Mombasa Republican Council wanataka nchi yao...

[Masikini_Jeuri]

hata Dar es salaam ni eneo la zanzibar

Soma historia vizuri................Dar es Salaam haikuchukuliwa kwa mkataba kama Mombasa.......!

 

[Mphamvu]

Mwanzo ngoma ni lele!

what d'ya mean MJ?
Kwamba the party has just begun?

 

[simplemind]

Soma historia vizuri................Dar es Salaam haikuchukuliwa kwa mkataba kama Mombasa.......!

ilichukuliwa kimabavu au?

 

[Hute]

hili litakuwa pigo zuri kwa kenya....itabidi waanze kutumia bandari ya Tanga na dsm....poor kenya..

 

[livefire]

.....yew guys are damn full of petty malice, inuendo and alot of idle talk i.e. anyone who is for secession. Kenya has its Mbsa port, no need to use the dar or tanga facility, and infact Lamu port is taking shape already. If mrc was a threat non of the above devts would be a priority. Does anyone in here understand the ramifications involved in secession anyway. Be prudent enough to analyse the Kenyan government actions as partains to this.

 

[Kabaridi]

Wakati Zanzibar ilitengana na Tanzania from the greater Tanganyika, at least walikuwa na sababu zinazoeleweka, kuwa volatile political conflicts and discords katika vyeo vya serikali was the reason wasomi wao waliitaja kama sababu mojawapo za kutengena. Lakini Mombasa, aka MRC wako na sababu gani halali ya kuwafanya kutaka watengane na Kenya na kuanza nchi yao?/

kwanza, wameshindwa kusafisha mji wao kitabia, their morals are highly dispeakable, ushoga ndio huo umeenea kutoka mji-wa-kale mpaka Ukunda. Pili, ma drug barons wamejaa humo na wamewaribu vijana kwa madawa ya kulevya, mpaka vijana hawawezi kutafuta ajira. Tatu, ukarimu wao unalenga watu wa asili moja. Hautapata mtu wa pwani akimkarabisha mtu wa bara kama wangetaka watu waelewe. Nne, it takes more than emotions kujaribu kujitia pambani na kutaka nchi yao wenyewe.

Ni lazima wawe na shukrani jinsi ambavyo wameweza kukaa kwa amani na kuendesha shughuli zao nchini kenya. Ndio maana mzungu husema "charity begins at home". Je! viongozi wao wamewafanyia walivyotaka wakiingia uongozini?

Hata kama kuna sababu, kuna njia mwafaka za kutafuta suluhu na serikali. Lakini kwa sasa, nitaamini kwamba this push for secession is purely motivated by greed. And BTW, Mombasa is just a small Island the rest of pwani the Mijikendas, have they been consulted?

 

[Mphamvu]

.....yew guys are damn full of petty malice, inuendo and alot of idle talk i.e. anyone who is for secession. Kenya has its Mbsa port, no need to use the dar or tanga facility, and infact Lamu port is taking shape already. If mrc was a threat non of the above devts would be a priority. Does anyone in here understand the ramifications involved in secession anyway. Be prudent enough to analyse the Kenyan government actions as partains to this.

husomeki Mkeii?
Hapa sio Muthurwa, ni JF.

 

[Mphamvu]

Wakati Zanzibar ilitengana na Tanzania from the greater Tanganyika, at least walikuwa na sababu zinazoeleweka, kuwa volatile political conflicts and discords katika vyeo vya serikali was the reason wasomi wao waliitaja kama sababu mojawapo za kutengena. Lakini Mombasa, aka MRC wako na sababu gani halali ya kuwafanya kutaka watengane na Kenya na kuanza nchi yao?/

kwanza, wameshindwa kusafisha mji wao kitabia, their morals are highly dispeakable, ushoga ndio huo umeenea kutoka mji-wa-kale mpaka Ukunda. Pili, ma drug barons wamejaa humo na wamewaribu vijana kwa madawa ya kulevya, mpaka vijana hawawezi kutafuta ajira. Tatu, ukarimu wao unalenga watu wa asili moja. Hautapata mtu wa pwani akimkarabisha mtu wa bara kama wangetaka watu waelewe. Nne, it takes more than emotions kujaribu kujitia pambani na kutaka nchi yao wenyewe.

