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Obama Speech On The Middle East Touches On Israel vs Palestine Boundary Issues.

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  1. Askari Kanzu

    Askari Kanzu JF-Expert Member

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    Will Obama prove to be convincing?

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    Barack Obama will give a speech on the Arab uprisings and the Middle East peace process on Thursday.


    According to the Guardian, Barack Obama is to announce that the United States and the west will pour billions of dollars into the Middle East in support of Egypt, Tunisia and other countries embracing democracy, a move the White House portrayed as being on the scale of aid to former communist countries after the fall of the Berlin Wall.

    Speaking in Washington, the president will attempt to reposition the US as a champion of the newly-emerging Arab democracies. His speech comes amid criticism that the US has been too slow to support the uprisings, and has adopted contradictory approaches in its dealings with different countries.

    It is his most important speech on the Middle East since Cairo in 2009, when he called for a new beginning in relations between the US and the Muslim world. The support for Obama in the Arab world in 2009 has since dropped sharply.

    The speech will deal mainly with the Arab spring, hailing the benefits of democracy and respect for human rights, in spite of America's long-time support for authoritarian regimes in the region.

    Senior Obama administration officials, briefing on the speech, said he will take a fresh look at the Middle East after a decade of tension and division. With the winding down of the Iraq war and the death of Osama bin Laden, "we are turning a page", one official said, adding that the democracy movements reinforced this.

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    Maji yamemfika kooni Mjaluo............Njia pekee ni kurusha karata Dume mashariki ya kati tu......
     
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    Mhhh
    Naona obama ameiwasha sana, yawezekana yule anayetuhumiwa kubaka alikuwa anawatosa. Hapo hapo Obama kaongeza marekani wana plan kabambe ya biashara na North Africa. Mhhhh

    "Palestine will never realize freedom by denying the Israel to exist-and our friendship with Israel is deep and unshakable"-by Obama
     
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    Key quotes from Obama's Middle East speech

    WASHINGTON | Thu May 19, 2011 1:43pm EDT

    (Reuters) - President Barack Obama addressed the convulsive events sweeping North Africa and the Middle East and offered a glimpse of a U.S. peace plan for Israel and the Palestinians in a speech Thursday.

    Following are some of the key passages of the 45-minute speech:

    OSAMA BIN LADEN

    "Bin Laden was no martyr. He was a mass murderer who offered a message of hate - an insistence that Muslims had to take up arms against the West, and that violence against men, women and children was the only path to change. He rejected democracy and individual rights for Muslims in favor of violent extremism; his agenda focused on what he could destroy - not what he could build."

    ON UPRISINGS THAT BEGAN IN TUNISIA WITH A VENDOR'S DEATH

    "The story of this Revolution, and the ones that followed, should not have come as a surprise. The nations of the Middle East and North Africa won their independence long ago, but in too many places their people did not. In too many countries, power has been concentrated in the hands of the few. In too many countries, a citizen like that young vendor had nowhere to turn - no honest judiciary to hear his case; no independent media to give him voice; no credible political party to represent his views; no free and fair election where he could choose his leader.

    "... But the events of the past six months show us that strategies of repression and diversion won't work anymore. Satellite television and the Internet provide a window into the wider world - a world of astonishing progress in places like India, Indonesia and Brazil. Cell phones and social networks allow young people to connect and organize like never before. A new generation has emerged. And their voices tell us that change cannot be denied."

    US POLICY TOWARD THE EVENTS

    "The United States opposes the use of violence and repression against the people of the region. We support a set of universal rights. Those rights include free speech; the freedom of peaceful assembly; freedom of religion; equality for men and women under the rule of law; and the right to choose your own leaders - whether you live in Baghdad or Damascus; Sanaa or Tehran. And finally, we support political and economic reform in the Middle East and North Africa that can meet the legitimate aspirations of ordinary people throughout the region. ... It will be the policy of the United States to promote reform across the region, and to support transitions to democracy."

    LIBYA

    "Now, time is working against Gaddafi. He does not have control over his country. The opposition has organized a legitimate and credible Interim Council. And when Gaddafi inevitably leaves or is forced from power, decades of provocation will come to an end, and the transition to a democratic Libya can proceed."

