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Muslim men accused of hate crime over anti-gay leaflet Five men go on trial over leaflet calling fo

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    Rutashubanyuma JF-Expert Member

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    [h=1]Muslim men accused of hate crime over anti-gay leaflet
    [/h] Five men go on trial over leaflet calling for gay people to face death penalty in first prosecution of its kind under new law






    [​IMG] Left to right, Ihjaz Ali, Mehboob Hussain, Umar Javed, Razwan Javed, and Kabir Ahmed. Photograph: Rui Vieira/PA

    Five Muslim men from Derby have gone on trial for allegedly handing out leaflets calling for gay people to be killed in the first ever prosecution under new legislation making such actions a hate crime.
    The men, Ihjaz Ali, 42, Mehboob Hussain, 45, Umar Javed, 38, Razwan Javed, 27, and Kabir Ahmed, 28, are accused of handing out to passersby and posting through letterboxes a leaflet calling for gay people to be given the death penalty, and stating that gay sex is a great sin that leads to hell.
    They are accused of stirring up hatred on the grounds of sexual orientation, the first prosecution under new legislation which came into force in March 2010. They deny the charges.
    A jury at Derby crown court heard that the five men had handed out a leaflet entitled The Death Penalty? outside and near the Jamia mosque in Rosehill Street, Derby, in July 2010, as well as putting it through nearby letterboxes. The pamphlet showed an image of a mannequin hanging from a noose.
    The leaflet was one of several that the men were distributing, but the charges relate only to one called The Death Penalty? the jury heard.
    Bobbie Cheema, opening the case for the prosecution, said: "The leaflets you will see are not educational or simply informative. They are, we suggest, threatening, offensive, frightening and nasty."
    A fourth leaflet, entitled Dead Derby, had been found but not distributed, she told the court. It described homosexuality as a "vile, ugly, cancerous disease" and stated: "Gay today, paedophile tomorrow?"
    "A word of warning," she told the jury of seven men and five women. "This case is not about, and we must not make it about, an interference with the defendants' freedom of religion or freedom to express their religious views in an attempt to educate or inform people.
    "The vast majority of Muslim, and indeed other religious people, or people with no religion but who have strong views about homosexuality, are able to express their views if they wish in a critical but lawful, moderate and self-controlled way. That's one of the rights we have."
    Ali, of Fairfax Road, Derby, faces four counts while Hussain, of Rosehill Street, Normanton, and Umar Javed, of Whittaker Street, Derby, are charged with two counts each. Razwan Javed, of Wilfred Street, Derby, and Kabir Ahmed, of Madeley Street, Derby, are charged with one count each.
    The Crown says Ali was charged with four counts because he was the person responsible for the distribution of the leaflets.
    Each of the five men admits distributing the leaflets, but Cheema said they would probably put forward various lines of defence.
    In police interviews, she told the court, Ahmed had said he did not feel that the views expressed in The Death Penalty? leaflet – which suggested three different ways to murder gay people – were wrong and simply expressed what Islam says about homosexuality, adding that it was his duty as a Muslim to condemn it.
    Razwan Javed, Cheema said, had also admitted distributing the leaflets but said it was only to raise awareness about what Islam says about homosexuality and not to frighten or threaten anyone.
    Cheema said Ali had approached police a few weeks before a planned Gay Pride parade in Derby to discuss a counter-protest by members of the Muslim community, and was advised that any placards, flyers or speeches that were made should be carefully worded to avoid committing a criminal offence.
    He had shown police an A4 page of slogans intended for use on placards with some crossed out by his solicitor and asked police to check out the remaining ones, she said.
    Cheema said they contained slogans such as: "Stay gay and you will pay," and "Adam and Eve, not Steve".
    His request for permission for a counter-protest was eventually refused because he had not applied to the council with enough time before the parade.
    "You will have to assess quite how much Mr Ali wanted to carry out a lawful and legal protest and quite how much of what he wanted was a shield he could hide behind from the consequences of what he really hoped to achieve," she said.
    The trial continues
     
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    Even the devil will transform himself into an angel of light..........................no wonder his disciples do the same.................2 Corinthians 11:12- 15
     
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    Are you gay?
     
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    wenyewe wamesha sema it is a sin and God will send them to hell. sasa wanatakia nini tena? waache Mungu mwenyewe afanye kazi yake, wenyewe wajali dhambi zao. hakuna alie kamilika, na Mungu nie wakili mkuu.
     
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    Kukemea 'uchafu' huo ni lazima. Big problem is, some Western Goverment leaders are gays. ASTAGHFURLLAH.
     
