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Palestinian shock: President says he wants to quit

Discussion in 'International Forum' started by MwanaFalsafa1, Nov 6, 2009.

  1. MwanaFalsafa1

    MwanaFalsafa1 JF-Expert Member

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    By MOHAMMED DARAGHMEH, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 5 mins ago
    RAMALLAH, West Bank – Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas pushed Mideast peace prospects into unknown territory Thursday, announcing he doesn't want another term and opening the way to a succession battle that could play into the hands of his rival, the militant Hamas.
    But it also could boost the prospects of a popular candidate who reportedly wants to run for the presidency from his Israeli prison cell.
    Abbas blamed his decision on the stalemate in peace talks, but the wording of his televised speech raised speculation that it was not final and could be a tactic for pushing Israel and the U.S. toward a larger compromise.
    He said only that it was "desire not to run in the upcoming elections" which are set for January but could be delayed, extending his current term indefinitely.
    Abbas took over after the death of Yasser Arafat in 2004, and Western leaders have come to see him as a symbol of moderation. Although criticized as indecisive and associated with the corruption-tainted old guard of his Fatah party, he has given free rein to his prime minister, Salam Fayyad, to reform the West Bank's economy and boost its police, which has resulted in a limited economic upturn.
    But the stalemate with Israel overshadows all, and Fatah activists say the party is in a panic, fearing a fragmented slate of candidates that would hand victory to Hamas.
    Late last month, Abbas told U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton that he would not run, but recanted after President Barack Obama called him and expressed his commitment to Mideast peacemaking, Abbas' aides said. A senior Palestinian official told The Associated Press that Abbas informed other Fatah leaders of his latest decision several days ago but didn't tell Obama.
    Insiders say he was disheartened by Washington's refusal to press Israel harder for a freeze on West Bank settlement construction, and that this week's visit by Clinton, when she appeared to side with Israel over the settlement issue, was the last straw.
    Abbas has insisted that he won't resume negotiations until Israel stops all construction.
    If he were to concede on that issue, Fatah could lose the election. If that happened, the international community would have no one to deal with but Hamas, which denies Israel's right to exist and rejects the two-state solution endorsed by Fatah.
    The most attractive candidate to replace 74-year-old Abbas would likely be Marwan Barghouti, 49, who was jailed for life in 2002 for his involvement in fatal Palestinian attacks.
    Activists say Barghouti, the top West Bank Fatah official until his arrest, is determined to run from prison. The charismatic Palestinian was once a favorite of Israeli peace activists but turned increasingly militant. His refusal to recognize the Israeli court's right to try him, and his defiant gestures and smiles for the cameras, heightened his popularity among Palestinians.
    He ran for president from his cell in 2004 but withdrew under pressure from Fatah leaders. This time, associates say, he is determined to stay in the contest.
    Barghouti's incarceration could work both for and against him. It might be difficult for him to campaign from a jail cell, but his nomination could force his release. Also, imprisonment has shielded him from blame for the absence of a peace accord with Israel, a shattered West Bank economy and Hamas in power in Gaza.
    Yossi Sarid, an Israeli former lawmaker identified with the peace movement, said Israel and the U.S. humiliated Abbas, leading to his decision. "This means that we are probably entering a terrible period where the extremists will run the show," Sarid said.
    In case Abbas steps down, Fatah insiders are promoting Nasser Al-Kidwa, 50, as a candidate. He has served as the Palestinian representative at the U.N., is not linked with the corruption that bedevils the party, and has the additional benefit of being Arafat's nephew.
    Another potential candidate is Mohammed Dahlan, 48, a one-time Fatah strongman in Gaza. He was recently elected to the top Fatah policy-making body, but he is blamed by many for losing Gaza to Hamas, and is tainted by allegations of corruption.
    Hamas spokesman Taher Nunu said he didn't believe Abbas really meant to step down. "His speech wasn't for the Palestinians alone," he said. "It was for the United States and the international community, so they will give him more support in the elections."
    After Abbas' speech, Clinton praised his leadership in working toward the creation of a Palestinian state next to Israel.
    Speaking to reporters in Washington, she ignored a question about whether she would urge Abbas to stay on and saying only that she would go on working with him to advance peace.
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    Additional reporting by Mohammed Daraghmeh in Ramallah, Diaa Hadid and Ian Deitch in Jerusalem, Rizek Abdel Jawad in Gaza City, Gaza Strip, and Matthew Lee in Washington.
     
  2. Buchanan

    Buchanan JF Diamond Member

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    Huu mfupa ulimshinda Yasser Arafat, hakufanikiwa lolote la maana hadi mauti yalipomfika maskini!
     
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    Qadhi JF-Expert Member

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    Mkuu Mwanafalsafa1 na October,niliahidi kuwa nitarudi kujibu post zenu kwenye ile thread kuhusu Film about Muhammad(Allah's peace be upon him),ila nimetafuta thread nimeshindwa kuiona labda kwa sababu ni mgeni JF sijui vizuri namna ya kuipata au mods wameifuta kabisa.
    Please naomba niwajibu hapa:
    October;
    Kuhusu ile aya ulioitoa(FIY;nguzo za imaan katika uislam zipo 6 which are:Kumuamini Allah,Malaika wake,Vitabu vyake[zaburi,injili,torat,qur'an...],Mitume wake,siku ya mwisho na Qadar[kheir na shari huwa zimekadiriwa]..,kwa mtiririko kama ulivyo,so vitabu vyake huwa vinatafsiriwa na mitume wake).Inatafsirika hivi:

    Hapo sina justification,kazi ya muislam ni ku present kile kilichokuwa revealed na Allah na kufundishwa na Mtume Muhammad(SAW) kama kilivyo,then kupata muongozo ama la..,ni mtu mwenyewe kwa rehma ya Allah.


