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Ni Ipi Hasa Siku ya Kwanza ya Wiki? Jumamosi? Jumapili au Jumatatu?

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  1. Superman

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    • Kuna wanaosema siku ya kwanza ni Jumamosi na hivyo siku ya saba ni Ijumaa.
    • Kuna wanaosema siku ya kwanza ni Jumapili na hivyo siku ya saba ni Jumamosi.
    • Kuna wanaosema siku ya kwanza ni Jumatatu na hivyo siku ya saba ni Jumapili.
    Ni ipi hasa siku hiyo kwa uhakika na kwa nini?
     
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    Jumatatu siku ya kwanza ya wiki jumamosi siku ya kwana ya juma
     
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    Du! Limbukeni;

    Ni nini tofauti kati ya Juma na Wiki?
     
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    nasubiri msaada hapo
     
  5. Superman

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    Haaa . . .

    Nadhani Wiki imetafsiriwa kutoka Kiingereza yaani WEEK ambayo maana yake kwa kiswahili ni Juma.
     
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    Mzee kinachokuchanganya ni nini?? unatumialugha gani na unatafsiri kivipi??

    Jumamosi-kwa kiswahili sanifu ni moja!

    Na ijumaa ni siku ya saba.

    Hii ni kwa mujibu wa kalenda ya kiarabu na kwa kutumia lugha unayoitumia hapa.


    Ukitumia calender za wa-bratain ndiyo unapata Jtatu siku ya kwanza so jumapili siku ya saba!

    Ukitumia kalenda ya jewish unapata Jumamosi siku ya saba hivyo jmapili kuwa siku ya kwanza!

    Ukienda kwa wachina, wajapan,wahindi n.k wana calender zao na siku za majina yao!

    In global world british calendering system ndiyo imetawala japo kuna proof kuwa waliikopi kutoka misri!

    Sijajua lengo lako ni nini la kuuliza swali kama ni la kidini then utapata majibu pengine usiyitaka kuyakubali

    Mimi ni mpentecost, naabudu jumapili, lakini tukisema tufuate jewis system basi wasabato wanasali siku ya saba ambayo ni jumamosi

    VIKISIKUCHANGANYE MKUU, maan ungezaliwa na kuambiwa kuna siku 10 katika wiki ungekubali tu
     
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    ukoloni bado unatutawala kwa maana mara nyingi waswahili hujitamba na kiingereza ili kujionyesha kama ni msomi....?

    ‘'I have come to the conclusion that politics are too serious a matter to be left to the politicians''. Charles De Gaulle (1890 - 1970)
     
  8. Superman

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    Asante Mkuu;

    Nimekupata vema.


    Sasa nisaidie kitu kimoja, ni nini chimbuko la kuwa na siku saba na siyo siku kumi. Na je, unafahamu chochote kihistoria?
     
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    Sijakupata Mkuu Osama.
     
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    Naamini bwana waberoya kajitahidi kukuelewesha japo vilevile kuna imani tofauti kutoka sehemu moja kwenda nyingine.Kuhusu kwa nini juma lisiwe siku 10.Hizi siku zimewekwa ili mambo yaende vinginevyo tungeshindwa kuendesha mambo yetu kwa mipaka.Kingine kikubwa ni kuwa kama ujuavyo wanaoamuru namna ya kufuata siku saa miezi nk ni wafuasi wakubwa wa Ukristo na inaamika katika Biblia kuwa Mungu alifanya kazi zake lakini alipumzika siku ya saba,kwa kuwa haielezi zaidi Mungu aliendelea kufanya nini siku ya nane,tisa,.........hivyo ikaaminika kuwa juma lina siku7.Hata hivyo ingesemwa kuwa juma lina siku 10 ingekuwa sahihi kwani sasa mwezi ungekuwa na majuma matatu na mwaka ungekuwa na majuma matano.
    Naamini nimesomeka
    Kazi kwako.
    ImaVena
     
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    Asante Jile, nimekupata vizuri.

    Lengo la thread hii ni kutaka kujua Kihistoria siku hasa inaanzia lini maana kama Waberoya alivyoongea makundi mbalimbali wana hesabu tofauti ingawa wote wanahesabu siku saba saba. lazima kutakuwa na kiini.
     
