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Polisi sasa waruhusiwa kuangalia status ya uhamiaji Arizona.

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    Arizona passes strict illegal immigration act

    The bill directs police to determine the immigration status of noncriminals if there is a 'reasonable suspicion' they are undocumented. Immigrant rights groups say it amounts to a police state.


    Arizona lawmakers on Tuesday approved what foes and supporters agree is the toughest measure in the country against illegal immigrants, directing local police to determine whether people are in the country legally.

    The measure, long sought by opponents of illegal immigration, passed 35 to 21 in the state House of Representatives.

    The state Senate passed a similar measure earlier this year, and Republican Gov. Jan Brewer is expected to sign the bill.

    The bill's author, State Sen. Russell Pearce, said it simply "takes the handcuffs off of law enforcement and lets them do their job."

    But police were deeply divided on the matter, with police unions backing it but the state police chief's association opposing the bill, contending it could erode trust with immigrants who could be potential witnesses.

    Immigrant rights groups were horrified, and contended that Arizona would be transformed into a police state.

    "It's beyond the pale," said Chris Newman, legal director of the National Day Laborer Organizing Network. "It appears to mandate racial profiling."

    The bill, known as SB 1070, makes it a misdemeanor to lack proper immigration paperwork in Arizona. It also requires police officers, if they form a "reasonable suspicion" that someone is an illegal immigrant, to determine the person's immigration status.

    Currently, officers can inquire about someone's immigration status only if the person is a suspect in another crime. The bill allows officers to avoid the immigration issue if it would be impractical or hinder another investigation.

    Citizens can sue to compel police agencies to comply with the law, and no city or agency can formulate a policy directing its workers to ignore the law -- a provision that advocates say prevents so-called sanctuary orders that police not inquire about people's immigration status.

    The bill cements the position of Arizona, whose border with Mexico is the most popular point of entry for illegal immigrants into this country, as the state most aggressively using its own laws to fight illegal immigration. In 2006 the state passed a law that would dissolve companies with a pattern of hiring illegal immigrants. Last year it made it a crime for a government worker to give improper benefits to an illegal immigrant.

    Mark Krikorian at the Center for Immigration Studies, a Washington, D.C., think tank that advocates tougher immigration enforcement, said the legislation was a logical extension of the state's previous enforcement efforts.

    "It makes sense that they would be the first to do it since they're ground zero for illegal immigration," he said.

    Krikorian added that he doubted the law would be used much. "Obviously, their prosecutors aren't going to go out and prosecute every illegal alien," he said. "It gives police and prosecutors another tool should they need it."

    Opponents, however, raised the specter of officers untrained in immigration law being required to determine who is in the country legally. They noted that though the bill says race cannot solely be used to form a suspicion about a person's legality, it implicitly allows it to be a factor.

    "A lot of U.S. citizens are going to be swept up in the application of this law for something as simple as having an accent and leaving their wallet at home," said Alessandra Soler Meetze, president of the American Civil Liberties Union of Arizona.

    The ACLU and other groups have vowed to sue to block the bill from taking effect should Brewer sign it. They note that a federal court struck down a New Hampshire law in 2005 that said illegal immigrants were trespassing, declaring that only the federal government has the authority to enforce immigration. Another provision of the Arizona law, which makes day laborers illegal, violates the 1st Amendment, critics contend.

    The issue of local enforcement of immigration laws has been especially heated in Arizona, where Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has taken an aggressive stance, conducting sweeps in immigrant-heavy neighborhoods to round up illegal immigrants.

    His actions have drawn a civil rights investigation from the Department of Justice but strong praise from Arizonans. Other agencies have argued against Arpaio's stance, saying that they need illegal immigrants to trust them enough to report crimes.

    Brewer, a Republican, has not taken a public stance on the bill. She replaced Janet Napolitano, a Democrat who became President Obama's Homeland Security chief last year. Napolitano had vetoed similar bills in the past. Brewer faces a primary challenge next month; most observers expect her to sign the measure.

    Some Republicans have privately complained about the bill, which Pearce has been pushing for several years, but were loath to vote against it in an election year. The House was scheduled to approve it last week but the vote was delayed until Tuesday to give sponsors a chance to round up enough votes. It picked up steam after the killing late last month of a rancher on the Arizona side of the Mexican border. Footprints from the crime scene led back to Mexico.

    In an impassioned debate Tuesday, both sides relied on legal and moral arguments.

    "Illegal immigration brings crime, kidnapping, drugs -- drains our government services," said Rep. John Kavanagh, a Republican. "Nobody can stand on the sidelines and not take part in this battle."

