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Muslim anger over US military ‘Jesus’ scopes

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    AlFahIm JF-Expert Member

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    Muslim anger over US military ‘Jesus’ scopes

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    Muslim groups reacted angrily to news that the US military were using rifle sights inscribed with Biblical references


    WASHINGTON (AFP)
    Muslim groups reacted angrily late on Wednesday after it emerged that the U.S. military in Iraq and Afghanistan were using rifle sights inscribed with coded Biblical references.

    The company producing the sights, which are also used to train Afghan and Iraqi soldiers under contracts with the U.S. Army and the Marine Corps, said it has inscribed references to the New Testament on the metal casings for over two decades.


    The British Ministry of Defense meanwhile announced it had placed an order for 400 of the gunsights with Trijicon but added it had not been aware of the significance of the inscriptions, in a decision criticized by the opposition Liberal Democrat party.

    The Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) called on U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates to immediately withdraw from combat use equipment found to have inscriptions of Biblical references after it emerged that Trijicon has contracts to supply over 800,000 of the sights to the U.S. military.
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    The Pentagon sought to defuse the brewing controversy, saying it was "disturbed" by the reports.

    "If determined to be true, this is clearly inappropriate and we are looking into possible remedies," Commander Darryn James, a Pentagon spokesman, told AFP.

    The codes were used as "part of our faith and our belief in service to our country," Trijicon said.

    "As long as we have men and women in danger, we will continue to do everything we can to provide them with both state-of-the-art technology and the never-ending support and prayers of a grateful nation," a company spokesman said on condition of anonymity.

    The move appeared to be a direct violation of a U.S. Central Command general order issued after the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq that strictly prohibits "proselytizing of any religion, faith or practice."


    A whistleblower group that first alerted ABC News to the issue this week warned the practice was putting troops in harm's way by raising fears of Christian proselytizing in Muslim-majority nations home to militants resentful of U.S. military presence.

    "This is the worst type of emboldenment of the enemy that you can imagine," Military Religious Freedom Foundation founder and president Michael "Mikey" Weinstein said in an interview.

    Weinstein, a former White House legal counsel in Ronald Reagan's administration, said his group would submit a filing in U.S. federal court in Kansas City, Missouri by Feb. 4 in a related case.

    "Having Biblical references on military equipment violates the basic ideals and values our country was founded upon," MPAC Washington director Haris Tarin said in a statement.

    "Worse still, it provides propaganda ammo to extremists who claim there is a 'Crusader war against Islam' by the United States," he added.

    The shocking revelation raises fresh fears of Christian fundamentalism seeping through the U.S. military's ranks.

    "It's got to stop. It's wrong on a million levels," said Weinstein. "This is massively endangering the lives and well-being of our members of the military."

    His foundation, he added, represents nearly 16,000 troops, the bulk of them Christians.

    A Muslim-American soldier, who declined to be named due to fears of persecution, said he was "ashamed" and "horrified" by the writings on the gunsights of weapons he used during deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    "There are many other soldiers who feel as I do. Many are Protestant and Catholic and they fear reprisal just as much as I do for trying to stand up to the Christian bullies in uniform who outrank us," he said in a letter dated Jan. 14 and addressed to Weinstein and his foundation.

    According to photographs seen by AFP, the coded inscriptions include JN8:12, an apparent reference to John 8:12: "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."

    Trijicon, a defense contractor founded by devout Christian Glyn Bindon, vows on its website to follow "biblical standards" it says make America great.
     
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    libaba PM Senior Member

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    Waislamu wanadeka sana, maswala ya nini jeshi la America wanaita vikosi ama dhana zao za kivita yana wahusu nini, wanapenda chokochoko sana na vurugu, kule sijui Asia wamelipua kanisa kisa Kumuita Mungu Allah, ni kama watoto, dawa yao ni moja tu kama Nigeria, wakilipuka nawe unalipuka.
     
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    america is a christian country i think that should not be a subject of discussion! after all the writing are on the auxilliary device whose founder is a jesus follower!
     
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    Nyie waislamu acheni ujinga wa kimawazo huo jaribuni kuwa wastaarabu kwa kila kitu kutokana na mawazo yenu kuwa finyu kiasi cha kushindwa hata na mbuzi, si kila jambo mnalofanyiwa na mwanadamu mnaunganisha na Yesu huo ni ushenzi na ufirauni wa babu yenu Farao, jaribuni kuwa watu mnaofanana na makusudio ya alitewaumba, udhaifu wenu wa kufikiri ndiyo ulioichafua hii dunia hata imekuwa si mahali salama kwa mwanadamu kuweza kuishi, mnadhani mtamlazimisha nani kwa upuuzi wenu aweze kuabudu watu waliokufa na mizimu na kuiombea?
     