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    Kwa mujibu wa vitabu vya Musa katika biblia, ndio kwa mara ya kwanza tunaona katika maono ya Musa wakati anaandika kitabu cha mwanzo.

    ebu pata hiki kipande nimeiba kwa Peter Meyer.


    Wherever the Common Era Calendar (a.k.a. the Gregorian Calendar) is used — and it is now used by the governments of all countries — a week of seven days is also used in conjunction with it. But there is no 7‑day cycle in Nature from which this could have been derived, so why a week of seven days?

    People use a 7‑day week because they have been born into a world where this is customary. In other words, the 7‑day week has been received from earlier generations. It has a long history. When the Roman emperor Constantine made Christianity the state religion early in the 4th Century CE the 7‑day week was officially associated with the Julian Calendar, and the association remained after the Julian Calendar was replaced by the Gregorian Calendar in the 16th Century CE.

    The Christians received the 7‑day week from the Jews (in fact, the original Christians were Jews). The Jewish explanation for its use is that this was commanded by their god, named by them YHWH (using the Hebrew letters Yod-He-Vav-He). The Jewish Pentateuch (incorporated into the Old Testament of the Christian Bible) contains several injunctions attributed to YHWH which mention "a seventh day", upon which no "work" is to be done.

    Whether or not a 7‑day week was in use by the Jews at the time of Moses in the middle of the 2nd millennium BCE is highly debatable, since YHWH's commands to Moses are not preserved in any contemporary records but only in documents which were composed around the middle of the first millennium BCE.

    But in any case the 7‑day week is much older than the time of Moses, since it was also used by the Sumerians and Babylonians. Kerry Farmer remarks that "Some Historians believe that around 2350 BC Sargon I, King of Akkad, having conquered Ur and the other cities of Sumeria, instituted a seven-day week, the first to be recorded."

    In many European languages the names of the days of the week are derived from the names of planets/gods. The table below (adapted from a web page by Dr Kelley Ross) gives the names for the planets/gods in various languages and the English name of the corresponding day of the week.
    The PlanetsSumerianBabylonianGreekLatinEnglishDay nameNannaSinSelenêLunaMoonMondayEnkiNabûHermesMercuriusMercuryWednesdayInannaIshtarAphroditêVenusVenusFridayUtuShamashHeliosSôlSunSundayGugalannaNergalAresMarsMarsTuesdayEnlilMardukZeusIuppiterJupiterThursdayNinurtaNinurtaKronosSaturnusSaturnSaturday
    source: Why Seven Days in a Week?

    ukisoma hii article mpaka mwishoni itakueleza origin ya siku 7 kwa kutumia utaalamu wa unajimu na mwezi.

    lakini swali je kuna tofauti gani kati ya Jumamosi na jumanne

    kama ingekuwa

    Jumamosi jua jekundu
    Ijumaa jua la kijani
    Jumatatu jua la njano

    n.k

    tungekuwa na la kusema

    kwa hiyo imekaa 'customary zaidi' na kimapokeoa zaidi kuliko uhalisia wa kisayansi!
     
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    Waberoya;

    Asante sana Mkuu. Napata picha sasa.

    Je tunaweza kusema kuwa origin yake ni kutoka katika Juma la uumbaji ambalo dini nyingi zinaamini japo si Sayansi?

    Suppose kuwa hiyo 7 days Weekly Cycle inakubalika kutoka katika uuumbaji. Je katika hilo kuna ushahidi wowote ambao uko preserved kuwa Siku ya Kwanza ilikuwa ni Ipi na Siku ya Saba ni Ipi, au zilikuja kuvurugika?
     
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    * Sunday: Old English Sunnandæg (pronounced [sun.nan.dæg] or [sun.nan.dæj), meaning "Day of the Sun". This is a translation of the Latin phrase Dies Solis. English, like most of the Germanic languages, preserves the original pagan/sun associations of the day. Many other European languages, including all of the Romance languages, have changed its name to the equivalent of "the Lord's day" (based on Ecclesiastical Latin Dies Dominica). Compare: Spanish and Portuguese Domingo, French Dimanche, Romanian Duminică and Italian Domenica. In both West Germanic and North Germanic mythology the sun is personified as a goddess; Sunna/Sól.

    * Monday: Old English Mōnandæg (pronounced [mon.nan.dæg] or [mon.nan.dæj'), meaning "Day of the Moon". This is likely based on a translation of the Latin name Dies Lunae (cf. Romance language versions of the name, e.g., French Lundi, Spanish, Lunes, Romanian Luni, Italian Lunedì). In North Germanic mythology, the moon is personified as a god; Máni.

