Obama's - Post Election Thread

I expect the least anyway of him among all the past presidents of US. Not cause is black and thin and tall but a secret idea!
 
..halafu Hillary alishagombana na kujaribu kumfukuza kazi Rahm Emanuel. sasa kama sijui kama huu uteuzi wa Rahm ni ishara nzuri kwa Hillary.
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wandugu,

..hiyo hapo juu ni maneno yangu mwenyewe.

..sasa kuna program nimeangalia ambayo imenifanya niamini kwamba Rahm Emanuel na Hillary Clinton wamemaliza tofauti zao.

..pamoja na hayo nina wasiwasi kama Obama anaweza kumpa Hillary a high profile post kama secretary of state. pia sidhani kama atampa secretary of health ashughulikie suala la Health care, pamoja na ukweli kwamba Hillary ni mmoja kati ya wakereketwa wa suala hilo.

..nilisikia kwamba Hillary aliwahi kuwa short listed na Walter Mondale kuwa secretary of education. bahati mbaya Mondale alishindwa vibaya sana na Ronald Reagan.

..sasa kwa habari hiyo labda Obama atamteua Hillary Clinton kuwa secretary of education.

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..naona Dr.Lawrence Summers ni leading contender kuwa secretary of treasury. kuna wanaodai kwamba uteuzi wake ktk wakati mgumu wa uchumi usikwazwe na suala dogo[petty] kama kauli yake iliyoelekea kudhalilisha wanawake.

..John Kerry naye inasemekana atapewa asante yake kwa kuteuliwa secretary of state. lakini hapo hapo kuna wasiwasi kwamba, Obama akiteua maseneta wengi, basi itaathiri uwezo wa democrats kusukuma agenda zao in the senate.
 
GT,

Kama ni guilt by association, basi watu wengine wanaweza ku argue wakristo hawafai kupewa ofisi.

Huyu dada mwenyewe kafanya mchemko gani?

Otherwise haya mambo ya guilt by association yatakuwa na tofauti gani na fear mongering za McCain kuhusu uhusiano wa Obama na Rev. Wright?

For sure Obama atachemsha, na wengine tushaona anachemsha, lakini hujaweza kutuwekea information zinazoweza kuonyesha mchemko.

Kwa sisi ambao hatujasoma Hindu Nationalism movement hiyo hideous nature ya RSS haiko apparent, kwa hiyo kama unapoint inayomlink huyu mdada directly na hao ma RSS itoe hapa.

Ama sivyo itakuwa less than case ya Joseph Ratzinger ambaye alikuwa katika Hitler youth kutokana na zeitgeist iliyokuwepo Germany kote wakati huo na gullibility ya the german people (to an extent, only to an extent)

Kwa hiyo kama unakuja kumuua mtu, mwaga nondo zichekechwe, sio unakuja nusunusu kama unapima maji.
 
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Kitila Mkumbo said:
Get a different perspective on Obama's election.



PETER HITCHENS: The night we waved goodbye to America...our last best hope on Earth | Mail Online
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Great article, thanks for posting it. Anyone celebrating Obantu's win is in essence celebrating the fall of America. I couldn't put any better myself.

The night we waved goodbye to America... our last best hope on Earth

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Anyone would think we had just elected a hip, skinny and youthful replacement for God, with a plan to modernise Heaven and Hell – or that at the very least John Lennon had come back from the dead.

The swooning frenzy over the choice of Barack Obama as President of the United States must be one of the most absurd waves of self-deception and swirling fantasy ever to sweep through an advanced civilisation. At least Mandela-worship – its nearest equivalent – is focused on a man who actually did something.

I really don’t see how the Obama devotees can ever in future mock the Moonies, the Scientologists or people who claim to have been abducted in flying saucers. This is a cult like the one which grew up around Princess Diana, bereft of reason and hostile to facts.

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The night America changed: Barack and Michelle Obama in Chicago

It already has all the signs of such a thing. The newspapers which recorded Obama’s victory have become valuable relics. You may buy Obama picture books and Obama calendars and if there isn’t yet a children’s picture version of his story, there soon will be.

Proper books, recording his sordid associates, his cowardly voting record, his astonishingly militant commitment to unrestricted abortion and his blundering trip to Africa, are little-read and hard to find.