    Mwanafalsafa1;
    1. Kuzuiliwa kutangaza dini zingine:Tunachoamini sisi ni kuwa islam ndio dini sahihi kwa Allah,zingine ni upotevu,hivyo tunatakiwa kuwanasihi watu waje kwenye dini hii ya haki na siyo kinyume chake(yaani kuruhusu dini zingine ziwapoteze watu);mfano rahisi,sometimes huwa napewa chakula kisichokuwa halali na rafiki zangu hapa versity,huwa sichukui na kuwaambia kuwa si halali,one might suggest that nichukue kile chakula na kuwapa wasiokuwa waislam,which is wrong...kwa sababu islam is for the whole humanity,kama kinachokatazwa kina madhara kwa muislam basi ni kwa wote isipokuwa wasiokuwa waislam hawajui..,uzuri ni kuwa naeleweka na tuna share vile vyote vya halali na tunaishi kwa amani.
    2. Kutotekelezwa kwa sheria:Kama hizo islamic state hazitekelezi sharia inavyopaswa kama nilivyoelezea kule,cpaswi kuwatetea kwa namna yyte..labda katika hili ni admitt kuwa huenda nimekuwa biased kuangalia tu western treatment against islam bila ya kuangalia kule arabia nini kinaendelea dhidi ya dini zingine...kwamba je zinakuwa treated as per sharia?home work,,,.ingawa generally asiyekuwa muislam ataona kuwa ni unfair tu,mimi naona fair(pure sharia,mfano niliotaja kule) kwa sababu naamini kuwa ndio njia ya uongofu na ndio kauli mbiu ya mitume wote kwa human kinds.
    3. The imbalance(arabia unfair to other religions{if u like},na western ni fair to all including islam) ina favor islam growth rate in the world:Nahofu ku generalize kuwa western yote ni christianity...ila naamini kuwa yale majeshi yaliyopo kule arabia(saudia,kuwait,iraq,afghan etc)ni anti islamic na pro christianity,their presence ni sababu tosha ku influence spread of christianity....na naamini kuwa wanafanya hivyo,kwa sababu huwa kunaptikana takwim kila mwaka to waht extent christmass imefana..which to me it's there evaluation,offcourse kuna ushahidi juu ya hili,cdhani kama utashindwa kupata ukihitaji.So I deny the imbalance,,,,especially kama wanaweza kupandikiza political figures and even puppet leaders
    Sijui kama nimekujibu maswali yako yote kwa sababu nimeshindwa kupata rejea.Hata hivyo nashukuru saana kwa ustaarab uliouonesha katika majibizano yetu,pia nasikitika tu kwamba nitapatikana kwa nadra saana humu JF kwa sababu I have started doing on cardiovascular medicine,so I will b tightly occupied.
    For more about islam,u can visit 1,2,3
     
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    Buchanan JF Diamond Member

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    Qadhi kama ungekuwa available ningekuuliza maswali mengi sana, tena ingekuwa vizuri ungeanzisha thread kuliko kuingilia hii ya Wapalestina! Anyway, in general terms mimi siuoni "uwongofu" ulioletwa na Muhammad zaidi ya chuki, fujo, ubakaji na mauaji ya wasio na hatia! Kama uwongofu ndio huo basi ni anything can be "uwongofu!" Pia namuona Muhammad kuwa ni anti-Christ kwa sababu alienda kinyume kabisa na mafundisho ya Yesu Kristo. Mifano michache hii hapa: Yesu alisema kwa kinywa chake kwamba angesulubiwa, kufa na kufufuka baada ya siku 3, Muhammad anadai Yesu hakusulubiwa wala kufa. Yesu aliyafukuza mapepo toka kwa watu lakini Muhammad anadai eti kuna mapepo yanayomwabudu Mungu na ni maislamu! Yesu alifundisha kwamba anayeoa mwanamke aliyetalikiwa anazini naye, lakini Muhammad mwenyewe alioa mke wa Zayd baada ya kumshawishi amtaliki, kwa maana hiyo alizini! Etc, etc! Sasa kutopotea kwa waislamu kupo wapi?
     
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    MaxShimba JF-Expert Member

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    Urais kwenye nchi ya watu. lol
     
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    October JF-Expert Member

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    Naomba anzisha Thread nyingine tusichanganye mambo kwenye hii thread ya watu ntakujibu maswali yako yote. Hata mimi nimeitafuta sijaiona labda wameifuta.
     
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    Shamu JF-Expert Member

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    Mwisho wa Zionist regime unakaribia.
     
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    MaxShimba JF-Expert Member

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    Wakuu, thread imepelekwa jukwaa la dini.

    Muombe invisible access ya kuingia jukwaa tukufu, just PM invisible, atakupa access. Ni private. Wala halionekani unless upewe ruhusa kuingia huko.

    Nikutamu kweli kweli huko.

    Karibu Mkuu,
     
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    October JF-Expert Member

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    Mkuu asante kwa information nitam PM sasa hivi.
     
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