    * Tuesday: Old English Tiwesdæg (pronounced [ti.wes.dæg] or [ti.wes.dæj], meaning "Tyr's day." Tyr (in Old English, Tiw, Tew or Tiu) was a one-armed god associated with battle and pledges in Norse mythology and also attested prominently in wider Germanic paganism. The name of the day is based on Latin Dies Martis, "Day of Mars" (the Roman war god); compare: French Mardi, Spanish Martes, Romanian Marţi and Italian Martedì.

    * Wednesday: Old English Wōdnesdæg (pronounced [woːd.nes.dæg] or [woːd.nes.dæj) meaning the day of the Germanic god Wodan (later known as Óðinn in among the North Germanic peoples), and a prominent god of the Anglo-Saxons (and other Germanic peoples) in England until about the seventh century. It is based on Latin Dies Mercurii, "Day of Mercury"; compare: French Mercredi, Spanish Miércoles, Romanian Miercuri and Italian Mercoledì. The connection between Mercury and Odin is more strained than the other syncretic connections. The usual explanation is that both Wodan and Mercury were considered psychopomps, or leaders of souls, in their respective mythologies; both are also associated with poetic and musical inspiration. German Mittwoch and Finnish keskiviikko both mean 'mid-week'.

    * Thursday: Old English Þūnresdæg (pronounced [θuːn.res.dæg] or [θuːn.res.dæj]), meaning the day of Þunor, commonly known in Modern English as Thor, the god of thunder in Norse Mythology and Germanic Paganism. It is based on the Latin Dies Iovis, "Day of Jupiter"; compare: French Jeudi, Spanish Jueves, Romanian Joi and Italian Giovedì. In the Roman pantheon, Jupiter was the chief god, who seized and maintained his power on the basis of his thunderbolt (Fulmen).

    * Friday: Old English Frigedæg (pronounced [fri.je.dæg] or [fri.je.dæj]), meaning the day of the Anglo-Saxon goddess Frige, and is attesred among the North Germanic peoples as Frigg. It is based on the Latin Dies Veneris, "Day of Venus"; compare: French Vendredi, Spanish Viernes, Romanian Vineri and Italian Venerdì. Venus was the Roman goddess of beauty, love and sex.

    * Saturday: the only day of the week to retain its Roman origin in English, named after the Roman god Saturn associated with the Titan Cronus, father of Zeus and many Olympians. Its original Anglo-Saxon rendering was Sæturnesdæg (pronounced [sæ.tur.nes.dæg] or [sæ.tur.nes.dæj]). In Latin it was Dies Saturni, "Day of Saturn"; compare: French Samedi. The Spanish and Portuguese Sábado, the Romanian Sâmbătă, and the Italian Sabato come from Sabbata Dies (Day of the Sabbath).
     
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    Im lost!
     
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    You must be...!
     
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    Five-day

    Javanese
    The Javanese people of Indonesia have a 5 day week known as the Pasaran cycle. This is still in use today and superimposed with Gregorian calendar and Islamic calendar to become what is known as the Wetonan Cycle.

    Six day

    Between 1929 and 1931 USSR changed from the 7 day week to a 5 day week. There were 72 weeks and an additional 5 national holidays inserted within 3 of them totaling a year of 365 days.

    Soviet Union
    In 1931 after the Soviet Union's 5 day week they changed to a 6 day week. Every 6th day (6th, 12th, 18th, 24th and 30th) of the Gregorian Calendar was a state rest day. The 5 additional national holidays in the earlier 5 day week remained and did not fall on the state rest day.

    But as January, March, May, July, August, October and December have 31 days, the week after the state rest day of the 30th was 7 days long (31st-7th). This extra day was a working day for most or extra holiday for others.

    Also as February is only 28 or 29 days depending if a leap year or not, the 1st of March was also made a state rest day, although not every enterprise conformed to this.

    To clarify, the week after the state rest day of the 24th; 25th February to the 1st March, was only 5 or 6 days long, depending if a leap year or not. The week after that; 2nd to 6th March, only 5 days.

