Dismiss Notice
You are browsing this site as a guest. It takes 2 minutes to CREATE AN ACCOUNT and less than 1 minute to LOGIN

Quit Lecturing Africa On Politics, Raila Says

Discussion in 'Kenyan News and Politics' started by Ab-Titchaz, Aug 5, 2009.

  1. Ab-Titchaz

    Ab-Titchaz Content Manager Staff Member

    #1
    Aug 5, 2009
    Joined: Jan 30, 2008
    Messages: 14,702
    Likes Received: 15
    Trophy Points: 0
    Stop lecturing and open up trade, Raila tells the West

    [​IMG]

    Prime Minister Raila Odinga (left) with US Ambassador to Kenya Michael Ranneberger during the opening of the 8th forum of African Growth and Opportunity Act (AGOA) at Kenyatta International Conference Centre in Nairobi, August 4, 2009.

    By DAVE OPIYO

    Prime Minister Raila Odinga Tuesday opened a new war front with developed countries asking them to stop "lecturing" African nations on governance issues. He, instead, urged the West to focus on how to further open up more trade avenues in the continent to enable African countries to prosper economically.

    While addressing delegates attending the ongoing Africa Growth and Opportunity Act forum in Nairobi, Mr Odinga said the continent had made great strides by "toppling dictators" who had given Africa a bad name.

    In bad taste

    "Lecturing us on issues that deal with governance and transparency is in bad taste," said the PM. Added Mr Odinga: "The continent is still recovering from an era of dictatorship and tyrannical leadership that many African countries struggled hard to dislodge. "We therefore don't need lectures on how to govern ourselves... we only require lectures on how to trade not only with ourselves but with the rest of the world to enable us prosper."

    The PM's sentiments appeared to be in response to comments by US Ambassador Michael Ranneberger, who had earlier on insisted that the government must implement, in full, all the reform agenda it promised Kenyans.

    Top of what the US government wants addressed include constitutional review, electoral review, land reforms and reconciliation. He spoke ahead of the arrival of US Secretary of State Mrs Hillary Clinton, who is expected to grace the official opening of the forum on Wednesday. President Kibaki is also scheduled to attend.

    Similar sentiments have also been raised by various countries that make up the European Union. The US Ambassador said full implementation was indeed very critical to the prosperity of Kenyans. "Failure to do this will interfere with the realisation of the country's economic agenda," said Mr Ranneberger while addressing the delegates.

    The US Government has for long been piling pressure on Kenya to implement the reforms it promised under Agenda Four of the National Accord that was negotiated under the guidance of former UN secretary-general Kofi Annan.

    It has previously warned of unspecified action against Kenyan leaders should it fail to implement the reform agenda and end the intermittent wrangles that have threatened to derail the grand coalition.

    The two principals – President Kibaki and Prime Minister Raila Odinga – have often been criticised for failing to guide the country out of danger ahead of the 2012 elections. However, the two have in the recent past moved to assure the country that the coalition would last to the end and would deliver on the reforms envisaged in the National Accord.

    http://www.nation.co.ke/InDepth/Agoa%20Summit/-/634508/634912/-/xmlhr0/-/index.html
     
  2. Ab-Titchaz

    Ab-Titchaz Content Manager Staff Member

    #2
    Aug 5, 2009
    Joined: Jan 30, 2008
    Messages: 14,702
    Likes Received: 15
    Trophy Points: 0
    [​IMG]

    US Secretary of State Hilary Clinton (in red) is received by Kenya's Foreign Affairs Moses Wetangula upon her arrival at the Jomo Kenyatta International Airport in Nairobi on Tuesday. She is set to officially open the annual AGOA forum on Wednesday.
    By MUCHEMI WACHIRA

    US secretary of State Hillary Clinton has arrived in the Kenya capital of Nairobi ahead of a seven-Africa nation tour.Mrs Clinton will be at the official opening of the Africa Growth and Opportunity Act forum on Wednesday, which kicked off Tuesday at the Kenyatta International Conference Centre in Nairobi.