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    Shetani mwingine!! karibu JF, tumia lugha ya kistaarabu tuliyowafundisha, ukisoma ripoti vizuri ndo utajua makosa yako wapi! soma vizuri ndo utajielewa wewe nimjinga kiasi gani!!! MALABUK
     
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    Geza Ulole JF-Expert Member

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    hivi visa babu yake naona wenzetu extrimists wanatafuta pa kutokea! washaanza kuchoma makanisa sijui kitakachofuata
     
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    Nani mwenyeshida ya kuwachomea club zenu za mashoga?? Waislam wako busy wanapambana na mabwana zenu, hawana shida na nyie wachovu
     
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    They can go to hell. Kwani Muham-mad alishindwa kutengeneza bunduki?
     
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    RayB JF-Expert Member

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    Why so much hate in every muslim. Look at the words!? Hivi Tanga na Zanzibar na pwani si ndo sehemu zenye Uislamu mwingi mbona ushoga uko huko sana? Na kama hujafika uarabuni basi nenda kaone ni vitu vipo saaaaaaaana
     
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    Ujengelele JF-Expert Member

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    Hii inaonyesha jinsi chuki za kidini miongoni mqwa Watanzania zinavyozidi kushamiri kwa nguvu ya ajabu kubwa. Wamarekani wenyewe kupitia Waziri wao wa Ulinzi wanasema kilichofanyika ni makosa, lakini Watanzania ambao si Waislamu hawaoni tatizo lolote!!! Huko tuendako kunatisha sana kama hali ndiyo hii. Yaani malalamiko ya Waislamu yanaweza kuungwa mkono na hata Wamarekani lakini siyo Mtanzania ambaye si Muislamu!!! Nchi imefikia mahali pabaya sana.
     
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    Ungekuwa una akili ungemwita shetani kwanza aliyekufanya kuwa muislam mimi sijakosea kuwaita waislamu waache upungufu wa kimawazo hayo umedhihirisha kwa majibu yako, tmbua kuwa unajibizani mtu wa namna gani mimi siyo MAAMUMA kama wewe ulivyo, ukitaka kujua uwezo wa gesi ya koka kola tingisha kabla ya fungua, na hata nilitaka kufahamu uwezo wa mtu wa kiislamu kufikiri kama umeongezeka japo 3/4 lakini umenithibitishia kuwa bado
     
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    unaonesha una tabia ya kutojisimamia mwenyewe mi nilidhani hata Mingu anaweza kuwaunga mkono kwani wakiungwa mkono na Marekani tatizo lako nini? Acha udhaifu huo, si rahisi mtu asiye mwislamu akaanza kuwajali waislamu na kelele zao ni upuuzi mtupu kufikia hatua kama hiyo kwa mtu anayejitegemea kimawazo na kiakili
     
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    huna lolote wewe hakuna muislamu mwenye akili duniani labda awe ni mwislamu wa kijiita na kuhudhulia swala tu
     
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    Kuweka religious reference katika vifaa vya jeshi la nchi inayojidai kuwa secular ni tafrani.

    Lakini tafrani kubwa zaidi ni huu ujinga wa America kujifanya secular wakati dollar imeandikwa "In God We Trust" halafu pledge of allegiance inaishia kwa kusema "under one god"

    Sasa Hindu- Americans wanaoamini miungu wengi wanaweza kusema hii pledge of allegiance? Atheist wasioamini mungu wanaionaje ile dollar?

    This myth that America is a secular state needs to be properly addressed.
     
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    acha uvivu wa kujisimamia kiakili wewe so what unataka tuwapigie mgoti hawa islamist? au, Wamarekani kitu gani hapa duniani mi nilidhani unasema, atawaunga mkono Bwana Yesu, we vp udhaiofu wako peleka msikitini manyema kulee, haiwezekani wakikosea wasiambiwe wao nani, hilo halina ubishi wao ndiyo waliochafua dunia kwa kuwa na uwezo mdogo wa kutafakari wao kila kitu jazba tu kulalama tuuu namna gani wataambiwa tu hata kwa kulazimisha tu
     
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    Piga mswaki kabla ya kuja kuongea na watu wenye akili ...zezeta kasome kwanza ndio uje hapa...upupu mtupu
     
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    Ni dini gani ambayo inahusika na ushoga moja kwa moja, ni ukiristo hata mmewatawaza maaskofu wenu kuwa mashoga pia mnawakataza mapadre kuoa wakati ni wazima, matokeo yake kila kanisa au institution zenu zina vituo vya mayatima ambao ni watoto wa mapadre na masista. Hii ni ajabu sana na mtu anasimama kutetea aibu hii...
     
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    TUMAIN:- Inasikitisha kuona hata humu kuna wapumbavu kama wewe,go and read again the article kisha uje utoe mchango wako tuusikie.
    otherwise,sidhani kama una akili za kuwashinda maseneta wa marekani ambao wameona kuwa hilo lililofanyika ni kosa.
    go and do reseach on the constitution and foundation pillers of USA.
     
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    Mr Chin JF-Expert Member

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    Ni kweli Mkuu
     
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    who is that founder?
     
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