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Russians Once Again Killed The Polish Elite As They Did 70 Years Ago

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  1. X-PASTER

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    Russians once again killed the Polish elite as they did 70 years ago

    Publication time: 14 April 2010, 15:29

    [​IMG] The world continues to discuss the death of the Polish elite in the Russian plane crash on Russian territory. More and more analysts say Lech Kaczynski was killed by the bosses of the Kremlin KGB regime.

    Some observers remind that several years ago, the leader of North Korea refused to fly to Moscow choosing the railroad and frankly said he could be killed by the Russian FSB under the order of Putin if he flies. He definitely knew who Putin and the Russians are.

    Speaking in Warsaw, a well-known activist of the 1970 struggle against the Russian occupiers, the former Polish President Lech Walesa said back on April 10, 2010:

    "The elite of Poland had been killed, just as 70 years ago, in a Russian massacre".

    Commenting on Walesa, an American journalist, Anthony J. Martin, in the programme The Liberty Sphere Report indicated:



    "Walesa suspects the Russian government in this tragedy. We know that Russian president Putin did not get along with Poland's President who has been a staunch anti-Marxist and a close ally of the United States for 20 years.

    We also know that Russia has been eager to get back the countries that it lost when the old Soviet Union broke up in the 1980s. Such as Georgia, for example.

    And we know that Russia sent it military into Georgia, which raised the specter of another Cold War several years back.

    Poland would be another easy target for Russia, since it was the first country in the old Soviet bloc that openly defied Marxism and rose up in defiance causing a civil disobedience against the Soviet Union.

    We also know that Poland has been beneficial and valued ally of the United States and that it has been lobbying the United States very heavily over the past few years for a defensive missile shield against Russia...

    They were ready to get the defensive missile shield until Barack Obama became President of the United States".

    An American political weekly The Week writes:

    "Doubters of the official version point out that Kaczynski fiercely criticized Moscow's military activity in Chechnya and Georgia, and are asking if Russia may have strategized the crash".

    The German newspaper Die Welt drew attention of its readers to that one Russian crime covers another. Janusz Kurtyka, the president of the Polish Institute of National Remembrance, who has been investigating since 2008 the murder by the Russians in 1943 in a set up air crash over Gibraltar of the head of the Polish government in exile, General Sikorski, has been killed in the Katyn 2 near Smolensk.

    Sikorsky protested against the killing by the Russians of some 22 thousand imprisoned Polish officers and generals in the Katyn forest near Smolensk in 1940. This Russian crime was uncovered in 1943.

    "Friends of Russia" in the West are in a state of horror.

    "Many people believe it this would further complicate relations between Poland and Moscow", the magazine quoted a certain Matt Syusman from the pro-Russian blog "technocrats", but it is not explaining why this is bad for Poland and for the civilized world in general.

    Another "friend of Russia", a somebody named Moynihan, a journalist from Massachusetts, is also in a depressive mood. He writes in an edition called in the eloquent Masonic "The Reason":

    "The inevitable happened, though slightly earlier than I have anticipated".

    Ukrainians are outraged by impunity of the murder of President of Poland. In the most popular political Web forum of the country, where the KC article "Putin suspected in the murder of President Lech Kaczynski" is being discussed now, they wrote:

    "The countries of old Europe swallowed the act of nuclear terrorism (during the Putin's FSB assassination of Litvinenko with polonium 210 in London). They think that they are concerned only indirectly. But - impunity creates IMPUDENCE. The Kaczynski's murder is a Putin-style typical operation of the FSB. Even if no direct evidence would be ever found, all speaks about who did it. The list of victims of Soviet # 2 KGB Incorporated is being added. Wait for more!".

    Meanwhile, the international terrorist organization of the FSB Russia, caught in flagranti in another gristly and beastly terrorist crime, has burst into frenzied insults against those who seek the truth.

    "The most "delighted" with the death of Western Slavs are those festering sores that carry out blasts in the subway and kill civilians on the territory of Russia. Terrorists and separatists-supporting regimes are openly trying to gather a political capital on the blood of the Poles and to drive in the stake into difficult relations between the two countries", writes, for example, a mouthpiece of Russian terrorists in the Russian-occupied Ural, the UralDaily.

    Curiously, according to many experts, the Russians, unlike the Poles, are not Slavs at all. According to recent research, the Russians are a mixture between Mongols and Finno-Ugrics, slavied by a church language, who had waived their ancestors. That is why the Russians always fiercely hated the Poles and viewed them as ethnic enemies.

    Let's note that the insults by Russian gangsters from the international terrorist organization of the FSB Russia only strengthens a suspicion of the KGB involvement in the murder of the Polish President Lech Kaczynski.
     
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    mbona wanasema rubani aliamabiwa akatue uwanja mwingine sababu kulikuwa na ukungu mwingi akawa mkaidi ajaion yeyeni mzoefu wa ku lannd ndee kwenye maeneo ya baridi.
     