Ni lazima wawe na shukrani jinsi ambavyo wameweza kukaa kwa amani na kuendesha shughuli zao nchini kenya. Ndio maana mzungu husema "charity begins at home". Je! viongozi wao wamewafanyia walivyotaka wakiingia uongozini?

Hata kama kuna sababu, kuna njia mwafaka za kutafuta suluhu na serikali. Lakini kwa sasa, nitaamini kwamba this push for secession is purely motivated by greed. And BTW, Mombasa is just a small Island the rest of pwani the Mijikendas, have they been consulted?

kumbe?
Kwa hiyo kama Mombasa kuna maovu basi hawaruhusiwi kudai inji yao?

 

[Hute]

mfa maji hakosi kutapatapa....pole kenya....the people you are in love with do not show any sign to love you back....bye.

 

[Kinyungu]

ilichukuliwa kimabavu au?

Mkuu ule ukanda wa ten miles along the coast Mjerumani aliulipia pesa kwa Sultan kuupata alilipa UK Pound 200,000/-. Fuata link hapo chini utaona hiyo kitu.

October 28

The sultan of Zanzibar cedes all sovereignty over the mainland territories leased to the Deutsch- Ostafrikanische Gesellschaft to the German Empire in return for a compensatory payment of 4 million marks (£200,000). The World at War - GERMAN EAST AFRICA 1884 - 1922 Zanzibar - Chronology

 

[MAMMAMIA]

Mimi hua najiuliza swali moja. kwanini MRC watake kujivuta kando na kutaka nchi yao? Na nikiangalia kwa undani, sipati jibu kamili. maana kama ni kutaka kujikimu kimaendeleo, sioni wakitoboa. Ombi hilo la kutaka kujivuta msingi wake ni wa kidini na sio ya kujali maslahi ya wadigo au wagiriama ambao shida zao za kawa sote tunazielewa. Hivi miaka tatu iliyopita 2008, rais wa Iran amedinajad alizuru mombasa, huenda ikawa mvuto ambao kundi haramu la MRC unao inachochewa na ziara hiyo.

Mkuu, hapa nitatafautiana nawe kidogo!
Hii ya kudai "uhuru na kujitenga" imekuwa mbinu ambayo inatumika kwa wale wote walio katika maeneo yenye rasilimali nyingi, lakini zinatumika kuimarisha miji mikubwa na kuwaacha wao masikini wa kutupwa. Angalia mfano TZ, maeneo yenye utajiri wa madini na aridhi nzuri ya kilimo ndiyo yaliyo masikini kabisa. Vile vile Wapemba wamekuwa na madai kama hayo, sio kwa masuala ya kidini bali kuona wanapuuzwa kimaendeleo wakati sehemu ya kubwa ya pata la taifa linatoka kwao. Na hili limekuwa likionekana sehemu nyingi Afrika na duniani kote.

Kwa hivyo kuunganisha kudai "uhuru au kujitenga" na sula la kidini ni kutaka kuupotosha umma.

 

[Revolutionist]

kama mombasa ni zenji, basi mombasa ni tanzania, naunga mkono hoja!lol

hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[Ngongo]

Duh hii ni mbaya sana kwahiyo Kenya wajiandae kupitishia mizigo yao Dar & Tanga ha ha ha ha.

 

[Junius]

hawana tofauti na wazenji hawa.

Hujitambuwi....wala hujuwi ulisemalo...ni kweli, Mombasa na Zanzibar ni kitu kimoja... hadi mwaka 1963 baada ya tume ya Robertson kuja na majibu ya kikoloni kuitenga Mombasa na Zanzibar...wadandia mambo kama wewe hawafahamu kuwa Zanzibar ni nchi kabla ya Tanganyika iliyokuwa pori kuvumbuliwa na akina Livingstone, speke na wamishionari wenzao...kuwa umezaliwa umekuta muungano mbovu mbovu kama huu haimaanishi kuwa haki na madai ya Zanzibar zidi ya muungano wa kifisadi kama huu ni sawa na hiyo tofauti usiyoiyona wewe kati ya Zanzibar na Mombasa.