    Security was tight at the Jomo Kenyatta International Airport as armed police and the General Service Unit patrolled the area.There was also heavy presence of intelligence officers from both Kenya and the US.

    They had camped at the airport for most parts of the day.


    Mrs Clinton arrived in a Boeing 707 at 6.40 pm and stepped on the Kenyan soil for the first time she assumed office at 6.55 pm.


    On her arrival she was met by Foreign Affairs minister Moses Wetang’ula and the US Ambassador to Kenya Michael Ranneberger.


    Mrs Clinton did not address the crowd that had come to witness her arrival at the airport.She only waved at them and she was driven away under Kenya and US security personnel escort.

    http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/634834/-/ulkkxm/-/index.html
     
  3. Ab-Titchaz

    Ab-Titchaz Content Manager Staff Member

    #3
    Aug 5, 2009
    Joined: Jan 30, 2008
    Messages: 14,702
    Likes Received: 15
    Trophy Points: 0
    [​IMG]

    US Secretary of State Hilary Clinton at Nairobi's Jomo Kenyatta International Airport on Tuesday.

    [​IMG]


    [​IMG]

    United States Secretary of State Hilary Clinton (in red) is Kenya's Foreign Affairs minister Moses Wetangula and US Ambassador to Kenya Michael Ranneberger upon her arrival at the Jomo Kenyatta International Airport in Nairobi on Tuesday.

    [​IMG]

    Security at the Jomo Kenyatta International Airport in Nairobi was beefed up ahead of the arrival of US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Tuesday
     
  4. Dilunga

    Dilunga JF-Expert Member

    #4
    Aug 5, 2009
    Joined: Apr 8, 2009
    Messages: 679
    Likes Received: 9
    Trophy Points: 0
    Msalie mtume! Eti mtu anasema msitu-lecture kwenye siasa, ila mtu-lecture kwenye biashara kati yetu!

    Huyu ndio Odinga, supposedly among the best and the brightest of Africa's new leadership. Tumepigwa kipapai.
     
  5. Smatta

    Smatta JF-Expert Member

    #5
    Aug 5, 2009
    Joined: Nov 5, 2008
    Messages: 2,231
    Likes Received: 140
    Trophy Points: 160
    Sija kupata vizuri hapo ndugu yangu, wewe bado wataka hawa mabepari watupatie lectures kuhusu siasa na internal affairs wakati wanazidi ku make it harder for Africa to trade with the west, am not trying to side with impunity in Africa, lakini if you tried to listen to what Raila was saying, he made lotsa sense.. I know we have extremely big problems with our leaders, but the west should put the focus elsewhere, like opening trade with us.

    Atleast weve had good news so far, where UPS (the Ameriican package company with over 450,000 workers), will buy staff uniforms from Kenyan firms.. thats the type of news we need and not them lecturing us on a daily basis.
     
  6. M

    MzalendoHalisi JF-Expert Member

    #6
    Aug 5, 2009
    Joined: Jun 24, 2007
    Messages: 3,842
    Likes Received: 91
    Trophy Points: 145
    Mtu mzima mimi kupewa lecture kila siku kweli siwezi!!! Lecture over 50 yrs now..are we any better??

    Kwani West nani anawapa wao lecture??
     
  7. Dilunga

    Dilunga JF-Expert Member

    #7
    Aug 5, 2009
    Joined: Apr 8, 2009
    Messages: 679
    Likes Received: 9
    Trophy Points: 0
    Lakini hicho sicho alichosema Odinga, kwamba focus ya international discourse iwe kwenye trade.

    Odinga kasema wa West wasitupe lecture kwenye siasa, watupe lecture kwenye biashara hata kati yetu wenyewe! Hicho ndicho kituko. Kama unakataa lecture, na unataka kujiamulia mambo yako, basi kataa lecture moja kwa moja, sio ukatae lecture za siasa ukubali lecture za biashara kati yetu Waafrika.

    Ukikubali kuwa lectured kwenye biashara na huko nako wata dictate terms ambazo unaweza usiziweze.

