Real Problem Between Kagame and Kikwete is Snitching

[Demarco]

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War in the DRC Paul Kagame relieved after the meeting of the Security Council of the UN


Paul Kagame is somewhat relieved by the Security Council meeting last Thursday on the war in the DRC. U.S. Secretary of State has just called to see an end to foreign support for rebels in eastern DRC. Rwanda was shot cheaply because the meeting gave birth to a big mouse because it has developed without a declaration called "Declaration of non-interference." Non-interference? This provision is contained in letters of gold in the Framework Agreement Addis Ababa where all signatories, including Rwanda, pledged not to interfere in the affairs of neighbors. This is non-interference. Rwanda has never met his signature and therefore its fixed commitment in the agreement. Because, until July 2013, the country has continued to Paul Kagame support the M23, the report "Human Rights Watch" (HRW) authentic as the dictates of Washington asking him to stop being suspended all its business support M23 and withdraw its troops from the DRC. Military Justice of the DRC has issued international arrest warrants against four leaders of M23 refugees in Rwanda. Rwanda, where these war criminals fled from their defeat in the war factions M23 is forced to engage in the DRC. Kigali can not shirk its responsibilities by seeking evasions as he did with the other war criminal Laurent Nkunda continues to protect to this day. Rwanda must deliver because of the commitment in the Framework Agreement Addis Ababa.

After the strong statement in Washington last Wednesday on the war in eastern DRC, one could expect that the meeting of the Security Council last Thursday could keep the same tone against Rwanda. This has not been the case. The meeting chaired by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry is back on the approach of the jargon. Kerry just called to see an end to foreign support for rebels in eastern DRC.

As for the French Development Minister who took part in this meeting, he hoped "to see the neighboring countries stop their adventure in the DRC." Following the example of the Secretary of State, John Kerry, the French Minister refrained from quoting these aggressors who venture in the DRC despite published reports that are quite instructive in this regard and especially the recent statement of the USA namely cited Rwanda as support M23.

Paul Kagame is somewhat relieved by the Security Council meeting on the war in the DRC which was attended by all the signatories to the Framework Agreement Addis Ababa, the UN Secretary General, his Special Envoy in Great Lakes Mary Robinson, the French Development Minister Pascal Canfin, President of the World Bank and the President of the AU Commission Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma.

Rwanda was shot cheaply because the meeting gave birth to a big mouse because it has developed without a declaration called "Declaration of non-interference." Non-interference? This provision is contained in letters of gold in the Framework Agreement Addis Ababa where all signatories, including Rwanda, pledged not to interfere in the affairs of neighbors.

This is non-interference. Rwanda has never met his signature and therefore its fixed commitment in the agreement. Because, until July 2013, the country has continued to Paul Kagame support the M23, the report "Human Rights Watch" (HRW) authentic as the dictates of Washington asking him to stop being suspended all its business support M23 and withdraw its troops from the DRC.

If Rwanda has trampled upon the commitments made to the UN, the AU, the ICGLR, SADC and the 11 signatories to the Framework Agreement states the he would with a simple statement that n has no power coercion? Not. This statement does not change anything in the politico-military mapping led Rwanda not to meet its commitments regarding the DRC.

 

[MTK]

Snitch or Snatch?!
Nairobi is full of ICC inditees; Kigali is full of potential ICC inditees; Bosco Ntaganda has alredy spilled the beans; to bring JK into the equation is tantamount to running from ones own shadow!!

During the 2007 PEV (read Post Election Violence) in Kenya JK went to sort them out; The 1994 genocide in Rwanda JK was part of the team the worked tirelessly to stem the violence that followed a peace making meeting in Dar. The genocide was triggered by the attack on the plane ferrying the Rwandese and Burundi presidents; Ntaryamira and Habyarimana back home.

The genocide happened in Rwanda not Tz; the PEV took place in Kenya not TZ!; trying to criminalize JK for woes of their own making does not wash at all, and Tanzanians will not take kindly to that sort of behaviour.

 

[Paul S.S]

As funny as it sounds, that a simple advice from Kikwete could trigger such a big rift, not quite. That's not the issue. The real issue is that, Kikwete has been lobbying the west to indict Kagame at ICC for destabilizing DRC. Many leaders in Nairobi calls Kikwete a snitch !