    SYRIA

    "The Syrian people have shown their courage in demanding a transition to democracy. President Assad now has a choice: he can lead that transition, or get out of the way. The Syrian government must stop shooting demonstrators and allow peaceful protests; release political prisoners and stop unjust arrests; allow human rights monitors to have access to cities like Dara'a; and start a serious dialogue to advance a democratic transition. Otherwise, President Assad and his regime will continue to be challenged from within and isolated abroad."

    IRAN AND YEMEN

    "Our opposition to Iran's intolerance - as well as its illicit nuclear program, and its sponsorship of terror - is well known. But if America is to be credible, we must acknowledge that our friends in the region have not all reacted to the demands for change consistent with the principles that I have outlined today. That is true in Yemen, where President Saleh needs to follow through on his commitment to transfer power."

    BAHRAIN

    "The only way forward is for the government and opposition to engage in a dialogue, and you can't have a real dialogue when parts of the peaceful opposition are in jail. The government must create the conditions for dialogue, and the opposition must participate to forge a just future for all Bahrainis.

    EGYPT AND TUNISIA

    "First, we have asked the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund to present a plan at next week's G-8 summit for what needs to be done to stabilize and modernize the economies of Tunisia and Egypt. Together, we must help them recover from the disruption of their democratic upheaval, and support the governments that will be elected later this year."

    ISRAEL AND PALESTINIANS

    "So while the core issues of the conflict must be negotiated, the basis of those negotiations is clear: a viable Palestine, and a secure Israel. The United States believes that negotiations should result in two states, with permanent Palestinian borders with Israel, Jordan, and Egypt, and permanent Israeli borders with Palestine. The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states. The Palestinian people must have the right to govern themselves, and reach their potential, in a sovereign and contiguous state.

    "As for security, every state has the right to self-defense, and Israel must be able to defend itself - by itself - against any threat. Provisions must also be robust enough to prevent a resurgence of terrorism; to stop the infiltration of weapons; and to provide effective border security. The full and phased withdrawal of Israeli military forces should be coordinated with the assumption of Palestinian security responsibility in a sovereign, non-militarized state. The duration of this transition period must be agreed, and the effectiveness of security arrangements must be demonstrated."
     
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    Hii inaonesha dhahili yule jamaa Kahn waamerika wamemfanyizia hizo shutuma za kubaka; jana waziri wa fedha wa marekani amesisitiza kuwa nafasi ya Kahn lazima ipatiwe mtu na leo Obama anatoa amri kuwa IMF iwe na mipango juu ya Tunisia na Egypt by next week!! Jamani hamuoni kuwa kulikuwa na mpango wa kijasusi wa kumtosa huyu mfaransa /
     
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    Watch President Obama's Full Speech on Mideast Policy

     
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    Pre-1967 Borders, The status QUO is unsustainable. OUCH!!! Yaani kama nawaona AIPAC vile sharubu zikiwacheza.
    Ni yuleyule Obama THE REALIST!!!
     
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    za Mashariki ya Kati: Ataka Israeli irejee mipaka ya 1967


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    Na. M. M. Mwanakijiji (Fikra Pevu)

    Rais wa Marekani Bw. Barack Obama siku ya Alhamisi ametoa hotuba ya kihistoria kuhusiana na mwelekeo wa mchakato wa amani huko Mashariki ya Kati ambapo kikuu alichokianishia ni mwelekeo mpya wa sera za Marekani kuhusiana na mgogoro wa Mashariki ya Kati ya Waisraeli na Wapalestina.

    Hata hivyo kabla ya kuainisha maono ya serikali yake kuhusu mgogoro huyo Bw. Obama alitumia muda mrefu kuelezea mtazamo wa taifa lake kufuatia Mwamko wa Waarabu wa mapema mwaka huu ambapo tawala za muda mrefu katika Afrika ya Kaskazini na maeneo mengine ya Mashariki ya Kati zimetikiswa na nyingine kungÂ’oka kufuatia wimbi la maandamano ya raia wakidai haki zao mbalimbali na utu wao.