If you can believe that this undistinguished and conventionally Left-wing machine politician is a sort of secular saviour, then you can believe anything. He plainly doesn’t believe it himself. His cliche-stuffed, PC clunker of an acceptance speech suffered badly from nerves. It was what you would expect from someone who knew he’d promised too much and that from now on the easy bit was over.

He needn’t worry too much. From now on, the rough boys and girls of America’s Democratic Party apparatus, many recycled from Bill Clinton’s stained and crumpled entourage, will crowd round him, to collect the rich spoils of his victory and also tell him what to do, which is what he is used to.

More from Peter Hitchens... PETER HITCHENS: Why should we have to pay for 'stars' who spit in our faces? 01/11/08 PETER HITCHENS: Not even Kim Jong II could live down a visit from Mandy 25/10/08 PETER HITCHENS: We’re getting pounds and ounces back: Oh, and pigs might fly... 18/10/08 PETER HITCHENS: Nice scoop Mr Peston... shame about our pensions 11/10/08 PETER HITCHENS: Full of fake Tories, with the political grasp of a Teletubby 04/10/08 PETER HITCHENS: Four years breaking rocks...now that's what I call flexible 27/09/08 PETER HITCHENS: Our political parties are corpses and democracy as we used to know it is quite dead 20/09/08 It's the creepy plotters who rule us we should really be scared of 13/09/08 VIEW FULL ARCHIVE Just look at his sermon by the shores of Lake Michigan. He really did talk about a ‘new dawn’, and a ‘timeless creed’ (which was ‘yes, we can’). He proclaimed that ‘change has come’. He revealed that, despite having edited the Harvard Law Review, he doesn’t know what ‘enormity’ means. He reached depths of oratorical drivel never even plumbed by our own Mr Blair, burbling about putting our hands on the arc of history (or was it the ark of history?) and bending it once more toward the hope of a better day (Don’t try this at home).

I am not making this up. No wonder that awful old hack Jesse Jackson sobbed as he watched. How he must wish he, too, could get away with this sort of stuff.

And it was interesting how the President-elect failed to lift his admiring audience by repeated – but rather hesitant – invocations of the brainless slogan he was forced by his minders to adopt against his will – ‘Yes, we can’. They were supposed to thunder ‘Yes, we can!’ back at him, but they just wouldn’t join in. No wonder. Yes we can what exactly? Go home and keep a close eye on the tax rate, is my advice. He’d have been better off bursting into ‘I’d like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony’ which contains roughly the same message and might have attracted some valuable commercial sponsorship.

Perhaps, being a Chicago crowd, they knew some of the things that 52.5 per cent of America prefers not to know. They know Obama is the obedient servant of one of the most squalid and unshakeable political machines in America. They know that one of his alarmingly close associates, a state-subsidised slum landlord called Tony Rezko, has been convicted on fraud and corruption charges.

They also know the US is just as segregated as it was before Martin Luther King – in schools, streets, neighbourhoods, holidays, even in its TV-watching habits and its choice of fast-food joint. The difference is that it is now done by unspoken agreement rather than by law.

If Mr Obama’s election had threatened any of that, his feel-good white supporters would have scuttled off and voted for John McCain, or practically anyone. But it doesn’t. Mr Obama, thanks mainly to the now-departed grandmother he alternately praised as a saint and denounced as a racial bigot, has the huge advantages of an expensive private education. He did not have to grow up in the badlands of useless schools, shattered families and gangs which are the lot of so many young black men of his generation.

If the nonsensical claims made for this election were true, then every positive discrimination programme aimed at helping black people into jobs they otherwise wouldn’t get should be abandoned forthwith. Nothing of the kind will happen. On the contrary, there will probably be more of them.

And if those who voted for Obama were all proving their anti-racist nobility, that presumably means that those many millions who didn’t vote for him were proving themselves to be hopeless bigots. This is obviously untrue.

Yes we can what?: Barack Obama ran on the ticket of change


I was in Washington DC the night of the election. America’s beautiful capital has a sad secret. It is perhaps the most racially divided city in the world, with 15th Street – which runs due north from the White House – the unofficial frontier between black and white. But, like so much of America, it also now has a new division, and one which is in many ways much more important. I had attended an election-night party in a smart and liberal white area, but was staying the night less than a mile away on the edge of a suburb where Spanish is spoken as much as English, plus a smattering of tongues from such places as Ethiopia, Somalia and Afghanistan.