Reliable sources in Both Kigali and Nairobi, have hinted at a possible indictment of Kagame at the ICC for supporting M23 which has been orchestrated by Kikwete

Outburst out of Kikwete's mere advise is just a scapegoat; ICC is the real issue and Kagame henchmen claims that before Kagame is indicted, Kikwete personally, and not Tanzanians must pay a price

"Hatutaki kuamini hayo tunayo yasikia lakini pia hatuta yapuuzia" by JK The President of URT

 

[Mfikirishi]

One thing is very clear here:
Taken from 360 degrees Uhuru Kenyatta, Yoweri Mseveni and Paul Kagame are all alike!
They have joined forces against Tanzania since we denied them the reach of our resources.
The 3 have now taken the total control of the East African Community.
The aim is to throw Tanzania off the EAC and block all kinds of interactions with us.

ADVICE: It is high time now to establish or effectively join other regional integration elsewhere in Africa apart from the EAC because EAC will neither be productive nor sustainable to us.

 

[Stroke]

Tanzania haifaidiki lolote kwa kumu indict kagame ICC, hilo lilikua very likely but mda tu ndio ulikua bado, lakini kwa hivi vitendo vyake, anachochea zaidi kujifikisha huko mapema. Kagame na kigali ni wadogo sana kama nzi, na kelele zake zitaisha mapema tu, woga wake na kelele zake zinatokana na uwepo wa TZ drc, anajua kabisa, madini ya eastern drc ndio anayakosa, na anajua kabisa kuwa hataweza kujenga nchi yake bila madini hayo, si rahisi kwa yeye kukubali mrija wake wa rasilimali za bure ukatwe hivi hivi

 

[maishapopote]

Nairobian,

..there is a saying, "the guilty are always afraid."

..If Kagame was innocent he would never be worried about ICC.

..The fact is the world can not sit in silence while 3 million ppl have perished in DRC.

..Kagame has killed so many ppl in Congo to the point that he can not stop it any more.

..huyu itabidi afie madarakani, lakini akitoka tu ICC watamkamata kama ilivyofanyika kwa Charles Taylor.

NB:

..wa-Kenya kwanini mko so forgetful?

..wakati wa matatizo ya uchaguzi wa Kenya mnajua kuwa Kagame alipendekeza military intervention?

..mmesahau Kikwete alishiriki kusuluhisha, leo mnamuona Kagame na Rwanda ni marafiki kuliko wa-Tanzania??

cc: Jasusi, maishapopote, Mawenzi

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Mkuu Joka kuu,umesema ukweli kabisa,lkn niamini wanaosema kagame ni bloodthirsty tyrant wanakosea sana,kagame ni kichaa kabisa,his mind is out of control kabisa! amechanganyikiwa sana! tatizo kubwa mkuu kuna mambo mengi chini ya carpets ambayo watu wengi hatuyajui....JK anamhit psychologically na anamhit hard ndio maana mnaona anaropoka na kuongea vitu vya ajabu......La kujiuliza ni Kwa nn kiongozi wa FDLR alikuja kuonana na military agent hapa Tanzania?
kwa kuzuga usalama wakamkamata then wakamuachia?
na kwa kuzuga wakawainform wenzao wa rwanda wakamkamata? mambo mengi sana yalianza kuescalate hapo......bahati mbaya sana na wenzetu wa kenya wamepata rais kama kagame! wanafanana kila kitu yetu macho!

 

[King Kong III]

Utter non-sense stop snitchin' buddies.

 

[Ashoboza Kabalim]

When u make a followup closely to the rude reactions testmoned by the Rwanda Government, obviously Kagame is guilty...

 

[makelemo]

As funny as it sounds, that a simple advice from Kikwete could trigger such a big rift, not quite. That's not the issue. The real issue is that, Kikwete has been lobbying the west to indict Kagame at ICC for destabilizing DRC. Many leaders in Nairobi calls Kikwete a snitch !

Reliable sources in Both Kigali and Nairobi, have hinted at a possible indictment of Kagame at the ICC for supporting M23 which has been orchestrated by Kikwete

Outburst out of Kikwete's mere advise is just a scapegoat; ICC is the real issue and Kagame henchmen claims that before Kagame is indicted, Kikwete personally, and not Tanzanians must pay a price

I don't know why Kagame afraid THE ICC if he is innocent, Kikwete is right.

 

[masopakyindi]

As funny as it sounds, that a simple advice from Kikwete could trigger such a big rift, not quite. That's not the issue. The real issue is that, Kikwete has been lobbying the west to indict Kagame at ICC for destabilizing DRC. Many leaders in Nairobi calls Kikwete a snitch !