    Democrats were just as passionate. "This bill, whether we intend it or not, terrorizes the people we profit from," said Rep. Tom Chabin.

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  2. Ab-Titchaz

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  3. Ngambo Ngali

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    Mkuu heading imenishtua kidogo, mimi nilidhani ni mbwembwe za Kova wetu , RPC wa Mkoa maalumu wa DSM kumbe ni states.
     
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    Saaafi sana. Go Sheriff Joe Arpaio....
     
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    Is America a police state?
    The answer lies at your own gate.

    I totally understand that the Mexican / Laredo drug wars are spilling into Arizona, making it some sorta Gehenna, in that light I appreciate any reasonable measure to protect American citizens.

    But still...

    This act of high buffoonery, while can be plausibly veiled as a proactive measure to combat illegal immigration, is at best ill thought out and at worst borderline (no pun intended) Stalinism. Problems stemming from the organic nature of socio-economic idiosyncrasies cannot be legislated against adequately.And it is almost certain that the more the state of Arizona attempts exacting immigration laws, the more prohibitively unrealistic and expensive will the entire exercise be doomed to be.

    This move is bound to over police, waste people's time, catch a few undocumented immigrants and either deport them at a high cost to the taxpayers (with no guarantee that the immigrants will not re-enter the US) or allow them to wallow the streets again. Either way the root of the problem is not addresses. You cannot cure TB by Cofta and Vicks Kingo.

    The politicians and police would rather appear to be doing something than actually come up with bright ideas to solve real issues. This is yet another gross invasion of long established civil liberties and a clear distortion of the deep rooted reasoning fabric of Americanism.
     
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    I see nothing wrong with the move as it is needed to curb the problem of illegal immigration. This problem is getting out of hand now. These illegals are commiting crimes and doing all kinds of other illegal stuff. Forget even about committing crimes, the fact that they've broken the law is enough to apprehend and send them back where they came from.

    And to give the police the ability and authority to check on people's immigration statuses is a move in the right direction to earnestly curb the problem.
     
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    Safi sana sisi Tanzania ndio tunachelewa kuwaachia manyang'au na vikaragosi kutoka Rwanda na Burundi kuja kuchuma kwenye shamba la bibi. When will Tanzania wakeup?
     
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    Uhamiaji haramu ni uhamiaji haramu tu. Sioni ubaya wowote kwa WanaArizona kufanya walichofanya.
     
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    I agree with Kiranga hapo juu, this is like treating TB with Cofta and moving to appease the far right.

    The problem with immigration is mostly social when not do the same with the US Canada border? anyone who has ever been to the States especially the southern ones (Texas, Arizona, California, Florida) will notice the high number of spanish speakers who has settled and move up and down for generations, this exercise will be costly and non starter.

    Kuhusu hapa kwetu tayari polisi na watu wa immigration na matapeli wengine mjini wanaishi kwa kubughudhi wageni na kuwadai chochote na kama US hata ukiwarudisha kwao (incurring high cost to taxpayer) wanarudi. Tunayo mifano hapa kwetu, serikali ina tabia ya kurudisha ombaomba vijijini(e.g Matonya), tabia alioanzisha Nyerere na vijiji vyake vya ujamaa na muda si mrefu wote wanarudi tena mijini, na sasa polisi wetu wana kawaida ya kukusanya wageni na kuwadai rushwa au kuwadeport, what a shame!

    Hizi ndizo siasa za kihifadhina au right wing, ndivo ufashisti unavyoanza polepole wageni kisha makabila fulani, kisha aina fulani ya watu...
     
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    ....right wing stupidity,haya mambo ya police state historically hayana mwisho mzuri,hapo target itakuwa spanish tuu na weusi,naona hii ACLU wakiifikisha supreme court,hizi southern/western(part) states racism inawasumbua sana na matatizo yao yote wanasingizia illegal immigrants as if kama hawafanyi kazi na wanakula bure,wengi wao ni chapa kazi na they take nothing from states,hata Hitler alianza hivi na justification zake za jews wote ni wezi..lakini ndugu zangu wabongo paper hapa sio ngumu hebu oeni hayo matoto ya kizungu na kina shanikwa mvumilie miaka miwili tuu muachane na haya matatizo,hakuna sabu ya kutokuwa na paper mbongo hapa!
     
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    Alaaaa....sasa kwa nini unawahimiza wenzako waoe vibonge wa kizungu kama hupendi utawala wa kisheria? Wee mluguru vipi wewe?
     
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    Dude, which other states apart from AZ have adopted this kind of bill? By the way, USA is way more than just AZ, and I bet there are many states that don't have this piece of legislation and some have even rejected efforts at passing similar kind of immigration enforcement bill.
     