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    nafikiri amechelewa sana manake mwakani ni ngumu kurudi white house
     
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    Lakini mimi nilifurahia pale aliposema lazi taifa la Palestine liwe huru na mipaka ya Taifa hilo iwe ile inayotambulika na UN tangu 1946 Hivyo bado na subiri Kikako cha wiki ijayo cha Neutanyau na Obama kuhusu hiyo kauli ya Obama.
     
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    Ni mwelekeo mzuri ila tatizo la hawa jamaa ni maswahiba sana (Israel & U.S), kwenye media wanaongea mengine then badae wanapigiana simu kupanga mengine!!! Lile lililoongelewa kwenye media hutakaa uone utekelezaji wake!!! That`s the problem!!!!!

     
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    Ni mnafik tu kwa nini isiwe ya kabla ya 1946?
     
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    Kabla ya 1946 Israel/Palestine lilikuwa koloni la Uingereza. Mwaka 1947 UN lilipitishwa Azimio la UN kuigawanya nchi hiyo! Sasa tueleze ni kwa nini mipaka ya kabla ya 1946 ifuatwe?
     
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    huyu jamaa asipoangalia itakuwa ngumu sana kurudi white house
     
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    Should I start believing the preachers in New York? Israel kamwe haitakubali hilo litokee na hapo kama tu waamini basi tuanze kujiandaa kwa vita vya Israel na dunia ambapo itaachwa pekee ijitetee huku dunia yote ikiigeuka na kuamua kuipiga; Israel kwa mara ya kwanza itapigwa na mji wa Yerusalemu utatekwa mpaka robo tatu yake hata hivyo waisrael hawatakubali ku surrender na watamkumbuka Mungu wao watamlilia na wote kwa pamoja wataungana kumwani ndipo sasa Mungu ataikumbuka ahadi yake kwa Israelkwamba hatwaacha wala hata wapungukia kwa chochote na ndipo sasa simba wa Yuda mwenyewe atashuka kuja kupigana na waasi wa dunia kuwaokoa wana wa Israel maana watakuwa wametubu mioyoni mwao. Hapo mifereji ya damu itamwagika from Israel kiasi kwamba mito yote na sura yote ya maji duniani itageuka damu....Ndiyo hiyo vitakuu vya mwisho. Soon and very soon we are going to see the King x4! Alleluja x2 We are going to see the King!

    Wana heri wote waiombeao amani Israel; Ewe Israel sikia sauti ya Mungu wako kaa tayari kwa siku ya utungu!

    Psm 79
    O God the heathen are come into thine inheritance; thy holly temple have they defiled; they have laid Jerusalem on heaps. The dead bodies of thy servants have they given to be the meat unto the fowls of the heaven, the flesh of thy saints unto the beasts of the earth. Their blood have they shed like water round about Jerusalem; and there was none to bury them...........How long Lord? wilt thou be angry forever? Shall thy jelous burn like fire?.......Help Israel o God of salvation for the glory of thy name........Wherefore should the heathen say, where is their God?......
     
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    hakuna jema kwenu?
     
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    Likely 2012 Republican candidates blasted out statements condemning the president's declaration, backed up by Republicans in Congress.

    "President Obama has thrown Israel under the bus. He has disrespected Israel and undermined its ability to negotiate peace," former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney

    "President Obama's insistence on a return to the 1967 borders is a mistaken and very dangerous demand," former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty

    Republican House Majority Leader Eric Cantor


    "Today, the President outlined his hopes for Mideast peace – a goal that we all share – but failed to articulate a serious plan for achieving this goal, this approach undermines our special relationship with Israel and weakens our ally's ability to defend itself."