Reliable sources in Both Kigali and Nairobi, have hinted at a possible indictment of Kagame at the ICC for supporting M23 which has been orchestrated by Kikwete

Outburst out of Kikwete's mere advise is just a scapegoat; ICC is the real issue and Kagame henchmen claims that before Kagame is indicted, Kikwete personally, and not Tanzanians must pay a price

So what?
Kagame is the problem here, he maims and kills in The DRC.
So Kenya is concerned because of the parrallels?
Call it a snitch, it doesent wash!
Real peole are dying in the DRC because of Kagames proxy wars, and he should pay for that.
And pay he must.

 

[uvugizi]

As funny as it sounds, that a simple advice from Kikwete could trigger such a big rift, not quite. That's not the issue. The real issue is that, Kikwete has been lobbying the west to indict Kagame at ICC for destabilizing DRC. Many leaders in Nairobi calls Kikwete a snitch !

Reliable sources in Both Kigali and Nairobi, have hinted at a possible indictment of Kagame at the ICC for supporting M23 which has been orchestrated by Kikwete

Outburst out of Kikwete's mere advise is just a scapegoat; ICC is the real issue and Kagame henchmen claims that before Kagame is indicted, Kikwete personally, and not Tanzanians must pay a price

there is a lot of hear say
Some accuse Tanzania of being close to the Rwandan opposition in exile, including Colonel Patrick Karegeya, Kigali's former intelligence chief now based in South Africa. Karegeya and former army chief of staff Faustin Kayumba Nyamwasa, also exiled in South Africa, formed the opposition Rwanda National Congress three years ago, which calls for their former comrade President Paul Kagame to step down.

 

[chuki]

Kama umesoma shule za kata Mwalimu mmoja masomo yote, huu uzi vuka tu huwezi kung'amua chochote.

How do we know for certain the recent attack on our soldiers in Sudan was from the Sudanese militia, there are some who believe the attack was planned by Kagame and his closest ally President Museveni, by implanting their own militia posing as Janjaweed.

Rumour has it the recent assault on M23 in Congo was a retaliation from the Tanzanian government on what happened in Sudan. In other words it was a clear message we know who done our soldiers in Sudan and if we chose to; we could remove M23 in Congo ourselves.
JK has no gain in trying to influencing matters that are already on international discussion and awaiting the course of action. There are scores of documentaries already aired by BBC to its audience prior to JK asking for dialogue between the differing perspectives in Rwanda, showing all what is wrong and Kigali’s participation.

Many of the western governments have now withdrawn their development funds which were aimed for Rwanda, who know what is going on behind the scenes may be JK is being used as an instigator of what is to come from the west.

The naive in all this is the Kenyan president by picking the wrong side of the feud. However somehow you can understand where he is coming from considering he is also a man of interest in the international court. Even with that on the back of his mind surely President Kenyatta can not support the two dictators bearing in mind Kenya’s ambitions of attaining democratic values of their own and improving the integration of EAC blocks.

But then Kenyans are known for their opportunism and the current situation favours them economically in the short term by siding with Uganda and Kigali whilst Tanzania is still loitering with the idea of land, whilst Uganda offers less land complications.

 

[Eric Cartman]

Kama umesoma shule za kata Mwalimu mmoja masomo yote, huu uzi vuka tu huwezi kung'amua chochote.

OK sitochangia tena, wacha nikatafute saizi yangu.

 

[masopakyindi]

Kama umesoma shule za kata Mwalimu mmoja masomo yote, huu uzi vuka tu huwezi kung'amua chochote.

The contribution you are reffering to is quite basic!

 

[LACK]

wabongo tunaweza kupigana nao kwa nadharia hasa kama ambavyo huwa tunafanya kwenye michezo ya simba na yanga! lkn ukweli hao jamaa hili kwao si la sasa hivi bali ni planned. wanamipango ya muda mrefu ya kuhakikisha wanaongeza maeneo yao! wamepandikiza watu wao kila sehemu ndani ya nchi yetu! hivyo tunapo ongea try to think twice.

 

[rushasha]

One thing is very clear here:
Taken from 360 degrees Uhuru Kenyatta, Yoweri Mseveni and Paul Kagame are all alike!
They have joined forces against Tanzania since we denied them the reach of our resources.
The 3 have now taken the total control of the East African Community.
The aim is to throw Tanzania off the EAC and block all kinds of interactions with us.

