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Mugabe hawamwezi. Sasa aalikwa na Pope!

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    Askari Kanzu JF-Expert Member

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    Wanampiga madongo saana lakini Mugabe bado yupo yupo!

    Robert Mugabe invited to beatification ceremony for Pope John Paul II


    By Nick Pisa
    Last updated at 1:51 AM on 29th April 2011


    Rome Tyrant Robert Mugabe is among VIPs who will attend the beatification ceremony of Pope John Paul II this weekend, it emerged today. The Zimbabwean dictator has been slammed by the international community for driving his country to poverty and is one of Libyan leader Colonel Gaddafi's only allies.

    His surprise inclusion on the list has raised eyebrows but it is not the first time that Catholic Mugabe's presence at Vatican ceremony has provoked controversy.


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    Sinner and saint: Zimbabwean dictator Robert Mugabe is due to be at the beatification of Pope John Paul II

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    Prince Charles was caught out at Pope John Paul II's funeral when he shook hands with Mugabe. The prince later said he had been caught by surprise


    In 2005 during the funeral mass for the late Pope John Paul II, Mugabe sat next to Prince Charles, who was left flustered as Mugabe turned to him and shook hands with him - leaving him to say: 'He caught me by surprise.'

    Mugabe is actually the subject of a travel ban but is able to visit Rome as the event on Sunday is being held at the Vatican and he is an invited head of state. The invitation is in contrast to that of the Royal Wedding between Prince William and Kate Middleton but Zimbabwe's ambassador in London has been invited to that.

    Security will be particularly tight in Rome when Mugabe, 87, arrives on an official flight at Rome's Fiumicino airport on Saturday and a no fly zone has been imposed over St Peter's for the ceremony.

    Other VIPs include the president of Pope John Paul's native Poland, Bronislaw Komrowski, who will be accompanied by Senate Speaker, Grzegorz Schetyna, and House Speaker, Bogdan Borusewicz.

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    Vatican City: Despite a travel ban Mugabe is allowed to visit Rome as it is being held at the Vatican - a separate state - and he is invited as a head of state


     
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    tzjamani JF-Expert Member

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    Love your enemy.
     
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    ELLET Senior Member

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    Is beatification a Biblical teaching or a Roman Catholic tradition? Otherwise, if it's a tradition, then am 'wasting' my time believing in Jesus Christ. I can't imagine in such a generation where knowledge in every aspect is diverse people are still fooled. eti mtu kaafa, watu fulani wanaka, na kuchunguza maisha yake alafu, wanasema ni 'mtakatifu', sasa Mungu kazi yake ni nini?. Ok that's fine. Kwanini wakati wa uhai wake, tulikua tunamuita ‘baba mtakatifu'
     
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    Mugabe atinga mjengoni!
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    Bishop James Harvey welcomes Robert Mugabe before the funeral of Pope John Paul II on April 8, 2005

    The Associated Press

    Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe has arrived in Rome, sidestepping a European Union travel ban because he is headed for Pope John Paul II's beatification, being held Sunday in Vatican City.


    Mugabe's government is accused of rights violations. In 2005, he was heavily criticized for attending the pope's funeral in St. Peter's Square. The EU ban doesn't apply to the Vatican.

    On that occasion, Britain's Prince Charles shook Mugabe's hand, but later said he was caught by surprise when the African leader leaned over to offer his hand.

    Mugabe's flight arrived Saturday at Leonardo da Vinci airport, where he then passed through the VIP lounge. Since the funeral, he has been in Rome in 2008 and 2009 for U.N. food summits
     
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    Askari Kanzu JF-Expert Member

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    Mugabe yupo kwenye mahafali!
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    Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe (C) walks with his entourage at St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican on May 1, 2011 following the beatification of Pope John Paul II. Pope Benedict XVI led a procession past John Paul II's coffin in Saint Peter's Basilica, shortly after putting him a step closer to sainthood by declaring him 'blessed'.

    Mugabe, 87, who obtained a special exemption from a European Union travel ban to make the journey, arrived in Rome's main airport on a special Air Zimbabwe flight with his wife Grace and a large delegation, the report said.

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    Love thyself....love thy enemies! and lead by examples na sio stories tu
     
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    Masanja JF-Expert Member

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    Safi sana vatican. You should preach love not hate! Vatican is not a political department of European Union.
     
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    Mugabe afunga magoli Vatican!
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    Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe receives Holy Communion during the beatification ceremony of late Pope John Paul II in St. Peter's Square at the Vatican, Sunday, May 1, 2011.
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    Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe (R) and his wife Grace take place
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    Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe (C) and his wife Grace are greeted by officials as they arrive for the beatification ceremony of late pope John Paul II
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    Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe (R) and his wife Grace (C) leave after paying respect to the coffin of late Pope John Paul II inside St. Peter's Basilica at the Vatican May 1, 2011

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    Ignorance is really our greatest enemy. Do you know what 'sainthood' means? Hata kwenye mataifa yetu kuna watu tunaowakumbuka kwa yale waliyoyafanya kwa ajili yetu na tuvirithishe vizazi vy sasa na vijavyo matendo yao ya fadhila ili uwe mfano kwa wengine. Sasa Kanisa katoliki nalo lina utaratibu wa kuwakumbuka waliojitahidi kuishi maisha yao ya imani vizuri ili wawe mfano wa kuigwa kiimani tangu lilipoanza. Kama utaacha kuamini katika Yesu shauri yako lakini utamaduni wa kuwakumbuka watu kwa matendo yao mema ni utamaduni mtakatifu - unatoka kwa Mungu.
     