As I walked, I crossed another of Washington’s secret frontiers. There had been a few white people blowing car horns and shouting, as the result became clear. But among the Mexicans, Salvadorans and the other Third World nationalities, there was something like ecstasy.


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They grasped the real significance of this moment. They knew it meant that America had finally switched sides in a global cultural war. Forget the Cold War, or even the Iraq War. The United States, having for the most part a deeply conservative people, had until now just about stood out against many of the mistakes which have ruined so much of the rest of the world.

Suspicious of welfare addiction, feeble justice and high taxes, totally committed to preserving its own national sovereignty, unabashedly Christian in a world part secular and part Muslim, suspicious of the Great Global Warming panic, it was unique.

These strengths had been fading for some time, mainly due to poorly controlled mass immigration and to the march of political correctness. They had also been weakened by the failure of America’s conservative party – the Republicans – to fight on the cultural and moral fronts.

They preferred to posture on the world stage. Scared of confronting Left-wing teachers and sexual revolutionaries at home, they could order soldiers to be brave on their behalf in far-off deserts. And now the US, like Britain before it, has begun the long slow descent into the Third World. How sad. Where now is our last best hope on Earth?
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Totally baseless, ukisoma hiyo so called link hakuna lolote. More evidence please!! Obama will do fine, tatizo expectation ziko unrealistically high, so kutowaboa watu something extra ordinary will have to happen.
 
Game Theory said:
As someone who has studied the Hindu Nationalism and fanaticism i find this choice as quite disturbing considering how those RSS would make the Nazi's run for their money

the organisation: Sangh Parivar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the person:
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Obama team member has Sangh links- Hindustan Times
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Not any more disturbing than his previous associations. Compared to Bill Ayers or Farrakhan or Rev. "potty mouth" Wright I would say Obantu is improving his calibre of associates. Perhaps you would rather Obantu surround himself with Bantus only?
 
Watu walisema hatashinda!Ameshinnda sasa wanasema atachemsha!Mhuu Go Obama utafanya vizuri tu!
 
The Truth said:
Not any more disturbing than his previous associations. Compared to Bill Ayers or Farrakhan or Rev. "potty mouth" Wright I would say Obantu is improving his calibre of associates. Perhaps you would rather Obantu surround himself with Bantus only?
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Go to hell.
 
Game Theory said:
As someone who has studied the Hindu Nationalism and fanaticism i find this choice as quite disturbing considering how those RSS would make the Nazi's run for their money

the organisation: Sangh Parivar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the person:
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Obama team member has Sangh links- Hindustan Times



And please kama kuna mtu ana taka kudiscuss hii issue aje kamili kamili kwa sababu i know what i am talking about kuhusus hawa RSS
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Wewe ndiyo unaanza kuchemsha tena big time, kama unajua issue kwa nini unakuja nusunusu na kuanza kutishia member waje kamili kamili kudiscuss hii issue, unatutishia picha ya simba hapa. No more details no right to frighten people here, mwaga vyote halafu ndiyo uone watu wanakuchambuaje hapa.
 
Obama ana msimamo gani kuhusu comrade mugabe na zimbabwe yake!!???

Nikipata jibu hili nitajua kama atashinda au yaleyale!!!!!!
 
Pundit said:
GT,

Kama ni guilt by association, basi watu wengine wanaweza ku argue wakristo hawafai kupewa ofisi.

Huyu dada mwenyewe kafanya mchemko gani?

Otherwise haya mambo ya guilt by association yatakuwa na tofauti gani na fear mongering za McCain kuhusu uhusiano wa Obama na Rev. Wright?

For sure Obama atachemsha, na wengine tushaona anachemsha, lakini hujaweza kutuwekea information zinazoweza kuonyesha mchemko.

Kwa sisi ambao hatujasoma Hindu Nationalism movement hiyo hideous nature ya RSS haiko apparent, kwa hiyo kama unapoint inayomlink huyu mdada directly na hao ma RSS itoe hapa.