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    Wewe nawe unafikiri kila mtu ni mluguru tu, wengine hawa ni banyamulenge.
     
  14. Kiranga

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    AZ is part of the fifty states, anything that happens in AZ happened in America. A chain is as strong as it's weakest link, the much talked about American civil liberties are only as laudable and exemplary as the worst case scenario.

    Wanasema wenyewe "maumivu yanaanza pole pole".Sasa hivi hivi visheria vinawafanya Hispanics wote wawe suspects by fiat katika communities zao wenyewe, America inakuwa reduced kama Africa kusini ya apartheid, Mmarekani mwenye asili ya Hispania ambaye hana passport wala ID yoyote ya kiserikali (si kosa hili) ngoma yake inakuwa ngumu mitaa hiyo kwani wakimvaa wanaweza kum "deport" kumpeleka Mexico ambako hata si kwao.

    Leo wanaanza na Hispanics, kesho watasema non-WASPs wote sio real Americans, wataenda mpaka kusema kama huwezi kutrace family yake kutoka Jamestown au Mayflower huna haki ya uraia.

    The folly of this relentless governmental extortion, this dilapidated commercial brigandage, propagated by villainous grotesqueries hardly disguised by bible belt ribaldries, overly, even unrealistically aesthetic views that prostituted "America the beautiful" to a miscellaneous roguery fit for a Sarah Palin mental masturbation, the folly of these legal swindles by clueless bureaucrats aided by democratic harlotries gushed by the constant imbecilities of the far right, is that it will only hurt the most the small townspeople now being swept by a tsunami of oversimplified arguments by uninformed conspiracy theorist'.
     
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    Kwani Mmarekani mwenye asili ya Hispania ambae hana pasi ya kusafiria au utambulisho wa serikali ni lazima awe anatoka miji midogo?

    Maana usiandike tungo ndefu kama mkonge ukasahau ulipoanzia.
     
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    Needless to say, the bottom line still remains that there's a clear difference between Federal and State legislation.
     
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    Nani kasema "lazima"? Mimi nimesema kitu, bisha kilichosemwa, usianze kuintroduce maneno ambayo sijasema.Sikusema lazima.

    Hapa ni kama nimesema "Wamasai wanapenda mifugo" halafu wewe unakuja ku object na a nonsensical counter inayosema "kwani wanaopenda mifugo ni lazima wawe Wamasai?"

    Yaani totally irrelevant to the train of thought, unaintrouce kitu kiko tofauti na mimi nilichosema, halafu unataka kuniquestion mimi juu yacho kama vile mimi niko responsible nacho.

    Mimi nimesema watu wa miji midogo, pamoja na states hizo za mashimoni huko Arizona wanaumia zaidi kwa sababu ndio hao wanaokaa in the middle of Grand Canyon na kwenye ma vValley huko ambako mpaka leo wanapelekewa mail kwa punda, Marekani hii hii.

    Sasa hawa watu wanakatwa kodi kubwa katika kipato chao kidogo, halafu wanakuwa railroaded ku support huu upuuzi, hela zao za kodi zinatumika vibaya, which is a double blow to a poor person. Ninaposema watu wa miji midogo na hizi states za mashimoni naongelea "What's the Matter with Kansas" effect, naongelea watu wanao vote na ku advocate upuuzi ambao unaenda against their own self interest.

    Kama hii Orwellian orangutang's omnipotent ombudsmanship.
     
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    Clear difference there is.

    But the states operate under the auspices and supremacy of the U.S Constitution, and if the U.S constitution permits this modern day internment for Hispanics, - future generations will frown on this as much as we are frowning upon the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II - if the US Constitution with all it's pompous majesty permits this chicanery on Chicanos, then the entire notion of America as a free society is reduced to dust.

    You can't make people walk around with IDs in modern day America, do they even still do that in South Africa? The entire idea is grossly un-American.
     
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    Kiranga ! Aisee hiyo statement ya mwisho kilatini nini? I hope haina maana mbaya......alamsiki
     
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    So what are you really trying to say here? For, indeed (if only for the sake of argument), the SB 1070 Bill (or Law) appears not to be in violation of any part of the US Constitution, then no amount of "frowning" and accusations of "chicanery" against whoever never would help a darn thing! Unless of course you can prove to us how, why and where this particular law could be potentially be unconstitutional. There may not be any legal requirement for anyone to carry ID in the US, but one shouldn't complain either if this turns out to work in one's disadvantage as far law enforcement is concerned.
     
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