     
  8. Smatta

    Smatta JF-Expert Member

    #8
    Aug 5, 2009
    Joined: Nov 5, 2008
    Messages: 2,231
    Likes Received: 140
    Trophy Points: 160
    Ndio maana nawapenda China even though wako soo demonised na the west, hao wanaongea straight and they dont pretend to be saints like our American friends
     
  9. Z

    Zhule JF-Expert Member

    #9
    Aug 5, 2009
    Joined: May 22, 2008
    Messages: 354
    Likes Received: 0
    Trophy Points: 0
    Odinga was right. Hata China pia hawataki lectures on how to govern themselves. But when it comes to business you have to listen. How will you stop listening to someone who lectures you on how to make business with him?Democrasy is more of the culture and level of education/technology and income, the western can't just force chinese and for this matter even africa to live their way of culture. Recenttly when it comes to health insurance program proposed by Obama administration, they (capitalist) start saying the government will use taxpayers money to pay for people who cant pay back.Some even said there will be no enough doctors.So what is the security for every american? No.We want to trade with them like they daily flock to Africa for natural resource extraction. If they want African security ie food,education job,health They would establish local factories to produce for the local market and not flocking just for EXTRACTION OF NATURAL RESOURCES.
     
  10. Juma Contena

    Juma Contena JF-Expert Member

    #10
    Aug 5, 2009
    Joined: May 21, 2009
    Messages: 1,195
    Likes Received: 8
    Trophy Points: 135
    reading the thread i do not think he meant to lecture on how we, should govern ourselves that much. But you have to understand real business people dont want to invest in unstable invoronment for fear of loss of their assets, sasa since local economy is somehow indirectly involved with government legislations uoni ni tatizo if the government itself is not that stable. Nadhani wanafikiria along those lines sometimes before commiting. When it comes to invest in land it normally becomes a long term investment sasa kesho tena ugomvi mashamba yaka chomwe moto dont you see a problem there.
     
  11. Smatta

    Smatta JF-Expert Member

    #11
    Aug 5, 2009
    Joined: Nov 5, 2008
    Messages: 2,231
    Likes Received: 140
    Trophy Points: 160
    Yes, they cant invest in an unstable enviroment, but should they keep hammering their ideologies everytime they set their foot on our land, its becoming tire some, where some foreigners keep lecturing you about issues that you are trying to deal with.

    They should reduce the taxes on our exports to their countries, do away with some of the debts ambazo wanatudai, set a favorable climate for developing countries to trade competitevely in the international market, not just giving us empty lectures on how to rule our own countries while they stay raping Africa off its resources and wealth.
     
  12. Bantugbro

    Bantugbro JF-Expert Member

    #12
    Aug 5, 2009
    Joined: Feb 22, 2009
    Messages: 2,605
    Likes Received: 19
    Trophy Points: 135
    Jamani these people can invest in any political environment be it stable or unstable hii hutegemea priority zao tu!. Nadhani wengi wetu tunafahamu hilo sitaki kutaja majina but kuna nchi nyingi tu duniani ambazo zina matatizo makubwa ya kisiasa lakini makampuni ya west yanaendelea kupeta!

    Cha muhimu ni sisi wenyewe kujua ni vipi haswaa tunataka kuishi!!

    Chonde! sina nia ya kuhalalisha uharamia uliofanyika wakati wa uchaguzi huko kenya.

    Amani
     
  13. MwanaFalsafa1

    MwanaFalsafa1 JF-Expert Member

    #13
    Aug 5, 2009
    Joined: Feb 26, 2008
    Messages: 5,566
    Likes Received: 15
    Trophy Points: 135
    So in short anasema don't interfere with our politics but interfere with our business? Hajua kwamba economic colonialism is way worse than political colonialism? It's just like South Africa. Wameondokana na apartheid ila kutokana na wazungu kushikilia uchumi weusi hawana maendeleo yoyote ya maana.
     