Ama sivyo itakuwa less than case ya Joseph Ratzinger ambaye alikuwa katika Hitler youth kutokana na zeitgeist iliyokuwepo Germany kote wakati huo na gullibility ya the german people (to an extent, only to an extent)

Kwa hiyo kama unakuja kumuua mtu, mwaga nondo zichekechwe, sio unakuja nusunusu kama unapima maji.
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obama PROMISED THE WORLD that his administration will run an ETHICAL FOREIGN POLICY but running an ethical foreign policy requires some careful appointments on who will advise him on SENSITIVE MATTERS such as those related to INDIA and KASHMIR

And this is where this new appointment comes in.But before i move forward you guys need to know WHO ARE the RSS and what sort of impact do they have in India and how their extremist views have left millions of people dead.




If some of you remeber back in 90's there extremist right wing political party The Bhartiya Janta Party (BJP), which came to power using its Hindutva card,


(For you who dont know what HIDUTVA which literally means 'Hindu-ness' or Hindu nationalism. It is the nationalist politics of Hindu assertion and is projected through an emphasis on Hindu rights, Hindu nationalism and Hindu rashtra [nation]. This involves the fundamental question of a definition of a nation, nationhood and national identity from a Hindu perspective. )

For brothers who wants to know more plse read here:





Http://.../wiki/Hindutva - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Now the BJP, With every election it intensifies its Hindutva agenda. The other members of the Sangh Parivar, specially the Vishva Hindu Parishad (VHP), tend to be more irresponsible as they do not have to govern. The VHP assumes extremist postures and threatens minorities. It is this irresponsible extremism which resulted in the Gujarat carnage which again shook the world. The BJP Government tends to be buffeted between the VHP extremism and National Democratic Coalition compulsions. It thus fails to adopt consistent policies.


where does this BROAD COMES in?


Her family or the SHAHS as they are know apparently remain active in Houston’s Indian community, not only in the ecumenical Gujarati Samaj (a society for people from Gujarat), but also in the far more cruel organizations of the Hindu Right, such as the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), the Overseas Friends of the BJP (the main political party of the Hindu Right aka BJP) and the Ekal Vidyalaya.


Now the interesting part is Shah’s parents, Ramesh and Kokila, not only work as volunteers for these outfits, but they also held positions of authority in them. And their daughter was not far behind. She was an active member of the VHPA, the U. S. branch of the most virulently fascistic outfit within India. The VHP’s head, Ashok Singhal, believes that his organization should “inculcate a fear psychosis among [India’s] Muslim community.” This was Shah’s boss.

I mean Obama's foreign policy is centered on amending wrongs done by BUSH BABY especially this none sense they call WAR ON TERROR but strangely he has employed a Muslim hating fanatic as his advisor on building relationships with the Muslim world


I take it some of you brothers are quite familiar with what happened in Ayodhya mosque and how deep that goes to the escalation of currently conflict in Kashmir.. and another point to not is that the VHPA is a very disciplined organization that demands a lot from its members – notably congruence in all the work that they do. Which is why I raised the question considering one of those who killed Indira Ghandi was a RSS member

The whole point is...this isnt going to be good when Obam decides to pursue India -Pakistan issues on Kashmir
 
Koba said:
.....the bigot Hitchens naona yuko bitter after his fellow conservatives kupewa kipigo,Hitchens ni wale watu bado wanaamini in white supremacy na wala sioni ajabu alichoandika hapo....aseme anachotaka lakini people of his likes wanazidi kupungua hii dunia kila siku!
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...oh please....
 
chinkala said:
Hapo kwenye 'blue' mie ndipo JF na Pundits wake ua wananiacha hoi! jamaa hata kuapishwa bado, haijapita hata wk toka ashinde, lakini wataalamu tayari wamesha tabiri na wanajua kuwa ATACHEMSHA:D!! Haya, sie wengine yetu macho.............
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Chinkala,

To err is human. Obama ni mungu wa kutokea wapi asichemshe?
 
Baada ya Barack Obama kuchaguliwa kuwa rais wa 44 wa Marekani wanakijiji wa Cavustepe katika Mkoa wa Van nchini Uturuki wameamua kumtolea kafara mheshimiwa Obama kwa kumchinjia kondoo 44.


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