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    Nataka nitoe hoja katika sehemu tatu

    1. Ni yeye Mwenyezi Mungu ndie aliyewaaelekeza wanadamu (waja wake) kwa mujibu wa sheria yake. Mwenyezi Mungu hakutuacha hivihivi tu bila ya kutupa sheria za kuhukumiana hapa duniani. Kwa mujibu wa sheria alizotupa Mwenyezi Mungu ndani ya Qurani takatifu (ambayo hawa jamaa wanai-refer hapa) ni kwamba wanaopatikana na hatia ya "liwati" ni kifo. Hii nafikiri ni sheria vilevile katika Injili (Gospel), ijapokuwa pengine Biblia na makanisa itakuwa wanahbiri wanavyojua wenyewe. Kwanza ijue vizuri tofauti ya Injili (Gospel) na Biblia (Bible), ni vitu viwili tofauti.

    2. Watu wanaofanya huu uchafu wa liwati wapo tangu enzi na enzi na kila mahala. Kwa mujibu wa madai ya hawa jamaa ni kwasababu ya kwamba wanaifuata wenyewe hiyo adhabu ya kifo ndio maana inabidi wapatiwe hiyo hukumu ya kifo. Kwa maana kinyume chake ni kwamba ilibidi mpaka wakamatwe red-handed ndio wangepewa adhabu ya kifo, kitu ambacho katu kisingewezekana kama wasingelijulikana. Tatizo lao ni kwamba uchafu wao unaongezeka na kustahili hii adhabu pale wanapojitangazia wao wenyewe na kujifaharisha na kujigamba katika kufanya haya machafu. Sio hivyo tu, bali wanahatarisha nafasi ya yaliyo mema katika ulimwengu ambao Mwenyezi Mungu ametujaalia ili kukidhi our sexual satisfaction, yaani akatukataza na kutuonya ili tujiepushe mbali na uchafu wa zinaa na akatuhalalishia taasisi adhimu ya "ndoa" baina ya mwanamme na mwanamke. Hawa walawiti wamefikia sasa hata wana-attack sacredness ya hii taasisi adhimu ya "ndoa" kwa kudai na kulazimisha kwamba uchafu wao wa haramu (liwati) uwe na nafasi ya utambuliko na heshima ulio sawa na usafi (wema) na uhalali wa ndoa za halali za mke na mume.

    3. Katika wakati huu wa utandawazi na political correctness, kwanini na iweje kwamba ni "wanapigia debe machafu na kukataza yaliyo mema na kueneza ufisadi katika ardhi" tu ndio wawe na nafasi ya kusema na kulazimisha yao wakati "wanaowavutia watu katika mema na kuyakataza machafu" wasiwe na nafasi ya kufanya yao?????????? Hii sio haki hata kidogo. Naamini hawa jamaa ni Waingereza kama Waingereza wengine wowote ijapokuwa wana subcontinent encestory na wanayataka haya kwa uchungu wa nchi yao pamoja na ulimwengu mzima. Kama wanayo support ya kutosha katika nchi yao na hao wachafu (walawiti) wana vile vile support ya kutosha, basi kuna uhalali wa nchi kuigawa kwa misingi hiyo na kila upande utumie sheria yake, kinyume na hivyo basi ni lazima kila upande ustahamilie upande mwengine wakati wa kutoa maoni yao kwa mujibu wa ufahamu wao na imani yao.

    Kwa kifupi tu "liwati" ni haramu na iansababisha matatizo makubwa na katika kila idara ya maisha ya mwanadamu, kijamii, kimaadili, kiakili, kiuchumi, n.k, n.k na adhabu yake kwa mujibu wa sheria ya kiislamu ni kifo sawa na kosa la uchafu huo. Ama wasagaji (lesbians) basi kuwekwa ndani na ushauri-nasaha na mawaidha (confinement, counseling and rehabilitation) mpaka atokee mtu wa kumuoa na ambapo atastarehe kwa sex katika ukawaida na kutuletea matunda katika jamii.

    Kama wanaounga mkono haramu na machafu ya "liwati baina ya wanaume" na "usagaji baina ya wanawake" na ku-degrade taasisi halali ya "ndoa ya mke na mume" wana haki ya kusema wanalolitaka bila ya kujasi normal sensitivity ya walio wema katika jamii, basi vile vile wanaounga mkono mema, halali na masafi ya "jimai ya mke na mume waliooana " na kuipa uhai taasisi adhimu ya "ndoa na baraka za kuiendeleza jamii na uchumi kwa njia ya kizazi" nao wana haki ya kusema wanalolitaka bila ya kujali abnormal sensitivity za hawa wachafu. Which one is right ????
     
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