ADVICE: It is high time now to establish or effectively join other regional integration elsewhere in Africa apart from the EAC because EAC will neither be productive nor sustainable to us.

Let them go, they have something in common, they are stinking human blood... They are all good ICC candidates.. Rwanda and Uganda are actually led by war monger rulers; power hungry tyrants... Sometimes I think if really uhuru kenyatta knows the kind of people he is entering into alliance with...

 

[Mulama]

Guys please, could you please stop meddling in Rwandese affairs? This instigation won't get us anywhere except that our fellows bordering Rwanda are ones to suffer. When we declared "Uwezo tunao na sababu tunayo" while in Dar es salaam, we didn't consider how our brethren in Kagera gonna suffer. Any one witnessed this tragic can not dare to wish seeing another one like that. In this context I beg everyone to think carefully on what might transpire in case of words turned into muscles force.

 

[theodros]

Tatizo lipo..Uchumi na M23 pia yanachangiwa na kung'aka kwa Kagame. Kuingia kwa Watanzania na wa afrika kusini nchini Congo ni tatizo kwa WaRwanda na ni kitu kimewaudhi sana. Na amini kinachomuudhi zaidi, JK amepiga fitna mpaka ameweza kuwapokonya ukamanda wa kikosi kile wa afrika kusini kwani anayeongoza kile kikosi ni Jenerali wa Kitanzania.

Bw. Museveni ameshakuwa kichwa ngumu na kusahau kuwa Tanzania ndiyo iliyompa nchi. Na amini mmefuatilia kuwa ana mpanga mwanae aje kuchukua nchi, yale yale ya Saddam na Ghaddafi, tutaona. Hapa ndipo watakapokula kichapo.

Jiulize, Tanzania imemkosea nini Bwana Kagame kwa yeye kung'aka. Rais Kikwete alitoa ushauri, yeye anatakiwa kuamua tu sio lazima afuate ushauri ule. Kuna kitu kimekuwa kikichemka kwa muda mrefu kati ya hawa Marais wawili. Je ni lini mmemuona Rais Kagame akija Tanzania. Ameshaalikwa kwenye vitu vikubwa muhimu sana bila yeye kutokea, kuapishwa kwa mara ya pili kwa JK na miaka hamsini ya uhuru. Hakutokea, gazeti la theeastafrican sikumbuki la lini liligusia suala hili.

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Kama kawaida Rais Kikwete ameomba na naona imekubalika, Rwanda wao hawataki, surprise surprise!!!
Ikumbukwe, nchi za maziwa makuu zikiwa na amani, kiuchumi Tanzania inafadikia zaidi kuliko zisipokuwa na amani. Ningewashauri wenzangu mkasikilize kwa makini hotuba ya Rais baada ya wale vijana wetu kuuliwa kule Sudan. Utabaini kuwa Rais alikuwa anaizungumzia nchi ya tatu na sio Sudan ya Kaskazini. Nchi hiyo ya tatu ni ipi?

Kama ni snitch, hatuwezi jua labda JK anataka Kagame ang'olewe kwa sababu LABDA Kagame anataka kutumia zaidi bandari ya Mombasa na siyo ya Dar es salaam. Ikumbukwe, mwisho wake ni uchumi. JK ana watu milioni 45 wa kulisha!

 

[mokala1989]

Kwahiyo sababu hasa hapa ni JK kwenda kumchongea mwenzie ICC ili ashtakiwe?Hata mimi nilihisi kitu maana nilijiuliza sana inakuwaje Kagame achukie hivi kwasababu ya ushauri tu?Kumbe kulikuwa jambo kubwa zaidi ya hili la ADVICE?

kagame ni muuaji kwanini asifikishwe icc?

 

[spencer]

Tanzania bila Kenya,Uganda na Rwanda inawezekana,
Hivi Kagame ni nani??
Uhuru ni nani???
Mseveni ni Nani???
Wote hao wana roho ya kwa nn na wivu dhidi ya Tanzania yangu.
Sina tofauti na Kikwete when it comes ktk kuitetea Tanzania, napingana na Kikwete ktk siasa zetu za ndani kwa namna inafaa kuipeleka mbele Tanzania lakini siwezi kuunga mkono vijiinchi maskini visivyo na kichwa wala miguu kama Rwanda