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    ELLET Senior Member

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    You dont know what you are talking about! tafadhali chugunza what it means by beatification and then sainthood according to the Roman Catholic theology, From today John Paul 2 kwamjibu wa Kanisa Katolic wanesa ni 'Blessed', yaani na yeye ni kama Mama Maria. Which means baada ya kupitisha maombi kwa Yesu, unaweza kupitisha kwake kama ilivyo kwa Mariamu. And according catholic theology, he is now in 'Heaven' like Jesus. Ask an church priest, he will tell you this, or follow up what happened today in Vatican. Is this a biblical doctrine? If u tell me that u follow tradition, thats fine. But if u follow the Bible, its a big lie. Tafadhali soma Biblia, achana na utamaduni wa wazungu. Otherwise use the Bible to Prove your facts!
     
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    Mlitaka asiitwe, kwa Mungu hao ndio wanaotafutwa, refer Kardinali Pengo majuzi aliposema mafisadi wanakaribishwa kanisani kutubu...Biblia inasema (sikumbuki kifungulakini) Yesu amekuja kwa ajili ya watu wa aina hiyo walioelemawa na dhambi - mafisadi, wezi, madikteta, makatili, wanyang'anyi nk..
     
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    si uongee unayoyajua mkuu? Hapa sijui unaongelea imani ya dunia ipi. Hamna kitu kama icho ktk ukatoliki.
     
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    Ahsante sana mheshimiwa magobe kwa majibu yako mazuri kwa mheshimiwa ELLe, huo ndio ukweli halisi uliomuelekeza. Lakini nina swali la nyongeza, hivi lini nasisi tutam - beatificate Mwadhama hayati Cardnal Rugambwa? hivi huyu ni kweli hakuishi maisha ya kitakatifu hapa duniani?, je si mfano wa kuigwa?. Nilisikia kwa mbali mchakato wa kumtangaza mwanasiasa mstaafu hayati mwalimu nyerere! je huyu kiongozi wa dini?!
     
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    wamemuita ili waweze kumtrack halafu wampore nchi
     
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    sasa hapa ndugu ellet ndio umelikoroga kabisaaaa! Kuwa mwenye heri na kuwa mbalikiwa ni vitu viwili tofauti, pia wakatoliki wanamuita maria muombezi na si mpishiwa maombi na yesu ndio mwanzo na mwisho alfa na omega hivyo hawapitishi maombi balli yeye ni njia na uzima mtu haendi kwa baba ila kwa njia yake yeye.

    Unaswali au unasali wapi ndugu ellet?
     
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    Mulama JF-Expert Member

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    Mugabe is a dictator to the europeans and us not to everybody, he deserve to be invited to the beatification ceremony
     
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    ELLET Senior Member

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    Kama ndo Hivyo, lets not call this christianity, its tradition (Roman Peganism). Do dead pray for people? Wafu hawajui lolote. Mie nataka Biblical evidence. Kama ni church tradition , i have no problem with that. But should christians follow tradition or the Bible? Katika Ibada ya jana vatican, wametumia fungu lipi la Biblia?
     
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    Kana Amuchi Member

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    You guys are wasting your time. hizi dini ni za nani? siyo haohao wazungu? nani alileta ukristu na huku afrika ? siyo wazungu? nyie mnajua zaidi ya hao waliokuleteeni huo ukristu? Uislamu uliletwa na nani? siyo waarabu? nnyie mnajua uislamu kuliko waarabu?
    Kanisa la kwanza kabisa (kama taasisi) lilikuwa lipi? siyo hilohilo la kikatoliki? IMANI ni kitu kigumu sana. "Maandiko matakatifu" watu mmeyachakachua sana. kila mtu anatafsiri anavyojua yeye. kuna makanisa mbona yahaubiri kuwa watu wameshakuwa watakatifu hata kabla hawajafa na kwamba wao wakifa ni straight mbinguni? si afadhali wakatoliki wanaomchunguza mtu akiwa kesha kufa na kujiridhisha kuwa aliishi vema na anastahili kuitwa mwenye heri?
     
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    Wenye afya hawahitaji daktari....
     
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    Kazi ipo ni lini watu wamagharibi watatuchagulia ni yupi rafiki na yupi adui!leo mugabe wanamwita "Sinner" kwa kuwa alikataa kuwa kibaraka kwao!
     
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