    The calendar was abandoned 26 June 1940 and the 7 day week reintroduced the day after.
    Main article: Soviet_calendar#Six-day_weeks

    Akan
    The Akan people have 42 day cycle known as Adaduanan. The Adaduanan cycle appears to be based on an older six-day week, still extant in some northern Guan communities such as the Nchumuru , on which is superimposed a seven-day week which may have been brought south with itinerant traders from the Savannah.

    The six-day week is referred to as Nanson (literally seven-days) and reflect the lack of zero in the numbering systems; the last day and the first day are both included when counting the days of a week.


    Eight-day

    Etruscans (and Romans)
    The ancient Etruscans, developed an 8 day market week known as the nundinal cycle around 8th or 7th century BCE. This was passed on to the Romans no later than the 6th century BCE. As Rome expanded it encountered the 7 day week and for a time attempted to include both.

    The popularity of the 7 day rhythm won and the 8 day week disappeared forever. Emperor Constantine eventually established the 7 day week in the Roman calendar and in 321 CE.

    Celts
    It is believed the Celtic people used a nine night week. The moon was used to measure one day from another so nights were more significant. The 9 nights divided nicely into a Sidereal Month of 27 nights. Each week of 9 nights had 8 days. There was also a half week of 5 nights and 4 days.

    Early Christians
    To early Christians, Sunday, as well as being the first day of the week, was also the spiritual eighth day, as it symbolised the new world created after Christ's resurrection. The concept of the eighth day was symbolic only and had no effect on the use of the seven day week for calendar purposes.

    Lithuanian
    In the 14th century the Grand Duchy of Lithuania used a solar-lunar calendar. The structure of this calendar was understood with the help of the so-called Gediminas Sceptre discovered in 1680

    Ancient Balts
    Historical records give evidence that the week of ancient Balts was nine-days long. Thus, the sidereal month must have been divided into three parts.

    Ten-day

    China
    The Chinese 10 day week went as far back as the Shang Dynasty (1200-1045 BCE). The law in the Han Dynasty (206 BCE – 220 CE) required officials of the empire to rest every 5 days, called "mu", while it was changed into 10 days in the Tang Dynasty (618 CE – 907CE), called "huan" or xún (旬). Months were almost 3 weeks long (alternating 29 and 30 days to keep in line with the lunation). The weeks were labelled shàng xún (上旬), zhōng xún (中旬), and xià xún (下旬) which mean roughly "upper", "middle" and "lower" week.

    Egypt
    Ancient Egypt had a 10 day week, 3 per month with 5 extra days at the end of the year

    France
    A 10 day week was used in France for 12 years from late 1793 to 1805. And for 18 days in 1871 in Paris.


    Thirteen-day

    Aztecs
    The Aztecs divided a ritual cycle of 260 days, known as Tonalpohualli, into 20 weeks of 13 days known as Trecena.

    Maya
    The Maya divided a 260 ritual cycle known Tzolk'in as into 20 weeks of 13 days known as Trecena.

    Aztecs
    The Aztecs divided a solar year of 365 days, Xiuhpohualli into 18 periods of 20 days and 5 nameless days known as Nemontemi. Although some call this 20 day division or grouping a month, it has no relation to a lunation and therefore the word week is more appropriate.

    Maya
    The Maya also divided a the year Haab' into 18 periods of 20 days Uinal and 5 nameless days known as Wayeb'.


    Source:[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Week"]Week - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
     
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    Kama una
    taka tafsili ya kiswahili basi lazima ukubaliane na jumamosi kuwa ni siku ya kwanza na na ijumaa ni siku ya mwisho kama zinavyojieleza haihitaji mtalaamu wa lugha kuelimisha juu tafsili hizo
     
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    Ukiangalia kiutamaduni na kilugha hasa hii yetu ya kiswahili kilichotimia na kutokana na majina ya hizo siku ulizoziainisha hapo basi utabaini siku ya kwanza katika wiki ni Jumamosi kwa maana ya moja (mosi). Na hilo ndio jibu nililokuandalia na ndivyo ilivyo sasa mkuu kama unataka kujichanganya subiri majibu kwa ukariri wa beti za vitabu vya kidini, Budha, Hindu na wengineo kila mmoja atakuambia vyake na haa ujute kuileta hii thread hapa ukumbini.
     
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    Hakuna siku ya kwanza kwa sababu dunia inazunguka. Dunia inazunguka jua katika closed loop. Na closed loop haina starting point.
     
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