    "The President's habit of drawing a moral equivalence between the actions of the Palestinians and the Israelis while assessing blame for the conflict is, in and of itself, harmful to the prospect for peace "
     
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    kila mtu ana haki ya kuishi na kutambulika.
    sasa sijui nani atakubali hili hapo
     
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    Israel rejects total pullback to 1967 borders







    Analysis & Opinion















    [​IMG] Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gestures as he speaks during the opening of the summer session of the Knesset, the Israeli parliament, in Jerusalem May 16, 2011.
    Credit: Reuters/Ronen Zvulun





    By Jeffrey Heller
    TEL AVIV | Thu May 19, 2011 5:28pm EDT

    TEL AVIV (Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu headed for talks in Washington on Friday saying that U.S. President Barack Obama's vision of a Palestinian state on the borders of 1967 could leave Israel "indefensible."
    "The viability of a Palestinian state cannot come at the expense of Israel's existence," he said in a statement before flying to the United States for scheduled talks with Obama.
    Responding to a major Obama speech on Thursday outlining Middle East strategy, Netanyahu said he expected Washington to let Israel keep major settlement blocs beyond the 1967 lines in the occupied West Bank, under any peace deal with Palestinians.
    Israeli officials seemed taken aback by the language in Obama's speech. Asked if Netnayahu had been forewarned by Washington, one said: "No comment." But some Israeli reporters accompanying the prime minister predicted a stormy meeting.
    Setting out the principles of a Middle East peace accord, Obama reaffirmed the U.S. commitment to Israel's security.
    He called for a deal resulting in two states, Israel and Palestine, sharing the border that existed before Israel captured the West Bank in the 1967 Middle East war.
    It would include "mutually agreed land swaps," he said. In a pointed reply, Netanyahu said he expected "to hear a reaffirmation from President Obama of U.S. commitments made to Israel in 2004" -- an allusion to a letter by then-President George W. Bush suggesting the Jewish state may keep big settlement blocs as part of any peace pact.
    "Those commitments relate to Israel not having to withdraw to the 1967 lines," Netanyahu added. Such a border, Netanyahu said, would be "indefensible."
    ABBAS "APPRECIATES" OBAMA EFFORTS
    Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas welcomed Obama's efforts to renew the talks with Israel that collapsed last year, and had made plans to convene an "emergency" session of Palestinian and Arab officials to weigh further steps, a senior aide said.
    Saeb Erekat, a former chief peace negotiator, said: "Abbas expresses his appreciation of the continuous efforts exerted by President Obama with the objective of resuming the permanent status talks in the hope of reaching a final status agreement."
    Obama's blunt language about the need to find an end to Israel's occupation of Arab land looked certain to be the crunch issue in his talks with Netanyahu.
    "The dream of a Jewish and democratic state cannot be fulfilled with permanent occupation," Obama said.
    His emphasis on 1967 borders went further than Obama has before in offering principles for resolving the stalemate between Israel and the Palestinians. But he stopped short of presenting a formal U.S. peace plan.
    Obama's criticism of continued Israeli "settlement activity" sent a message to Netanyahu on the eve of their talks that Washington expects the Jewish state to make concessions.
    A senior member of Netanyahu's right-wing Likud party, Danny Danon, accused Obama of seeking to destroy Israel by adopting the vision of the late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.
    "Netanyahu only has one option: to tell Obama to forget about it," Danon said, according to Israeli media.
    However, Obama's suggestion that negotiations should focus initially on territory and security, leaving the difficult issues of Jerusalem and the return of Palestinian refugees to a later date, appeared to chime with Netanyahu's own position.
    Likewise, Obama's firm rejection of Palestinian moves to seek recognition of their statehood at the United Nations delighted Israeli officials. Abbas made no comment.
    The Palestinians plan to pursue their statehood quest in September at the annual meeting of the U.N. General Assembly.
    Peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians, brokered by Washington, collapsed last year when Netanyahu refused to extend a moratorium on Jewish settlement-building in the West Bank and Abbas refused to carry on negotiations.
    In Gaza, the Islamist Palestinian movement Hamas said Obama had no business criticizing the recent reconciliation pact between Hamas and Abbas's secular Fatah movement, intended to end a damaging four-year split and produce a unity government.
    "The peoples of the region are not in need of Obama's lectures," spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said. "Obama reaffirmed his absolute support for the policies of the (Israeli) occupation and his rejection of any criticism of the Occupation."
    "We affirm that Palestinian reconciliation is a Palestinian affair and that the (peace) negotiations have proven to be pointless," he said. "Hamas will never recognize the Israeli occupation under any circumstances
     
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