  14. Nyani Ngabu

    Nyani Ngabu Platinum Member

    #14
    Aug 5, 2009
    Joined: May 15, 2006
    Messages: 65,028
    Likes Received: 15,937
    Trophy Points: 280
    Hehehehehe...viongozi wa Afrika ni reflection ya Waafrika wenyewe. Lol@ Raila Odinga's logic
     
  15. Dilunga

    Dilunga JF-Expert Member

    #15
    Aug 5, 2009
    Joined: Apr 8, 2009
    Messages: 679
    Likes Received: 9
    Trophy Points: 0
    Ina maana Odinga kweli hajui hicho kitu, au alitumia lugha sio yake akachemsha au ni vipi yani?

     
  16. Nyani Ngabu

    Nyani Ngabu Platinum Member

    #16
    Aug 5, 2009
    Joined: May 15, 2006
    Messages: 65,028
    Likes Received: 15,937
    Trophy Points: 280
    Unajua nimekuja kugundua kuwa mtu hata kama hukubaliani na itikadi alizokuwa nazo Nyerere lakini ukweli ni kwamba alikuwa sio mtu wa kuongea pumba za namna hii.

    Kibaya zaidi eti anasema we "require"....WTF.....hehehehehehe...oh my
     
  17. SYLLOGIST!

    SYLLOGIST! JF-Expert Member

    #17
    Aug 5, 2009
    Joined: Dec 28, 2007
    Messages: 241
    Likes Received: 11
    Trophy Points: 35

    I Agree with the Prime Minister!
     
  18. Margwe

    Margwe JF-Expert Member

    #18
    Aug 6, 2009
    Joined: Apr 30, 2008
    Messages: 256
    Likes Received: 0
    Trophy Points: 33
    Ni kweli hatuhitaji lecture na hata M7 aliwahi kusema 'everyone is lecturer on our development' na hata kwenye biashara hatuhitaji lecture tunachohitaji ni win-win negotiation!
     
  19. Juma Contena

    Juma Contena JF-Expert Member

    #19
    Aug 6, 2009
    Joined: May 21, 2009
    Messages: 1,195
    Likes Received: 8
    Trophy Points: 135
    funny u acknowledge its a problem to invest in un stable invorornment what you dont mention kenya is the leading trader with the west in E.Afrca. sasa uoni these people are somehow concerned with what is there already, remember the government has the indirect role in these negotions, they do understand if anything goes wrong R.O will be hidden somewhere in the suburbs with heavily guarded security and world Media outside his house. Ordinary Kenyans will be on the receveing of the chaos. I think its along these lines that they insist that they deliver the promise of assurance to kenyan citizens, i dont know what specifically, but my guess is they dont want to see anymore of the last election scenarios. that was at best, at worst people use guns for years sasa ushaweka investment hapo. Inabidi uinterfere even more even that cost money to them.

    na kuhusu second paragraph of your argument they brought their business envoy there hiyo ndiyo iwe part ya Kenyan as u know business is about agreeing so what is there at the moment was agreed before, if today Kenyans think it needs improvement, I guess that is why their senior negotiators are there.
     
  20. Smatta

    Smatta JF-Expert Member

    #20
    Aug 6, 2009
    Joined: Nov 5, 2008
    Messages: 2,231
    Likes Received: 140
    Trophy Points: 160
    Thanks for dropping some knowledge, but in as much as we need some changes in our leadership, we also need to revise the trade terms that are currently in place, to hell with AGOA, what we need is an overhaul on the terms of trade between Africa and the west. We dont need lectures everyday, no, we need incentives which will make us compete on equall terms with the rest of the world. Mzungu doesnt give a damn about Africa, as long as we are a market for his products and a source for raw material, they give as some attention and they ensure that there is some peace around, but tukishaanza kujitoa katika market yao, we focus on China and the Middle East, they start distabilising our goverments and critisising whatever we do.

    We need to emancipate our selves from mental slavery, we cant accomplish our vision 2030 if we are still being lectured about governance instead of concentrating on biting issues like feeding our people, and manufacturing our own stuff instead of importing simple things like iron boxes and stuff.
     
Loading...