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Nikisema viongozi wa dini ni wanafkini ni kosa kwa hili?

Discussion in 'Jukwaa la Siasa' started by Jethro, Nov 18, 2010.

  1. Jethro

    Jethro JF-Expert Member

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    Wana JF,

    Kwanza natanguliza samahani kwa wale ntakao kuwa nimewakwaza ila inanibidi nisema hili kwani linanigusa sana,

    Moja Kabla ya Uchaguzi kulizuka sana minong'ono kuwa kuna UDINi basi hapo viongozi wa madhehebu mengi wakapiga vita kuuhusu ilo swala la UDINI na Kuhubili AMANI na wakasahau kuhubiri HAKI kwa hali na mali sasa baaada ya Uchaguzi kuisha basi hakuna tena wa kumshauri Rais Aliye Apishwa JK Mrisho kuwa sasa anatakiwa kuchagua baraza lake la Mawaziri kwa kuzingatia uadilifu wa viongozi atakao wateuwa kuwa mawaziri wasio na kashfa au tuhuma zozote eg UFISADI.

    Pili viongozi hawa wa dini hawajamwambia Rais asimamie HAKI na usawa na ita leta AMANI.

    Matokeo yake baada ya Rais kuapishwa basi Viongozi wote wa DINI kimya sijasikia hata mmoja akitoa tamko lolote kumweleza Rais.

    Je huu ulikuwa ni unafki tuu wa kujikosha au ulikuwa ni uoga wa kutokea machafuko???? Sasa hapo nini wanacho tetea kwa wananchi katika serikali yao??
     
  2. TANMO

    TANMO JF-Expert Member

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    Mkuu samahani: Hivi viongozi wa dini wana sauti juu ya maamuzi yeyote anayotaiwa kuyafanya mhishimiwa Rahisi?

    Yaani kikatiba hilo suala linakubalika au?
     
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    Gurtu JF-Expert Member

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    Hawana sauti kikatiba ila huwa wanatumiwa na wanasiasa kwa matashi ya kisiasa kwa ajili ya kujihalalishia madudu yao
     
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    FarLeftist JF-Expert Member

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    hawajaongea lolote kuhusu kuchakachuliwa kwa kura, dini zinasemaje kuhusu wizi?
     
  5. Domhome

    Domhome JF-Expert Member

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    Mkuu nakubaliana nawe viongozi wengi wa Dini Tanzania ni wanafiki, kwasababu zifuatazo:

    • Kabla ya uchaguzi walikuwa wakidai wanaombea nchi ifanye uchaguzi kwa AMANI,
    • Mara baada ya uchaguzi wenye mashaka, kasoro nyingi, wizi wa kura nk. wao walipaswa kutoa tamko kwa NEC kuitaka iharakishe kutoa matokeo ili kupunguza MUNKARI na hasira za wapiga KURA. Lakini hawakufanya hivyo!!
    • Matokeo yalipotoka walipaswa kwenda kuwaeleza ukweli TUME kuwa, wamefanya mchezo mchafu wao pamoja na CCM
    • Mwisho, viongozi hao hao wa DINI walipaswa kuwa wakwanza KUPINGA matokeo ya NEC na kuomba Serikali pamoja na Mamlaka husika kuunda TUME huru, ili kuchunguza mchakato mzima wa uchaguzi toka Daftari la Wapiga KURA, vituo vya kupigia KURA na hadi Zoezi la Kuhesabu na Kutangazwa kwa matokeo. Lakini wao wakawa/wako kimya hadi sasa.
    Mkuu, kweli ni Wanafiki wametumiwa na CCM kama DELILA alivyotumiwa na WAFILISTI.
     
  6. Gaijin

    Gaijin JF-Expert Member

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    wafuasi ndo wanafiki kuliko hata hao viongozi.

    Mfuasi hakumbuki lini mara ya mwisho ameenda kanisani au msikitini wala hakumbuki mara ya mwisho alofungua bible au msahafu, lakini yupo tayari kuchagua kiongozi kwa dini yake tu.

    Bora hata hao atheists wanaweka wazi hadharani kuwa hawaamini mungu kuliko ya wafuasi wanafiki.
     
  7. Omuregi Wasu

    Omuregi Wasu JF-Expert Member

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    Naunga hoja mkono. Ni wanafiki na hawafai kuitwa au kuongoza wateule wa Mungu. Unafiki wao umezidi mipaka hasa kwa dini za kikristo. Ebu fikiria Baba Askofu wa Singinda anaenda kumwomba Tindu Lisu awazuie washabiki wake wasisherekee ushindi kwa sababu atawahumiza moyo walioshindwa..... ni wangapi katika majimbo yote wameshindwa na sherehe za walioshinda zilikubalika? Uozo huu umeanza kufanya hata maudhurio makanisani kupungua.
    Kama wamo viongozi wa Dini hapa JF basi wajirekebishe!!
     
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    emalau JF-Expert Member

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    Mi ni mmojawapo niliyepunguza maudhulio kanisani kwa kuwa they can no longer be trusted

    Niliwahi kuwasilisha hapa JF kwamba mkazo wa viongozi wa dini upo kwenye amani na sio haki. Tha's absolutely ridiculous. Amani inayopatikana bila haki ni amani ya kinafiki.
     
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    Magobe T JF-Expert Member

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    Viongozi wa dini wako katika hali ngumu kweli: wakifanya hivi wanaambiwa wanaingilia siasa au wanachanganya dini na siasa. Wasipofanya kitu, wanalaumiwa na kuambiwa ni wanafiki. Sasa wafanye nini? Inabidi wao wenyewe waone ni kipi wafanye au wasifanye kwani kwa lolote watakaloamua kufanya watalaumiwa tu!
     
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    Mkandara Verified User

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    Jethro,
    Mkuu wewe ndio umewashitukia leo?...Dini na siasa huleta Udini hakuna jingine, sasa wamerudi kujipanga kutafuta tax excemption
     
  11. Ustaadh

    Ustaadh JF-Expert Member

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    Kwani ni lini viongozi wa dini waliacha kuwa wanafiki - wamekuwa hivyo tangu kuumbwa kwa ulimwengu. Wengi wao hutumia dini kwa masilahi yao na ni nadra kwao kupingana na anayetawala kwani kwa kufanya hivyo watahatarisha 'ulaji' wao. Hili halina ubishi!
     
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    sensa JF-Expert Member

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    Mie nafikiri wapigwe marufuku kushiriki siasa katika namna yoyte ile,huu udini unaoonekana kupigiwa kelele wameuleta wao na ccm.2005 Kilaini alisema JK rais chaguo la Mungu watu wakakaa kimya,kipindi hiki kaja Slaa wakazua udini kisa kapata support kutoka kwa viongozi fulani wa dini.Sioni sababu ya yote haya,taasisi za dini zisijihusishe kwa vyovyote vile na mambo ya siasa.
     
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    In Focus New Member

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    Huna tofauti na anaekataa shule kisa walimu ni wezi, mbumbumbu. Kama unadhani utaishi milele acha dini.
     
  14. Jethro

    Jethro JF-Expert Member

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    Ni Bora wawe Baridi au Moto Kuliko kuwa vuguvugu

     
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    chamajani JF-Expert Member

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    Sasa kama hawajatumiwa kuhusu hil la baraza la mawaziri na wao wataanzia wapi?
     
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