Kwa taarifa yako tu, madai ya watu wa Mombasa ni ya namna mbili, kwanza, Mombasa iwe Jamhuri kama ilivyokusudiwa kuwa baada ya mkataba wa Uingereza kumalizika, au...pili, Mombasa irudi kuwa sehemu ya Zanzibar kama ilivyokuwa kabla ya makataba na Muingereza! Upo!!!

 

[simplemind]

Mkuu ule ukanda wa ten miles along the coast Mjerumani aliulipia pesa kwa Sultan kuupata alilipa UK Pound 200,000/-. Fuata link hapo chini utaona hiyo kitu.

October 28

The sultan of Zanzibar cedes all sovereignty over the mainland territories leased to the Deutsch- Ostafrikanische Gesellschaft to the German Empire in return for a compensatory payment of 4 million marks (£200,000). The World at War - GERMAN EAST AFRICA 1884 - 1922 Zanzibar - Chronology

Zingatia neno LEASED. Legally a lease is a contractual agreement by which one party conveys an Estate to another party for a limited period subject to various condition in exchange for something valuable ,but still retains ownership. Swali what happened after lease expired. May be waatalaam wa sheria watujuze.

 

[mageuzi1992]

afu eti watu wanajifanya wanaenda UN kuomba waongezewe mipaka baharini!!!! huu ni mkono wa mtu kwa manufaa ya wachache ZANZIBAR MSIKUBALI mtamezwa na TANGANYIKA!

 

[Kabaridi]

Hujitambuwi....wala hujuwi ulisemalo...ni kweli, Mombasa na Zanzibar ni kitu kimoja... hadi mwaka 1963 baada ya tume ya Robertson kuja na majibu ya kikoloni kuitenga Mombasa na Zanzibar...wadandia mambo kama wewe hawafahamu kuwa Zanzibar ni nchi kabla ya Tanganyika iliyokuwa pori kuvumbuliwa na akina Livingstone, speke na wamishionari wenzao...kuwa umezaliwa umekuta muungano mbovu mbovu kama huu haimaanishi kuwa haki na madai ya Zanzibar zidi ya muungano wa kifisadi kama huu ni sawa na hiyo tofauti usiyoiyona wewe kati ya Zanzibar na Mombasa.

Kwa taarifa yako tu, madai ya watu wa Mombasa ni ya namna mbili, kwanza, Mombasa iwe Jamhuri kama ilivyokusudiwa kuwa baada ya mkataba wa Uingereza kumalizika, au...pili, Mombasa irudi kuwa sehemu ya Zanzibar kama ilivyokuwa kabla ya makataba na Muingereza! Upo!!!

Unaposema Mombasa na zanzibar ni kitu moja, je?! unaelewa zile mijadala tunaeza funua, kama tungekuwa na muda. Tusianze kuleta vita vya oman au kujaribu Kurejelea historia ya uarabuni. Pili, unaposema Mombasa irudi kwa Zanzibar kama waoman walivyowapa waingereza, je! wataka kufufua Oman Arabs au Sultanate? nawao pia wafufue akina mvita shehe wawarudishia ufalme wao.

Mkuu, nitakuwekea nuku ili uelewe historia ya mombasa vema, na utakaposoma hii nuku hautaona uhusiano na Zanzibar, ila Sultanate alijaribu kuiweka chini ya Zanzibar lakini Mreno alikata. Zilikuwa nchi mbili tofauti mpaka ambapo Waingereza 1826 waliwarejeshea Oman uongozi na kuichukua tena. swali ni je ni njia gani muoman alipata island hii. Mombasa was an "island of war", that experienced great oscillation from different kingdoms. and colonial rule.

