, we shall fend for ourselves as we have always done, in any case, we have done so before," she said.

A visibly stressed Mushikiwabo added her government has dealt with several reports full of false allegations before and no matter how long it took, in the end, the truth vindicated them.

She cited the long running allegations by the French that Paul Kagame's rebel group shot down the late Habyarima's plane setting off the genocide, but the matter was recently laid to rest with RPF being cleared of all charges by a French judge. On the significance of the threatened aid cuts, Mushikiwabo admitted that though her country needs aid, it's not entirely the basis of Rwanda's prosperity.

"Come to think of it, over 50% of our budget is domestically funded and though the balance is expected from aid, you can't dismiss our own efforts as Rwandans and if we need to survive without aid, we shall do it," she noted.

But she added that Rwanda needn't fear as the country has many friends who have stood by it since the end of the genocide.

Meanwhile, Rwanda's Minister of Finance and Economic Planning has revealed that the Government will be forced to increase domestic borrowing to counter the impact of delays in disbursement of funds to the national budget by donors.

The UK government said it was delaying disbursement of £16m ($25m) in budget support due this month 'while it considered whether aid conditions had been met.'

Germany suspended $26m to Rwanda's budget planned from this year through 2015, while the Netherlands delayed US$6.15m also in budget support. Though Rwangobwa sounded optimistic that affairs will improve concerning the UK, he added that Netherlands and Germany were not clear in their decision saying it's compromising the policy on aid effectiveness.

Rwanda plans to boost its national 2012/13 budget, with Rwf297 billion from development partners in form of direct budget support compared to Rwf279 billion in 2011/12. The aid delays came after reports that alleging that Rwanda is supporting M23, a rebel group in the Democratic Republic of Congo, allegations Rwanda has denied.

Rwanda meets accusers
On Monday last week, Rwanda submitted to the UN Sanctions Committee its rebuttal on allegations contained in an addendum to a Group of Experts report that claims Kigali is backing the M23 rebels, who have, over the last two months, seized parts of eastern Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC).

"There wasn't a trace of truth in their allegations and we have provided evidence and facts that will only expose the report as some dark plot aimed at an equally darker agenda," said Foreign Minister, Mushikiwabo.

 

[IGWE]

Yeah_sometimes inabidi tuuseme ukweli hata kama unauma,....tumepokea hiyo misaada zaidi ya nusu karne sasa...lakn haina manufaa kabisa,....ngoja rwanda wajaribu kujitegemea kwa asilimia zote_hope they will make it.....keep it up kagame

 

[ITEGAMATWI]

Safi sana Kagame!I really appreciates your attitude!!

 

[Nivea]

i need .......i will turn tanzania into heaven where to get thia alal amount,..jk

 

[Mlisa]

Aid has made most of African countries to become dommant. They can no longer think about better means of making revenue. Iran it is what it is today because it depends to no one. It's time for African countries to stop depending on donor aid but then utilize every little resource that they have in there own country. The only advise I can give to the Rwandan government is to make a serious investment towards the human resource so that they can be able to compete in other Africa countries like Tanzania and many other foreign countries. Dubai it's is what we see it today because of human resource. OIL only contributes 6%of there GDP.
It's also a better time for African countries to stop cooperating with Europian countries but only be with Asian countries like China, India and Iran. This are the only countries which can help us with there technology through making local investments thus make us learn from them interms of production and local investments.No Europian country which want to see a industrialized Africa.