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    Sidhani kama Putin anaweza kuwa mjinga kiasi hicho kwa kuamua kuua all those important people in Poland. Kama amefanya hivyo basi ajiandae kuona rangi zote za dunia hii mbele ya macho yake!
     
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    ni kosa la rubani tu ama rais mwenyewe alimulazimisha rubani kutua hapo. Poland serikali inaundwa na waziri mkuu na ndiye mwenye baraza la mawaziri. Waziri mkuu wa poland yani Donald Tusk anatoka chama kingine tofauti na chama cha maremu Rais Kaczynski ,na huyu Tusk siku zote hawaelewani na Kanzynski walikuwa wanagombana kila mara nani awakirishe mahala fulani.

    Ikubukwe kuwa waziri mkuu wa poland anapigiwa kura na wananchi hateuliwi kama wa kwetu na pia Rais naye anapigiwa kura na wananchi, kwa njisi ilivyokuwa Rais yani marehemu Kanczyski alikuwa kama malikia tu yeye kutia saini tu na serikali yote ni ya waziri mkuu na chama chake yani Tusk.

    Kilichotokea ktk maazimisho hayo ya Katyn waziri mkuu wa urusi yani Putin alimwalika waziri Mkuu wa poland yani Tusk na maazimisho hayo yakafanyika jtano. Sasa kwa vile Rais ana beef akaona amedhalilishwa hivyo naye akajiandalia maadhimisho yake akakusanya watu harakaharak jmamosi wakapanda ndege kuelekea huko katyn na walipanda wakiwa wamechelewa.

    Wakiwa wamechelewa na wanasubiliwa kwa hamu kwa ufunguzi, na wakiwa angani watu wa Beralus walimwambia rubani huko anakokwenda kumetanda ukungu hivyo ashuke Beralus ama moskow na moskow nao wakamwambia vivyo hivyo lakini Rubani alikaa kimya hakujibu maswali ama mawaidha hayo.

    Na ikubukwe pia kabla ya ndege hiyo, ktk uwanja huo huo nusu saa ilikuwa imeshatuwa ndege ya waandishi kutoka poland. Kwa hiyo inaonekana wenda alikaidi mawaidha hayo kwa sababu ya shinikizo la wakubwa ndani ama alijiona ataoneka hajuwi kazi maana ndege ya waandishi ilikuwa imeshatua hapohapo.

    Kuhusu Putin, uwezekano mkubwa si kweli maana asingeweza kupanga mashambulizi kwa mda mfupi maana ni rais mwenye ndiye alijiandalia safari dakika za majeruhi .
     
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    huwezi jua,hawa warusi wendawazimu,unakumbuka wali-shot down passenger aircraft ya south korea na kuua abiria wote(sikumbuki mwaka ila ni 80's),ndege hio iliingia kwenye anga yao kwa bahati mbaya.
    kwa ubabe wao wakawahi eneo la ajali wakachomoa FDR(BLACKBOX) zilikuja kutolewa baadae sana na YELTSIN BORIS ndio wakakiri kuwa waliitungua hio ndege.
    hawaaminiki hao watu,wanaweza kufanya chochote kwa ubabe wao.
     
  6. Steven Sambali

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    MkamaP:
    Ngoja nikusahihishe kidogo. Waziri Mkuu wa Poland hapigiwi kura na wananchi. Wananchi wanapiga kura kumchagua Rais na pia wanapiga kura kuwachagua Wabunge. Chama kinachoshinda basi kinatengeneza serikali. Ila masharti ni kuwa inabidi uwe na zaidi ya nusu ili utengeneze Serikali. Sasa basi kwa sababu siyo rahisi kuwa na nusu ya wabunge, mara nyingi Vyama vinaungana na kuunda serikali. Mara nyingi chama cha PSL cha Pawlak, kimekuwa kikishirikiana na watu wa mlengo wa kulia na wa kushoto katika kutengeneza serikali. Sasa wakishaungana na kupata nusu ya viti vya SEJM (bunge) ndiyo hapo wanaunda serikali.
    Serikali huundwa kwa kuchagua kwanza Waziri Mkuu. Mara nyingi ni kuwa Waziri Mkuu huwa anatoka chama chenye wabunge wengi (Poslow). Ila ilishatokea chama cha Post Communist cha SLD kilishinda na Boss akiwa Alexander Kwasniewki. Alikataa kuwa Waziri Mkuu na Pawlak waliyeungana naye kwa chama cha PSL akalilia kuwa kama wanataka kuungana wajenge serikali basi yeye lazima apewe U-PM. Akapewa. Ila SLD wakatoa Spiker wa bunge na kuchukua wizara zote nyeti. Ila milele huwa kuna shida moja. Wizara ya mambo ya nchi za nje, mara nyingi ni makubaliano ya Rais na Serikali (PM). Hapa moto huwa unawaka. Uchaguzi ulipokuja, Kwasniewski akagombea Urais (kumbuka aliakataa kuwa PM) na akamshinda LECH WALECA.
    Sasa PM akichaguliwa, chama/vyama vinavyotaka kuunda serikali huwa vinapeleka jina kwa Rais na Rais anampitisha/muapisha. Mara nyingi wanakubaliana kwanza kabla jina halijaenda. PM akipatikana, anapewa baraka na Rais kuunda serikali. Akishapata Mawaziri wote, anakwenda kwa Rais ili aanguke Sahihi na kuwaapisha. Kidogo ni kama Tanzania, ila sema huku PM ana nguvu serikali zaidi ya Rais. Ni yeye anaweza kumuondoa Waziri na si Rais. Pia unaweza kuunda serikali ya Wabunge wachache. Ila kupitisha mambo Bungeni kama bajeti na sheria mbalimbali inakuwa mbinde. Ukiingia kuunda serikali basi unakuwa umefunga ndoa.