"Vasco da Gama was the first known European to visit Mombasa, receiving a chilly reception in 1498. Two years later, the town was sacked by the Portuguese. in 1502, the sultanate became independent from Kilwa Kisiwani and was renamed as Mvita (in Swahili) or Manbasa (Arabic).
In 1698, the town came under suzerainty of the Sultanate of Oman, but it became subordinate to Zanzibar, prompting regular local rebellions. Oman appointed three consecutive Governors (Wali in Arabic, Liwali in Swahili):

• 12 December 1698–December 1698: Imam Sa'if ibn Sultan
• December 1698–1728: Nasr ibn Abdallah al-Mazru'i
• 1728–12 March 1728: Shaykh Rumba

Next, Mombasa returned to Portuguese rule by captain-major Álvaro Caetano de Melo Castro (12 March 1728–21 September 1729), then four new Omani Liwali until 1746, when the last of them made it independent again (disputed by Oman), as the first of its recorded Sultans"

Source:Mombasa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Over time powerful dynasties evolved and became established along the coast from Lamu Island to Zanzibar. kwa hivyo it means kwamba Zanzibar Na Lamu na Mombasa ni kitu moja. Lakini mkuu kwanini hutaji Malindi. kwanini hatuoni Malindi republican council? au Lamu republican Council?

source:http://www.kenya-beachrentals.com/KENYA-COAST-BEACHES

 

[Kabaridi]

Mkuu, hapa nitatafautiana nawe kidogo!
Hii ya kudai "uhuru na kujitenga" imekuwa mbinu ambayo inatumika kwa wale wote walio katika maeneo yenye rasilimali nyingi, lakini zinatumika kuimarisha miji mikubwa na kuwaacha wao masikini wa kutupwa. Angalia mfano TZ, maeneo yenye utajiri wa madini na aridhi nzuri ya kilimo ndiyo yaliyo masikini kabisa. Vile vile Wapemba wamekuwa na madai kama hayo, sio kwa masuala ya kidini bali kuona wanapuuzwa kimaendeleo wakati sehemu ya kubwa ya pata la taifa linatoka kwao. Na hili limekuwa likionekana sehemu nyingi Afrika na duniani kote.

Kwa hivyo kuunganisha kudai "uhuru au kujitenga" na sula la kidini ni kutaka kuupotosha umma.

[h=2]Mombasa Republican Council MRC Sinister Aspects, A Panacea for Terror[/h]February 6 | Posted by David Goldman | Geopolitics, Intelligence News

To create an autonomous state in Kenya is Greek mythology, asserts Intelligence analyst David James of Strategic Intelligence. ‘The current push by the secessionist Mombasa Republican Council is political. According to James of SIN, Mombasa will be the next theater of ethno-political violence if we do not act. Mombasa Republican Council drew great media interest though the analysis by the fourth estate hardly sufficed to tell away the dynamics surrounding its resurgence.
Africa Intelligence in 2011 reported that the Mombasa Republican Council had links to certain port trade unionists. The provincial administration reported Al-Shabaab-like activities conducted by MRC besides warning Sheihks and pastors offering MRC youths podiums to meet and further their cause. In August 2011, former Malindi mayor Mr. Fredrick Kazungu Diwani and former Malindi council Chairlady Mrs. Elena Mbaru were taken in policy custody and grilled by CID officers. They have links with MRC.
MRC wants the Coast to be an autonomous state. This means Kenya will be landlocked and will solely depend on the Coast to import and export. The tourism sector that generates billions in revenue for the GOK will be lost to the Coast. Any secessionist movement cannot compromise the Lamu port, the tourism sector of Kenyan economy, besides other critical facilities including the San Marco space station, Kenya defense forces barracks, Mombasa airport, State House Mombasa, and massive investments by the political and business elite of Kenya. As such, it is foolhardy to even think MRC can succeed.
However, MRC may be emboldened by force used by the government of Kenya to stymie their aggressive ethno-political objectives. There are worrying aspects of MRC though; their constitution, military wing, and funding by top businessmen and politicians in Mombasa. This intelligence is based on their response about their identity and support; the same is available on their social media pages.
More worrying is the Digo supremacy and influence in MRC operations and leadership. Paul Goldsmith points out that the Digo wing of MRC is a very volatile element of its membership. Goldsmith adds weight to David James view that the Coast will be the next theater of ethno-political violence by pointing out Sentinel Project for Preventing Genocide that concluded that the potential for violence in Kenya in 2012 is very high. Sentinel Project reports that ‘objective conditions on the ground indicate there is significant potential for violence on the coast independent of the MRC or other factors.'
A close analysis on the Digo sheds some disturbing religious-political nexus. The Digo occupies the southern coastal strip of Kenya between Mombasa and the border of Tanzania with most of the community members Muslim. Their religious practices are deeply rooted in spiritism and folk Islam unlike the Somali and Swahili of the Coast. The Digo adopted Islam recently; towards the end of 19[SUP]th[/SUP] Century. Intelligence shows that a militia group trains in Mulungunipa jungle under ex-army captain Omari. This militia is largely made up of Digo young men, all who take oaths, raise funds by crime and donations from sympathizers.

Crisis Group Africa Report No 137, 21/2/2008 reports that MRC militia wing is responsible to recent wave of crime in Mombasa. Their targets were tourists and wealthy Europeans. The report further sheds light on some critical threats on national security and issues including economic sabotage attempts on GOK. According to Crisis Group Africa Report , the MRC militia wing aim is ‘two-fold: to destroy the tourism industry and raise money to buy weapons from Somalia.' This begs the question, ‘Was MRC behind the abductions of tourists in Kenya?'
The possibility of connecting the two is largely dwarfed by the distance between Kwale district and Southern Somali. However, coordinating attacks and collaborating to accomplish such operations require mere logistical and communication support. A link between MRC and Al-Shabaab is not however so farfetched. If their objective is to raise funds and buy arms from Somalia definitely, they have links with Al-Shabaab that has a large cache of weapons for sale.
The MRC focus and operations base is in Mombasa, hence, the possibility of coordinating with Al-Shabaab is high. Al-Shabaab recruits the poor, jobless, and willing to their ranks. Mombasa is ripe with such characters. Poverty, lack of education, drugs, and joblessness are a panacea for militancy. Land militancy backed by a brutal secessionist ethno-political outfit is dangerous and MRC is just that. The land ownership problem is the proxy, militancy is the precipice of MRC, and it should not come as a surprise, they have armed themselves and their little acts in the streets are alibis to keep police and intelligence officers away from the training fields of Mulungunipa.
Recommendations
Addressing the land issues will not suffice rather dismantling the MRC leadership, dismembering its following, and delinking militancy is the resolve. This requires a multi-pronged operation/scheme. Each schema should have a principal objective ‘destroy membership and restore civility.' One prong should stop land militancy, the other solves land issues and resource management in the coast, and the third one should enforce civility in the coast.
Young politicians besides others leaving their plum positions to venture in Mombasa politics should be closely monitored since first time politicians use a horde of schemes to ascend to power. The business community and local leadership particularly community level leadership should be put to task to stop MRC which is a threat to national security. Politicians and their cronies will use all sorts of schemes to win sympathy from their target electorate, particularly the poor ones.
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[Junius]

.... Pili, unaposema Mombasa irudi kwa Zanzibar kama waoman walivyowapa waingereza, je! wataka kufufua Oman Arabs au Sultanate? nawao pia wafufue akina mvita shehe wawarudishia ufalme wao.

.....

Hayo ni madai ya MRC, siyo madai yangu, ambayo wewe umeyafananisha kama yale ya Zanzibar ukimaanisha katika Jamhuri ya Muungano...wenyewe wa Mombasa (MRC) ndiyo wametoa "options" hizo...kama hivyo unavyoeleza ni sawa, ukanda huo wa pwani ya Dar es Salaam wote ulikuwa mali ya Sultan, kabla ya wakoloni...au labda unambie nini kilikuwa "Tanganyika" kabla ya wakoloni kuja?

 

[Percival]

Kura ya maoni ndio dawa.