    Kuja kwenye NDEGE:

    Ile ndege ilionodoka Warsaw na kabla haijafika hapo kwenye uwanja wa jeshi, kulikuwa na ndege nyingine ya waandishi wa habari ilitua salama. Baadaye ikaja ndege ya kijeshi ya Russia ikajaribu mara mbili ikashindwa na ikaondoka. Kumbuka Warusi wana madege yao mazuri sana na rubani wazuri pia kwa mazingia magumu kama yao. Hata leo, ni ndege za nchi chache sana zilitua kwenye mazishi. Nyingi zikiwa za Ukraine na Russia. Hata Air Force 1 ya Obama iligwaya. Ilipokaribia ndege ya Rais wa Poland, waliambiwa kuwa hali ni mbaya sana na waende sehemu palipo na Civil Airport. Kilichotokea ni kama MkapaP alivyoandika.

    Huyu Rais pana wakati alienda Georgia (Tbilisi). Kukaribia wakaambiwa hali kule ni mbaya na rubani akaenda kutua sehemu nyingine pamoja na kulazimishwa. Ehh, alitukanwa na kuambiwa ni kunguru fulani hivi. Askari kama yeye hawezi kuwa mwoga namna hiyo. Wengine wanadhani kuwa safari hii pia alilazimisha. Wanasema ilipokaribia saa mbili, ukungu uliongezeka kiasi kwamba zaidi ya mita tano, huoni kitu kabisaa.

    Anyway, Blackbox hadi sasa wanadai kuwa NDEGE ilikuwa nzima na injini zilikuwa zikifanya kazi hadi inatua. Blaxbox mbili walizisoma Urusi wakiwa na Wapelelezi wa Urusi na Poland. Hizi ni zile zilikuwa zimewekwa na Warusi wenyewe kwenye ndege (ndege ilikuwa Russian Made) na miezi mitano iliyopita walikuwa wameifanyia matengenezo makubwa na kuweka vifaa vipya kama kile cha kuonyesha height of plane from the ground.
    Blackbox ya TATU waliyokuwa wameiweka Wapolishi wenyewe, wameileta Poland na hadi sasa hawajasema nini wamesoma ndani. Wanadai tu sekundi tano za mwisho, Marubani waligundua wako chini sana na mbali na uwanja, na wakaanza kupump mafuta ili wainyenyue ndege juu, ila bahati mbaya, bawa la ndege liliuvyeka mti na matatizo yakaanza.

    Nasikitika kusema kuwa Lech Waleca, mtu ambaye nje ya Poland anaheshimika saana, Poland ni kituko vulani hivi. Ni msema ovyo na huwa hajali sana nini kitafuata. Hadi leo ana kesi mahakamani na hao Twin Brothers (Rais na kaka yake) na mama mwingine aliyekufa kwenye ndege aitwaye Anna Walentinowicz. Wote huwa wanasema kuwa Waleca ni Legend ambaye au hataki kuwa Legend au hafahamu kuwa ni Legend. Ila ukweli ni kuwa nyuma ya Mafanikio ya Waleca, walikuwepo watu wasomi wa hali ya juu kama hawa Maprofesa Twin Brother Kaczynski, Mazowieski, Prof. Geremek, Jacek Kuron nk nk. Yeye walimtumia kama picha ila waliposhinda, hakurudi kwa Maboss wake na kusema nchi hiyo hapo. Ila alichofanya alipandisha yeye na kuwa Rais. Kutoka hapo, akawa amekosana na wengi sana na zaidi ni hawa Kaczynski Brths.

    Maelezo zaidi na video niliandika hapa
    : http://www.jamiiforums.com/international-forum/58257-polish-leader-96-others-dead-in-russia-jet-crash.html#post877855
     
  7. bona

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    this news is very unrealistic, there is no way russia would want to kill polish leader, they have no reason whatsoever, the plane was technically ok just for the record the TU 153 is among the safest plane on earth! just the heavy fog the pilot could not see the runway and he plumetted the plane into trees and it catch fire nothing out of the ordinary, camon we should be posting reasonable news!
     
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    The truth shall never be known. What will prevail are just conspiracy theories which will never be proven. My advice to Poland would be to pick itself up after this great tragedy and move on with their affairs.
     
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